60mm Extended Studs, Spacer & Coilover question

[zooopreme]

Originally Posted by Breitling

What about BC and Ksport? yay or nay?

Nay and nay.

Since you really want to run extended brackets, Megan is the only company that offers them and fits your budget.

They completely suck but hey, you get what you pay for. And to answer your initial question 60mm allows for a 2.5-2.75" safe range for spacers. That 3" range is a little sketchy.

My suggestion would be to get your wheels done with less offset.

[Breitling]

Originally Posted by zooopreme

And to answer your initial question 60mm allows for a 2.5-2.75" safe range for spacers. That 3" range is a little sketchy.

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I dont understand what this means (the numerics).

Thanks in advance for your explanation.


BTW, i might as well just rebarrel the wheels.

[zooopreme]

Originally Posted by Breitling

I dont understand what this means (the numerics).

Thanks in advance for your explanation.


BTW, i might as well just rebarrel the wheels.

60mm is about 2.36", I misinformed you in my initial post. My fault.

17mm to inches is about 0.66".

2.36" is not the widest spacer that you can run, that about how much room you'll have to work with. Your range should be shorter than the 60mm studs themselves for that structural piece of mind.

I would say 1.75"-2.25" range so ~44 mm to ~57MM.

[GuardianLlama]

Originally Posted by zooopreme

60mm is about 2.36", I misinformed you in my initial post. My fault.

17mm to inches is about 0.66".

2.36" is not the widest spacer that you can run, that about how much room you'll have to work with. Your range should be shorter than the 60mm studs themselves for that structural piece of mind.

I would say 1.75"-2.25" range so ~44 mm to ~57MM.

If you ran a 57mm worth of spacing, how would you mount the wheel? 3mm of threads?

[zooopreme]

Originally Posted by GuardianLlama

If you ran a 57mm worth of spacing, how would you mount the wheel? 3mm of threads?

Oh I wasn't under the impression that we were talking about sketchy ass slip on spacers. I was referring to the safer ones that bolt on.

[GuardianLlama]

Originally Posted by zooopreme

Oh I wasn't under the impression that we were talking about sketchy ass slip on spacers. I was referring to the safer ones that bolt on.

He'll be trimming studs if he uses bolt ons. Unless the wheel mounting location has clearence for additional studs.

[zooopreme]

Originally Posted by GuardianLlama

He'll be trimming studs if he uses bolt ons. Unless the wheel mounting location has clearence for additional studs.

Am I missing something here?

I (along with another person) suggested getting the wheels fixed in terms of offset. Running huge ass spacers is stupid. He asked for sizes in his original post so I provided with that anyway.

Anybody with common sense would not run spacers that big.

[Breitling]

So, are my 17mm hubcentric slip on spacers no safe? I though as long as they are hubcentric I should be fine. Am I wrong?

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Breitling

Thanks for the insight about PBM.

I do have real wheels (3piece and all). Is 25mm dangerous because of the lack of threads for the lug nuts to grab on to? Or is it dangerous because of the extra stress it would put on the geometry?

its not dangerous for the rigors of daily driving. track with 350+ hp/tq then maybe.
but im running pbm coils and i had the same issue with 16x8.5 ... its bc you need a lower offset on your rim.. or a 25mm bolt on spacer. they are safe as long as they are not "slip ons" and torque them to about 80-85 ft-lbs. then about 75-80 for the rim studs or what ever you normally do.. thats how ive been running but im slammed on the powered by max coils and with a 38mm hub-centric ichiba spacer... and shitty budget enkei rims... good rims bad rims/safe dangerous.. blah blah. its not like widening the track of your tires with a mostly stock suspension arm set up as well as lack of race stiffness despite having coils,, will make a noticeable if at all dangerous set up. in other words the more suspension mods you have and the lower and stiffer you are the more dramatic the effects of your geometrical changes will be noticed. and easily dialed in. but always beware of pot holes and debris as the impact may lead to failure of any sort not limited to spacer strength.

[iLOVEASIANGIRLSS]

HEY guys, so i installed my STANCE GR+ a few weeks back and i am having trouble to figure out how to adjust the stiffness and or dampning. i searched on google and it didnt come up with any stance threads, thanks in advance

[shoguner]

Originally Posted by Breitling

my car is an s14....

Doesn't matter. All the mounting points are the same. BUT you will either have to drill your knuckles to accept the s14 balljoint OR press out the s14 ones and put new s13 ball joints in.

Originally Posted by fckillerbee

Get lips re-done. Go less of an offset with same wheel. running 10's. Go with something like a +10 offset. It will move the wheel away from the coilover.

Spacers do exactly what lower offset wheels do...they move the wheel farther away from the coil. You are trying to do too much, and it's really simple.

QFT Seriously. you don't need a 10" wide wheel upfront. Get the front re rebarreled for cheaper than doing new coilovers.

[Breitling]

I need new coilovers regardless

[zooopreme]

Originally Posted by Breitling

So, are my 17mm hubcentric slip on spacers no safe? I though as long as they are hubcentric I should be fine. Am I wrong?

