All motor 240 ideas.

[steve shadows]

Do it on a dyno dynamics.

I'd be really really curious to see how much actual ROAD power under LOAD any of these NA setups short of a crate motor from nismo make.

[INeedNewTires]

Originally Posted by YaItsGotAHemi

well like i said a mid 13 second time will be fun for me. i just want a rwd car to drive and to look nice. My neon is the drag/corner car. on street tires it will hit some 12's and look bone stock... all the way down to the exhuast. the 240 is about the style and i wouldn't mind playing around with drifting. nothing serious cause nothing like that is around wichita, ks.

My setup for now will hopefully be like this:
4.6 gears if i can find them
1.5 or 2 way diff
cam
intake
header back exhaust and a computer tune.

If i feel like that wont cut it i will go with a factory rb20 swap and be good.

Although this thread has alot of very useful information, it has gone to shit..... and to top it all off we're going back and forth with some of the best people on this forum for a dude who wants to dump all his money into his fucking NEON and make it "turbo and corner" and wants his 240 for the "looks"..... WTF guys this thread should have died pages ago.....

[S14SwimShark105]

Originally Posted by racepar1

.Horsepower doesn't make faster lap times, the driver and the suspension do that.

I think you are wrong.Think about what you are saying here. Of course the driver and suspension setup make the car go faster around a track, but to say horsepower doesn't make faster lap times is a complete LIE and a complete ignorant thing to say.

I also drive a stock KA with just intake headers and exhaust and mostly all of the suspension parts so don't think I'm power hungry. And yes I think more horsepower will do me a lot of good and make my lap times go a lot quicker from where I am at now.

This is an awesome thread, I like reading about what people have to say about N/A KA's or LS1 swaps or whatevers. Very interesting and at times very funny haha.

[silpena]

ok i'm going to break the tension here can we all agree on this..... we all like big titties! now back on with the discussion on the ka.

[S14SwimShark105]

well.... actually... YES lol

[racepar1]

Originally Posted by steve shadows

Do it on a dyno dynamics.

I'd be really really curious to see how much actual ROAD power under LOAD any of these NA setups short of a crate motor from nismo make.

I'll hit you up for tuning when I finally get to doing my motor and we shall see (probably next year sometime)!

I'm so sick of arguing about what the better motor is on this thread! That's not the point here guys! The point is how to make more power from the KA! All the turbo, LS1, VQ, etc.... guys posting here should go somewhere else! It doesn't matter what anybody does with a KA none of you will ever care. Those of us that chose to build a KA are not doing it to have the sweetest motor in the world, we are doing it because that is what we want. So what if it costs more money or requires more actual knowledge and skill to do it? The whole point is the knowledge and skill! Sure I could throw an SR in, buy all the bolt on shit, with the right turbo, get it tuned, and have plenty of power. But where's the fun and challenge in that? It is boring and played out. The LS1 or VQ35 are the only engines that I would consider swapping into my car and I would keep both of them N/A and carb approved if at all possible. Unfortuanetly though I have yet to see a well done mount kit for either of those motors, which means making my own. Who cares about a little downtime? I just want it done 100% right the first time and I probably won't even be swapping a motor into my current chasis. I will acquire another s-13 (coupe this time) and build it from the ground-up 100% perfect the first time. I am officially now done with this thread! Nothing I say matters because none of you care and most can't even understand.

[infinitexsound]

some do others shoot the shit.. start your own thread and ask the mods to give u management over it.. ill post there.... kudos... i could throw up some specs and cam profiles to guide u along.. 200hp is cake..

[downshift_sideways]

Originally Posted by racepar1

I'll hit you up for tuning when I finally get to doing my motor and we shall see (probably next year sometime)!

I'm so sick of arguing about what the better motor is on this thread! That's not the point here guys! The point is how to make more power from the KA! All the turbo, LS1, VQ, etc.... guys posting here should go somewhere else! It doesn't matter what anybody does with a KA none of you will ever care. Those of us that chose to build a KA are not doing it to have the sweetest motor in the world, we are doing it because that is what we want. So what if it costs more money or requires more actual knowledge and skill to do it? The whole point is the knowledge and skill! Sure I could throw an SR in, buy all the bolt on shit, with the right turbo, get it tuned, and have plenty of power. But where's the fun and challenge in that? It is boring and played out. The LS1 or VQ35 are the only engines that I would consider swapping into my car and I would keep both of them N/A and carb approved if at all possible. Unfortuanetly though I have yet to see a well done mount kit for either of those motors, which means making my own. Who cares about a little downtime? I just want it done 100% right the first time and I probably won't even be swapping a motor into my current chasis. I will acquire another s-13 (coupe this time) and build it from the ground-up 100% perfect the first time. I am officially now done with this thread! Nothing I say matters because none of you care and most can't even understand.

