Kia unveils Sexual Chocolate Concept (RWD Sedan)

[!Zar!]

Originally Posted by simmode1

And actually, Inifinti has jumped into F1 this year, backing team RedBull. Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes and Renault are still hanging in there too.

Renault owns Nissan which owns Infinity, either way, Redbull Renault is still a privateer company, unlike the real factory teams. There is no More Team Renault, it is Group Lotus Renault or something...

Scuderia Ferrari, Team Lotus, and Mercedes GP are the only hardcore factory teams.

Not arguing, just getting anal.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Okay Rick James.



Do you even know what your own point is? One minute the GC is not the new 240sx cause it's two heavy, but no that wasn't your point, your point was you can get a 8 year old 350Z for $10,000... then wait, no buying new cars is stupid cause you lose value... make up your fucking mind and stop being a coke-head cause you hate Hyundai.

And just so you can sleep at night, I can easily afford a GC, but I have no desire too. I have a healthy record of hating on the car extensively for Hyundai's oversights ranging from styling, power train and interior quality. Why would I spend $25,000 on a car that needs $10,000 in work to by on par (IMO) with my 350Z?


Then again that sounds exactly like a 240sx, needing $10,000 in work to be on par with anything of interest. Go back to selling shit urethane mounts for $100.

And once again the man results to personal insults and attacks.

You fail and fail hard Corbic. I made 3 separate and valid points that were all equally valid.


Can't get your head around someone being able to formulate more than one thought and point at a time?

Oh and my mounts are not shit people use them and love them. I would not have sold as many as I have if not.

They are used on track cars, all the time. Let me know when you come up with a product that is actually used in racing.


Oh and why the fuck are you even bringing them up. They have absolutely nothing to do with this thread.

Can't make a valid point, trying to sling mud about something you know nothing about because you already have lost the debate?

Oh and if you hate the car so much why are on the defensive so much in this thread? You contradict yourself.




If you can't debate without resulting to personal insults then you should just shut the fuck up.

Originally Posted by ZilviaKid

im on team corbic, he actually seems like the only person who isnt an idiot on this page.

you just cant compare new and used cars

Wow you just don't get it. Let me spell it out for you. A new car is only a new car till you drive it off the lot. Immediately it lose 30% of its value in depreciation. hmmm lets do the math.

25k for your Genesis - 30% that means once your brand new car gets off the lot its worth 19k . That is not including how you are paying in monthly loan and interest charges.


Hmm buy a lightly used 370Z for 19k no depreciation value as its already gone. That means you are in a much better value position. If you have to take a loan? You are taking a smaller loan so you are paying less there as well.

Buying a new car is technically a losing proposition.

Originally Posted by exitspeed

I wish there were more healthy debates about CARS on here like there used to be. The lack of these types of threads is the reason I have stopped posting for the most part.

Keep it up.

Dave, while they don't have a heritage in racing (and this concept isn't about a race car or trying to prove themselves in that field), what they are doing is being bold when others are being timid.

It's certainly not reasonable to think people's opinion's of Kia/Hyundai to change in just a few short years. However they are headed in the right direction...forward (sorry Toyota). And that is admirable in my book.

10 years from now if they keep up the pace a lot of those stigmas attached to their quality, styling, etc etc will be gone.

Mel again I am not faulting them for trying. I just feel any company trying to build a Sports Car and making a name with that car, should be taking it racing.

I am aware some here cannot fathom reasons for racing. But is indeed where manufacturers get ideas about how to make things better. How to try out stuff that might just make it into their production vehicles.

Its quite beneficial to the manufacturer. Hence why so many manufacturers have done it for so long.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by !Zar!

Renault owns Nissan which owns Infinity, either way, Redbull Renault is still a privateer company, unlike the real factory teams. There is no More Team Renault, it is Group Lotus Renault or something...

Scuderia Ferrari, Team Lotus, and Mercedes GP are the only hardcore factory teams.

Not arguing, just getting anal.

Renault does not OWN Nissan. It is a partnership. There is a difference. GM owned Hummer. Renault does not own Nissan.

[Antihero983]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Buying any car is technically a losing proposition.

Fixed.

This thread is amusing as hell by the way.