With 60mm extended studs, you're fine. Having 57mm spacers that were slip on...now that's a different story.

[Breitling]

Okay, I went and test-fitted a wheel with a 5.5 inch inner barrel instead of 6 inch inner barrel. STILL USING THE 17MM SPACER.

Effectively this would be an 18x9.5 +13 (+30.... but utilizing the 17mm hubcentric spacer.







Should I do 18x9.5 +30 and continue to use the 17mm hubcentric slip-on spacer....

OR

Should I do 18x9 +24 and use no spacer....

[zooopreme]

Originally Posted by Breitling

Should I do 18x9.5 +30 and continue to use the 17mm hubcentric slip-on spacer....

OR

Should I do 18x9 +24 and use no spacer....

That's entirely up to you. Do you want to do it the right way or the easy way?

[Breitling]

Well, i want to retain some wheel width by not having to go down to an 18x9 (the easy way?) but i also want to be good and safe (the right way).

[CleanAndLegit]

18x9 up front is perfect anything bigger is either for nothing or nothing, buy a bolt on get new studs problem solved its not hard to figure out something so easy as this.

[CamryOnBronze]

This tire rack article lists the minimum threads of engagement that are safe for a number of different lug thread pitches:

Wheel Tech - Wheel Lug Torquing

As long as your specific lug thread pitch has the specified minimum number of turns or more, I think it would be considered safe.

[ericcastro]

take your extended studs off,
put regualr studs in,
buy bolt on spaces.
i run 38mm in the front, 50 mm in the rear.
done and done.

[Boorito]

Originally Posted by zooopreme

That's entirely up to you. Do you want to do it the right way or the easy way?

I really like this quote.

[Breitling]

Originally Posted by ericcastro

take your extended studs off,
put regualr studs in,
buy bolt on spaces.
i run 38mm in the front, 50 mm in the rear.
done and done.

are you stating that bolt on spacers are more safe than hubcentric slip ons?

[Breitling]

Originally Posted by CleanAndLegit

18x9 up front is perfect anything bigger is either for nothing or nothing, buy a bolt on get new studs problem solved its not hard to figure out something so easy as this.

i'd like to be 9.5 or 10 up front.

[ericcastro]

Originally Posted by Breitling

are you stating that bolt on spacers are more safe than hubcentric slip ons?

When you do a bolt on, you still get all the thread of the lug.

If you start putting spacers on you start to get to the point where the lug cant get all its threads connected.

So if you are gonna start stacking spacers, then I would say it was safer.

Whats the tire look like on the fender side?
IF there is room to push it out an inch and be flush, then i would say spend under $180 on a set of 4 bolt ons and be done with it.

Or spend over $1000 on new coil overs to fit rims that prolly arent worth that much anyways.


And as far as bolt ons and slip ons as a general question. bolt ons of course, they are bolted on, slip ons are just pinched between two parts. I actually dont like the idea of slip ons at all.

[Breitling]

I will address a couple of points.

Originally Posted by ericcastro

If you start putting spacers on you start to get to the point where the lug cant get all its threads connected.

I got 60mm studs (18mm longer than stock, then put on 17mm spacers in order ot be the same length as stock plus 1 mm of thread)

Whats the tire look like on the fender side?
IF there is room to push it out an inch and be flush, then i would say spend under $180 on a set of 4 bolt ons and be done with it.

looks like this

Or spend over $1000 on new coil overs to fit

Its not an "OR" Situation, my KEi Office are blown.

rims that prolly arent worth that much anyways.
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Wrong

Fabulous Profounds....



These are just the rears. Fronts only have 4 inch lip instead of 6

[ericcastro]

Well if you are buying new coils anyways, I would go to the fitment thread and see if you can find your rims sizes and see what coils they run.

Are you gonna be drifting or time attack/scca with the rims, or just daily driving.

If you can get away with spacers cause its a nice daily, then i wouldnt worry so hard, as long as you get a coil over thats close.

I would think you could call some of the vendors and ask them the size from the bolt whole to the cylinder?

[Breitling]

Those wheels will be to fuck around town with. The car will be driven at SCCA and HPDE events and the occasional drift practice. But, i will use different wheels for that where I wouldn't have to use the spacers.....

I will have to see what coilovers have the MAX clearance (without going Megan racing plus extended brackets). I will ask in the Wheel fitment Q thread.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Originally Posted by Breitling

So, are my 17mm hubcentric slip on spacers no safe? I though as long as they are hubcentric I should be fine. Am I wrong?

Like I said, I'm running 20mm stacks up front on some 18x10 +22 Equips with Dunlop Star Specs...tracked the living shit of my last two cars using the same hubs. Never had any issue.



Personally, Id rather run stacks than bolt on spacers. I've had bolt ons that the lugs would get loose for some reason, everytime I took my wheels off, I'd have to check the torque on the spacers and they're loose. I've never had issues with my lugs coming loose with slip ons.