Agreed...


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[Tulok]

the thread is done, can't wait race par!

[300hp owen]

Originally Posted by racepar1

The LS1 or VQ35 are the only engines that I would consider swapping into my car and I would keep both of them N/A and carb approved if at all possible. Unfortuanetly though I have yet to see a well done mount kit for either of those motors, which means making my own. Who cares about a little downtime? I just want it done 100% right the first time and I probably won't even be swapping a motor into my current chasis. I will acquire another s-13 (coupe this time) and build it from the ground-up 100% perfect the first time. I am officially now done with this thread! Nothing I say matters because none of you care and most can't even understand.

this thread wasnt about you, wasnt about your car or your swap plans. it was about sharing info though and you just take this all too personally.

lol @ your assessment of mount kits for the LS1 and VQ35 being so bad that you'd need to do some sort of complete redesign that might take you some unbelievably long time... rofl

[The ROMAN]

It'd be interesting to see a shootout between the N/A KAs and an N/A SR. Tomei sells a 250hp N/A SR but it's like 13:1 compression and needs race gas IIRC.

[BigVinnie]

Originally Posted by 300hp owen

lol @ your assessment of mount kits for the LS1 and VQ35 being so bad that you'd need to do some sort of complete redesign that might take you some unbelievably long time... rofl

I actually like the smog legal VQ35de swaps. I honestly wouldn't mind spending the $7000 to drop one in my schassis. More torque than a turbo sr or KA, and it's smog legal. Why more people aren't doing this swap beats the hell out of me.
I would rather do the VQ over LS-1 swap because of the gas mileage the VQ's make, you can't beat 26MPG on average, for 260WHP.

[300hp owen]

but uhhhhhh, isnt that the same gas mileage as LS1s? I know my LS1FC was right around 24-28mpg combined driving if I drove it like a normal person and not some rev happy tire shredding maniac (which is easily induced by the swap in the first place, lol). and I had 4.10 gears in the FC too. the LS1 just cruises at such a low rpm on the highway its great, 6th is super tall.
I hear ya,
VQ35de @ 260whp is nice @ $7000.
but,
LS1 @ 300whp is nicer @ $8000. w/ its MEGA TORRRRRQUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[irax]

no

VQ35DE swap is going to run you around $5k and will get anywhere between 240whp to 285whp and will get 35-28 mpg while doing it.

even a VQ35HR from an '07 will run you bewteen 2-3k (just the motorset itself) and all it needs is a tuned ecu and an exhaust and it will produce 300whp

[BigVinnie]

Originally Posted by irax

no

VQ35DE swap is going to run you around $5k and will get anywhere between 240whp to 285whp and will get 35-28 mpg while doing it.

even a VQ35HR from an '07 will run you bewteen 2-3k (just the motorset itself) and all it needs is a tuned ecu and an exhaust and it will produce 300whp

For what a transverse murano, altima, or Maxima engine? Those engines dont even use the same cams.

[BigVinnie]

Originally Posted by 300hp owen

but uhhhhhh, isnt that the same gas mileage as LS1s? I know my LS1FC was right around 24-28mpg combined driving if I drove it like a normal person and not some rev happy tire shredding maniac (which is easily induced by the swap in the first place, lol). and I had 4.10 gears in the FC too. the LS1 just cruises at such a low rpm on the highway its great, 6th is super tall.
I hear ya,
VQ35de @ 260whp is nice @ $7000.
but,
LS1 @ 300whp is nicer @ $8000. w/ its MEGA TORRRRRQUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I could be understating the VQ gasmileage. I know in the new 350z's they make relatively 24~26MPG. Now my murano that uses CVT transmission all wheel drive gets 27~30MPG. You should take into consideration that both of these chassis's are over 600~1000LB.s heavier than an s-chassis. I wouldn't be surprised if a VQ dropped into an s-chassis could get relatively 30MPG. Remember load has alot to do with gas mileage. For me to say that it could make 30MPG in an S-chassis is mearly just assumption, and no one has cared to proven what it's true gasmileage in the s-chassis really is.
From my friends z06 he is getting relatively 22~24MPG freeway.

[CKAMC]

some local kid was trying to convince me that a qr25 swap would work and be ubber cheap

idk

motor has a mixed history just like the vq

[irax]

Originally Posted by BigVinnie

For what a transverse murano, altima, or Maxima engine? Those engines dont even use the same cams.

they don't thats why there is all sorts of power ranges and gas milage ranges.
you can swap out cams from any engine and matched with the right ecu it will make more power, but if your going that far why not just build a vq from the ground up.