[K_style]

It's time for Hyundai/Kia to consider making factory issue performance parts (i.e Nismo,TRD, etc). Hoping them to joining racing world as a factory team is way too early. I don't even think racing atmosphere is nothing like back in 60's ~ 80's anyways.
And Yes, it is very late if you compare Hyundai/Kia to other auto makers. But I do wish positive progress in the future.

[axiomatik]

This thread has really gotten off on a tangent. What does Formula 1 or WRC have to do with building 4-door luxury/near-luxury sedans?

[mrflip69]

Originally Posted by EsChassisLove

You're all a bunch of broke Dicks that shouldn't be talking about anything over a few hundred bucks let alone a kia/Hyundai that's overall better that your dank ass half assed rides.

Best post!

Just like the Toyobaru and the GC, this is another car that nobody on this board will buy. Who the fuck has actually bought a Genesis, despite how they seem to be the S-chassis replacement you guys have been waiting for?

I'll agree that the 350z seems to be the s-chassis follow up. Look at all ratty drifter mobiles out there! Only thing its missing is a 2+2 config.

Originally Posted by axiomatik

This thread has really gotten off on a tangent. What does Formula 1 or WRC have to do with building 4-door luxury/near-luxury sedans?

Has to do with heritage. Hyundai/Kia marketing "sports cars" or rather sporty coupes, have yet to prove themselves in the real world. Genesis still seems like an updated Tiburon to me lol..

Yeah, the 240sx was a sporty coupe too, but its proved itself as a very capable platform for legit grassroots racing (SCCA/ITA/ITS in NA... that's with the KA too! Don't even get started on the CA/SR models). Those of you that know NRR, nuff said.

Funny to criticize the car as a death trap. Tin can it most certainly is, but we've all seen the crash pics here, and the abuse they've taken while drifting. Airbags, abs, and traction control make everyone a better driver?

Why don't more people pick up used Lotus Elises or Miatas? 4-banger, light weight, relatively cheap?

I hope the 370z doesn't go the way of the 350z. Looks more in tune with the s2k crowd.. (enthusiast)

[besTint]

Originally Posted by Matej

To me, all of Kia's cars look like way-too-obvious knockoffs of other automakers' signature styling.
This specific one being Aston Martin.

Not that I would not drive it.

Well it comes with their designers I guess. They have lead designers from audi and bmw in their pocket.

[superbike81]

What many S-chassis owners on this site don't seem to understand, is even the new base model 2.0T GC bone stock would win in an overall performance test against their cars, even the SR swapped ones.

A well-prepped, well-built, and well-set up S chassis can perform very well, but 98% of the cars on this website are not setup well and would lose to the "overweight" GC in a magazine style performance shootout by large margin.

Disliking the company or the aesthetics of the car is one thing, but some of you are acting like your ragged - out S-chassis is on a whole different level of performance. With a new car like the GC you do have to spend more, and there is no doubt in my mind that you can build a faster S-chassis for less money, but you don't get all the advances is chassis/engine/suspension/safety technology and are left with very few of the modern creature comforts and reliability of owning a nenewer car. It's not everyone's cup of tea, but stop acting like most of the cars on this website are overall better than these new "overweight" and "slow" cars.


Oh and on topic, Kia is blatantly copying, but as long as they make a decent product, I dont think it matters. It's hard to be original and good looking at the same time.

[revat619]

i dont care about 240sx. they're shit cars anyways. I don't even like the one i drive. lol My point was that this design wasn't original and that hailing it as such was stupid. It's not that i dislike the car or Kia. It's a neat looking car and if given the opportunity, i would totally drive one. But sitting up here and telling us that this isn't an obvious ripoff is insulting to my intelligence. Kia is taking styling cues from other more expensive automakers and packaging them for a fraction of the price and making bank. Good for them. If you wanna rant and rave about how awesome kia/hyundai is, be my guest. But again, just dont tell me Kia's stuff is all THAT original.

Off topic, but as far as comparisons are concerned a used 370z is TOTALLY a better buy than a brand new Genesis Coupe. If you can't figure that one out, well then sir, we are done here.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by revat619

My point was that this design wasn't original and that hailing it as such was stupid. It's not that i dislike the car or Kia. It's a neat looking car and if given the opportunity, i would totally drive one. But sitting up here and telling us that this isn't an obvious ripoff is insulting to my intelligence. .

You realize that is just your opinion though and not matter of fact, right. The over-all shape may be derivative, just as the Panamara, and Rapide, and A7 are derivative of the CLS, but the details and the design language is completely original.

