2012 Presidential Election Thread! Let's kick it off early!

[Highway Riding]

Originally Posted by evolvednissan

Romney for president.

+1 In the end Obama didn't utter one word on how he will CHANGE the economy for the better and I think that one brave sole who asked openly why should I vote for you when I'm not that optimistic shows the disconnect to the average american. Did anyone notice the firm and condescending tone he took with that gentleman? Does anyone think his generic answer spoke to that individual. At this point any real voter will not be swayed by these debates. For America's sake i just hope the man who wants to work harder without a hidden agenda will win. Because hidden agenda's are the reason there is a stalemate in congress. And when people utter the word flip flop and Romney - I think compromise. When it comes down to it those gunning for Romney just want to see the economy actually rebound and not some left wing poll which says so. We want to see real American and families spending more, saving more and not as politically divided as they are now!

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Originally Posted by Highway Riding

+1 In the end Obama didn't utter one word on how he will CHANGE the economy for the better and I think that one brave sole who asked openly why should I vote for you when I'm not that optimistic shows the disconnect to the average american. Did anyone notice the firm and condescending tone he took with that gentleman? Does anyone think his generic answer spoke to that individual. At this point any real voter will not be swayed by these debates. For America's sake i just hope the man who wants to work harder without a hidden agenda will win. Because hidden agenda's are the reason there is a stalemate in congress. And when people utter the word flip flop and Romney - I think compromise. When it comes down to it those gunning for Romney just want to see the economy actually rebound and not some left wing poll which says so. We want to see real American and families spending more, saving more and not as politically divided as they are now!

I disagree with many aspects of Obamas jobs bill but it does exist, he did mention it in his answer and its just willfull ignorance on your part to say he didn't.

The American Jobs Act — President Barack Obama's Jobs Plan

[gbaby2089]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Do tell...

I think we are all aware of the fact there are wealthy costal cities across the continent, but I'm curious to what modern wonder Africa was before the colonial age in the 18th century.

Well let us think about what the colonial powers did in the middle east/Africa:
-Sold people
-Put ethnic minorities in power and/or created false racial/ethnic boundaries in place (Hutu/Tutsi in Rwanda come to mind)
-Put political boundaries in place without thinking about the consequences
-Wouldn't leave the continent without bloodshed or destroying the infrastructure in place
-Did things without consulting locals/people who knew anything about the reason, I forget what country this was in (iirc it was a British colony) the colonial ruler tried to plant ground nuts and the environment was wrong for them in every way and once fertile lands were ruined within five or so years.

Originally Posted by Highway Riding

+1 In the end Obama didn't utter one word on how he will CHANGE the economy for the better and I think that one brave sole who asked openly why should I vote for you when I'm not that optimistic shows the disconnect to the average american. Did anyone notice the firm and condescending tone he took with that gentleman? Does anyone think his generic answer spoke to that individual. At this point any real voter will not be swayed by these debates. For America's sake i just hope the man who wants to work harder without a hidden agenda will win. Because hidden agenda's are the reason there is a stalemate in congress. And when people utter the word flip flop and Romney - I think compromise. When it comes down to it those gunning for Romney just want to see the economy actually rebound and not some left wing poll which says so. We want to see real American and families spending more, saving more and not as politically divided as they are now!

Do you really think the President can change the economy? This isn't Belarus, as much as conservatives want to talk about the communization/socialization of the economy, the economy is still wide open compared to many states. The gov't doesn't have control, ask any economist, any real economist it doesn't matter if you invest $1T or $1, a free market economy is a free market economy.

[Highway Riding]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Do you really think the President can change the economy?

When Romney utters the word rates and an end to capital gains I say yes then as President Mitt would be able to turn around the economy rather quickly. The day he takes office all the uncertainty will end as to where America is headed. I would imagine the mkts would react positively as well as in the current state the mkts are stuck with investors sitting on they're hands. I understand it is hard for some to grasp how important consumer confidence is to a growing economy but the fact of the matter is that continuing with the current policies will contribute to the current stalemate and as a result a worse economic situation that we are in now. Sure healthcare is great but no one is jumping for joy. Tackling healthcare when the money flow has dried up was bad 4 years ago and is bad now. Especially since the POTUS made no mention of a change in the employment sector which would show a move in the right direction. Romney's latest tax plan is pretty bold!

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Originally Posted by Highway Riding

When Romney utters the word rates and an end to capital gains I say yes then as President Mitt would be able to turn around the economy rather quickly. The day he takes office all the uncertainty will end as to where America is headed. I would imagine the mkts would react positively as well as in the current state the mkts are stuck with investors sitting on they're hands. I understand it is hard for some to grasp how important consumer confidence is to a growing economy but the fact of the matter is that continuing with the current policies will contribute to the current stalemate and as a result a worse economic situation that we are in now. Sure healthcare is great but no one is jumping for joy. Tackling healthcare when the money flow has dried up was bad 4 years ago and is bad now. Especially since the POTUS made no mention of a change in the employment sector which would show a move in the right direction. Romney's latest tax plan is pretty bold!

So the stock market is the ideal indicator of the economy?