Drift entrance techniques/form

[jasoncanseeoh]

Alrighty guys, I'm having trouble clutch kicking my POS.
I'm always successful whenever I use my e-brake, although whenever I clutch kick it's always a 50% chance I'll spin.
I never spin when I use my handbrake.
Clutch kicking is so odd to me for some reason. Unpredictable in a sense.
But like I said, it's always 50/50. Sometimes I can make the turn, other times not.
E-braking, you can control your angle/speed and it's way more smoother.

Anyone else catch my drift? <---- (pun intended. lol.)

Really though, does anyone else feel the same way?
I don't think it's my setup, I think it's just my technique. Idk. Someone wanna shed some light?

Here's what I'm working with:

[chiboy002]

Originally Posted by jasoncanseeoh

Alrighty guys, I'm having trouble clutch kicking my POS.
I'm always successful whenever I use my e-brake, although whenever I clutch kick it's always a 50% chance I'll spin.
I never spin when I use my handbrake.
Clutch kicking is so odd to me for some reason. Unpredictable in a sense.
But like I said, it's always 50/50. Sometimes I can make the turn, other times not.
E-braking, you can control your angle/speed and it's way more smoother.

Anyone else catch my drift? <---- (pun intended. lol.)

Really though, does anyone else feel the same way?
I don't think it's my setup, I think it's just my technique. Idk. Someone wanna shed some light?

Here's what I'm working with:

clutch kicks all depend on your driving style. for me i have to kick like 3-4 times with a oem replacement exedy on a stock ka
although my psi's are moderate, 42 in rear, it still takes a couple kicks

ebrake, well thats a sure fire way unless you have crappy shoes/pads

i do prefer the clutch kick there

[jasoncanseeoh]

Originally Posted by di-devol

The more I kick it, the slower I kick it, more like clutch feathering it I guess

So how do you control your angle when you initiate? Or do you just use the throttle to compensate once you lose traction?

Originally Posted by chiboy002

i do prefer the clutch kick there

You like clutch kicking over e braking? Or only when your e brake sucks?
I wish I could clutch kick.





Thanks for the info so far guys.

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by jasoncanseeoh

Alrighty guys, I'm having trouble clutch kicking my POS.
I'm always successful whenever I use my e-brake, although whenever I clutch kick it's always a 50% chance I'll spin.
I never spin when I use my handbrake.
Clutch kicking is so odd to me for some reason. Unpredictable in a sense.
But like I said, it's always 50/50. Sometimes I can make the turn, other times not.
E-braking, you can control your angle/speed and it's way more smoother.

Anyone else catch my drift? <---- (pun intended. lol.)

Really though, does anyone else feel the same way?
I don't think it's my setup, I think it's just my technique. Idk. Someone wanna shed some light?

Here's what I'm working with:

you are kicking the clutch too late. You are already turning in when you kick the clutch, alowing for a violent oversteer. Try kicking it right as you turn in, but more like a shallow straight line drift. so instead of getting the same angle when you e-brake, try less angle. Not as violent of a turn in. May help.

[Drift N Dragg]

Originally Posted by fckillerbee

you are kicking the clutch too late. You are already turning in when you kick the clutch, alowing for a violent oversteer. Try kicking it right as you turn in, but more like a shallow straight line drift. so instead of getting the same angle when you e-brake, try less angle. Not as violent of a turn in. May help.

Has no clue what he is talking about...

































Just kidding Hammy hammer-son...

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by Drift N Dragg

Has no clue what he is talking about...

































Just kidding Hammy hammer-son...

He is correct. Admins are always right.

[jasoncanseeoh]

Originally Posted by fckillerbee

you are kicking the clutch too late. You are already turning in when you kick the clutch, alowing for a violent oversteer. Try kicking it right as you turn in, but more like a shallow straight line drift. so instead of getting the same angle when you e-brake, try less angle. Not as violent of a turn in. May help.

I came into this thread not knowing what answer I was looking for, but I think this is it! I believe that I am clutch kicking late! I usually wait for the car to start rotating and I think I may be feinting too hard, especially with all the weight my car has.
Thanks for your help.
So should I clutch kick right when I turn the wheel instead?

Anyhow, I think you're right about the less angle thing. I believe I'm expecting too much out of a clutch kick.

[LockOn!]

Originally Posted by jasoncanseeoh

So should I clutch kick right when I turn the wheel instead?

Anyhow, I think you're right about the less angle thing. I believe I'm expecting too much out of a clutch kick.

I clutch kick when I transfer, or right after I drop the Ebrake. When I feint, imagine turning the wheel right and then back left to turn in, I kick right when the wheels are in the middle.

At PGP I use a pretty solid mix of techniques.

For those of you who haven't been here, this is the track, turn 1 is at the top right of the picture. Follow the picture as I outline the track. I'm getting anxious in case you can't tell haha.

http://www.westcoastkarters.com/imag...ial%20view.jpg

Here's a break-down

Turn #s
1. Ride the inside, swing wide, ebrake turn in pin clutch and gas, drop clutch
2. Clutch kick let the car steer itself
3. Depends on power, either just floor it to connect or ebrake in
4. Stay wide on entry, looooong ebrake, clutch kick
5. Pin it then clutch kick on exit and ride the rumble strip / dirt drop to make 6
6. Pin it
7. Clutch kick let the car steer itself
8. Pin it, jump the inside rumble
9. Still pinned
10. Clutch kick
11. Pin it
12. Ebrake to bleed speed
13. Clutch kick
And you pretty much just modulate throttle with appropriate clutchwork where needed till the end from there (little snakey part).

*This is just what I do. Car was SR s13, basic drift suspension stuff.

My point is PGP is a grab bag styles. Don't shy away from using ebrake because you really need it to do some pretty key corners properly. More seat time is all you'll need to figure out the clutch, just remember to try something different every lap until you narrow it down. You have a really unique car so i'm willing to bet it's a little interesting to slide.

[jiggysnitz]

Originally Posted by jasoncanseeoh

I came into this thread not knowing what answer I was looking for, but I think this is it! I believe that I am clutch kicking late! I usually wait for the car to start rotating and I think I may be feinting too hard, especially with all the weight my car has.
Thanks for your help.
So should I clutch kick right when I turn the wheel instead?

Anyhow, I think you're right about the less angle thing. I believe I'm expecting too much out of a clutch kick.

I don't think I have ever seen you spin! Anyways when I clutch kick I turn in and kick at the same time so by the time the clutch is grabbing the car already has a little flick going. I leave the gas pedal down till I am almost at the angle I want and then back way off the trottle so the rear can grip. If you feel like you are going to spin just let of the gas and put the clutch in all the way so the rear wheels can spin freely and gain some more traction. This seems to work really well at PGP because the track is so grippy