There's no amount of debate that will stop me from thinking that car is dead sexy and there's no amount of debate that will make you think the car is a rip-off. But that's why there's so many cars to choose from.

[superbike81]

Originally Posted by revat619

Off topic, but as far as comparisons are concerned a used 370z is TOTALLY a better buy than a brand new Genesis Coupe. If you can't figure that one out, well then sir, we are done here.

Comparing used vs new is stupid, stop it.

A used 996 Turbo is a TOTALLY better buy than a new 370z.

See? Stupid.

[exitspeed]

Let's not also forget that this is going to be based on a second Gen Genesis sedan. A car that won numerous COTY awards around the globe. Honestly, I can see this being my next new car purchase.

[FaLKoN240]

Why the fuck are we comparing 370Z and Genesis coupe, New vs. Old?

I'm pretty sure you can buy both of those NEW today. The 370z is more expensive, sure, but you get what you pay for. It's got 30 more hp and is a Nissan... whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean now a days.

[WanganRunner]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Wow you just don't get it. Let me spell it out for you. A new car is only a new car till you drive it off the lot. Immediately it lose 30% of its value in depreciation. hmmm lets do the math.

25k for your Genesis - 30% that means once your brand new car gets off the lot its worth 19k . That is not including how you are paying in monthly loan and interest charges.


Hmm buy a lightly used 370Z for 19k no depreciation value as its already gone. That means you are in a much better value position. If you have to take a loan? You are taking a smaller loan so you are paying less there as well.

Buying a new car is technically a losing proposition.

This is a lot of generalization.

That 30% business is an average, not applicable to every car. Some cars plummet in value off the lot, and some don't lose any value at all. My '04 WRX only lost about $1k in value after 8 months and 10,000 miles. Some brands drop like a stone on day 1.

Also, given the difference in interest rates between new car loans and used, you might actually be doing BETTER all-in to buy a new $25k Genny rather than a used $19k 370Z. Lots of new cars have 0% deals right now, which you're never going to get on anything used.


You're right in plenty of cases, but you're also wrong in plenty of cases. None of that information about new cars and depreciation and new vs used can be applied across the board, like most things it's application-specific.

[FaLKoN240]

I think a car needs to be out for a little while to figure out depreciation.

For some reason WRXs have crazy resale value, while 350z has shit resale value. But 370Z has a good resale value...?

[VROOOM]

used car values are very very high right now. since the Japanese car companies are having inventory troubles from the earthquake and because of the economy not many people bought cars in 2008/2009 so there arent very many used cars from those years available.

[revcyanide]

lol everyone saying kia/ hyundai is not involved in motorsports obviously does not follow motorsports.

no they do not have an f1 team, who cares?


Kia Racing Takes Second Victory At Road America, Tops Driver Standings | AutoGuide.com News
granted these are redbull cars, but hyundai is still a HUGE sponser.
PM580 did pretty well at pikes peak.




rallyX volester




not to mention rhys millens drift car.












so no, not 100% backed factory teams, but they are still showing up as a large sponser in motorsports, which is a more econmically smart way of doing it anyway.

[axiomatik]

Hyundai also competed in WRC from 2000-2003.

[revat619]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

You realize that is just your opinion though and not matter of fact, right. The over-all shape may be derivative, just as the Panamara, and Rapide, and A7 are derivative of the CLS, but the details and the design language is completely original.

There's no amount of debate that will stop me from thinking that car is dead sexy and there's no amount of debate that will make you think the car is a rip-off. But that's why there's so many cars to choose from.

Derivative, but original design language.....in other words we took the idea and tweaked it. OK. Whatever. and dude pay attention, i NEVER said it was bad looking car. I've said it's cool looking several times, but somehow that keeps getting over looked because i'm not going ape shit over the design. Again, whatever.

Originally Posted by superbike81

Comparing used vs new is stupid, stop it.

A used 996 Turbo is a TOTALLY better buy than a new 370z.

See? Stupid.

I'm talking comparisons as far as cars in the same class that are in direct competition with each other are concerned. And when i say used i mean as in like a year old. Yeah, what YOU compared IS stupid.

[VROOOM]

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by mrflip69

Genesis still seems like an updated Tiburon to me lol..

WTF... Are you serious?