My maxima engine produces 265~ wheel hp with just headers and 350z intake.
When my swap is done, if it makes 250whp i will be very happy because a tuned ecu is only $500 that increases hp and mpg and all the little things that I would add on as well like a plenum spacer, intake, and exhaust 275whp doesn't seem like a hurtle at all. Again considering its going through more drive train than fwd. But it will limit you to only intake cam variable lift but if you want to go all out power your better off starting off with a RWD block that has the intake and exhaust phasers anyways.

but for the most part, fwd blocks with ~10k-40k are found as cheap as KA with ~100k miles. The parts needed to convert for use with RWD are easy to find as well and can often be found for cheap since 350z guys buy upgrades and practically throw stock parts away.

If any mod could be as so kind as to cut this VQ talk out of this thread and into its own, I would appreciate it.

[BigVinnie]

Originally Posted by irax

but for the most part, fwd blocks with ~10k-40k are found as cheap as KA with ~100k miles. The parts needed to convert for use with RWD are easy to find as well and can often be found for cheap since 350z guys buy upgrades and practically throw stock parts away.

I've actually seen rebuilt 2003 and 2004 350z VQ's going for cheap, I guess there were oil burning issues in those models so there are an abundance of rebuilt for pretty good prices too.

[irax]

Originally Posted by BigVinnie

I've actually seen rebuilt 2003 and 2004 350z VQ's going for cheap, I guess there were oil burning issues in those models so there are an abundance of rebuilt for pretty good prices too.

the REV-UP VQ's were the ones with oil consumption problems from mid 03 to late 05 to my understanding.

[cdlong]

except the vq35hr wasn't produced until '07.

[KA240SX808]

^Might as well go for the VQ37

[infinitexsound]

what was the oil burning issues in the pre VQ, faulty valve stem seals? that seems like an easy fix? the heads didn't change physically did it, through out the years?

[irax]

Originally Posted by cdlong

except the vq35hr wasn't produced until '07.

REV-UP Vq's were VQ35DE not HR, so as far as we all know the HR is a perfect engine without any faults.

Originally Posted by infinitexsound

what was the oil burning issues in the pre VQ, faulty valve stem seals? that seems like an easy fix? the heads didn't change physically did it, through out the years?

The problem with the REV-UPs was burning oil. But the problem is that the type of owner that would get a rev-up model was more likely to rev the snot out of it off the lot and not do actual brakein period. But there are some rev-ups that reportedly were babied and still had the oil consumption problem. I don't think the heads have changed over the years, the different models might have slightly different specs on the head like the 350z's heads would breath more vs maxima and altima.

[infinitexsound]

wont know till someone flow benches all the heads to really know, which casting is better..... but still each casting from any particular engine isnt always going to be the same...

if the heads didnt physically change... shit... then thats good what signifies a rev up from a reg vq? from my understanding of all the history nissan has done with all their motors... it would probably be cam profiles and the CC chamber...maybe even valvesprings..and size valve.. sometimes the intake and exhaust ports play a role... but thats not hard to deal with since you just need to port the head to what ever size.. that certain head you want to copy.... people have been swapping heads from different model cars for ever.... if it just deals with the head and valve stem seals going out... thats fucken cake...

been searching about the VQ high rev deal... found this on wikipedia

Nissan updated the VQ line for 2007 with the addition of the 3.5 L VQ35HR (for "High Revolution" or "High Response"). It produces 315 PS (311 hp/232 kW) at 6,800 RPM and 36.5 kg·m (358 N·m/264 ft·lbf) at 4,800 RPM, using a compression ratio of 10.6:1. It has NDIS (Nissan Direct Ignition System) and CVTC with hydraulic actuation on the intake cam and electromagnetic on the exhaust cam. Redline is 7,500 RPM. The intake is a high-flow tuned induction system. cams and ... up the CC.. different cam system... sweet..

and was checking out the vq40de nice spec... use the rod and crank.. keep the pistons... would be a nice motor if someone blue printed one..vq40de have hollow cranks what ever that means... since most cranks have oil galleys anyhow...

about the same bore... different stroke...might make alot of power...

[MajorLiquidGaming]

hit up rps13 XD

[shiftdrift]

noob. facepalm. wtf.

[ChemtrailsSR86]

Not sure if it was mentioned but KA's are super easy to convert back to carbies too! I kno, I kno, you either love Carb's or hate them.

[di-devol]

So you bumped a six-month old thread and didn't read it?