[WanganRunner]

Originally Posted by revcyanide

lol everyone saying kia/ hyundai is not involved in motorsports obviously does not follow motorsports.

no they do not have an f1 team, who cares?

^^
This.

And F1 translates the *least* to road cars of really any sort of motorsport.

Hyundai/Kia is competing where it matters most for sports car development, although I'd like to see a WRC factory team. It would also be interesting to see them campaign Genesis Coupes in SGT GT300.

[revcyanide]

I mean i like the car, i am not drooling over it, i probaly wont buy one, but i LOVE the fact that someone is reviving cheap rwd sports cars.

I just find it hilarious when people argue shit they havent researched at all.

[!Zar!]

[irax]

8 months later... any updates on this car ?

[kingkilburn]

Wow.

drift freaq - Still a high and mighty fanboi that can't have a simple conversation without escalating to insults.

What if we judged Italian cars by their build quality 25 years ago? How about GM and Chrysler a decade ago? Should car buyers look at the Evo 8 as the standard for all of Mitsubishi?


You have to understand that most auto racing isn't anything like it was up to the mid 90's. When the Z and 510 were big in racing they were nearly show room stock. Racing like that does prove the quality and speed of a car. Do you really think the GT1 GTR running essentially an Indycar engine has any bearing on a single Nissan product you will buy at your local dealer? And what does any of this have to do with a fucking four door low end luxury car?



If you really want to have debates with people on a civilized level I suggest you drop your superior attitude and stop insulting every person you talk to.





On a side note. Where would a factory backed GC race? It's too small for GT racing. A Korean spec series would be cool and it would feed some Korean teams and drivers into the larger racing community.
/threadjackjack

[DRIFTER-M]

Originally Posted by mrflip69

Best post!

Just like the Toyobaru and the GC, this is another car that nobody on this board will buy. Who the fuck has actually bought a Genesis, despite how they seem to be the S-chassis replacement you guys have been waiting for?

I'll agree that the 350z seems to be the s-chassis follow up. Look at all ratty drifter mobiles out there! Only thing its missing is a 2+2 config.



Has to do with heritage. Hyundai/Kia marketing "sports cars" or rather sporty coupes, have yet to prove themselves in the real world. Genesis still seems like an updated Tiburon to me lol..

Yeah, the 240sx was a sporty coupe too, but its proved itself as a very capable platform for legit grassroots racing (SCCA/ITA/ITS in NA... that's with the KA too! Don't even get started on the CA/SR models). Those of you that know NRR, nuff said.

Funny to criticize the car as a death trap. Tin can it most certainly is, but we've all seen the crash pics here, and the abuse they've taken while drifting. Airbags, abs, and traction control make everyone a better driver?

Why don't more people pick up used Lotus Elises or Miatas? 4-banger, light weight, relatively cheap?

I hope the 370z doesn't go the way of the 350z. Looks more in tune with the s2k crowd.. (enthusiast)

Actually, I owned a brand new 2011 Genesis back when the 11's were new. And still had my s chassis.

People on this site will buy new cars.

I have since sold my Gen, bringing me to my next point/quote...

Originally Posted by WanganRunner

This is a lot of generalization.

That 30% business is an average, not applicable to every car. Some cars plummet in value off the lot, and some don't lose any value at all. My '04 WRX only lost about $1k in value after 8 months and 10,000 miles. Some brands drop like a stone on day 1.

Also, given the difference in interest rates between new car loans and used, you might actually be doing BETTER all-in to buy a new $25k Genny rather than a used $19k 370Z. Lots of new cars have 0% deals right now, which you're never going to get on anything used.


You're right in plenty of cases, but you're also wrong in plenty of cases. None of that information about new cars and depreciation and new vs used can be applied across the board, like most things it's application-specific.

Actually, I can chime in on this. I sold my 2011 Genesis about a month ago to a dealership - I got 500 dollars over my loan. So, in a way - I made $.

Granted, that didn't include the 2,xxx dollars I got for my old daily 4 door boat of a car on trade in.

But still...

Not bad, eh?

*And for everybody that does this new bandwagon "S-CHASSIS are blah this, blah that" crap, I sold my Gen because I missed driving my s14. Though I bought the Gen because to me, it drove more like an S-Chassis than any other new car I test drove, it still wasn't an S-Chassis.

S-Chassis Love for Life! <3