WA Thinking about buying a Skyline? READ THIS THREAD FIRST!!!

[two40z]

man its so damn difficult to even buy a skyline and even more difficult to sell one, it seems like. OP glws!

[garagespec]

Originally Posted by MC.Understeer

Clearly you cannot read and have went onto a new subject of your own. Read a little better. I have my Federal paperwork all lined up for the person that's buying the car. Anything you're saying is meaningless.

Haha.

You're arguing with the wrong dude. And someone will still buy it even if its grey especially for your asking price.

[Knuckshaft]

Actually it's not meaning less. Federal law is federal law. Only r32s with bond releases are motorex. Pretty simple actually. I guess you didn't get the part where I said I'm VERY interested in the car. If you do have the federal paperwork at least email or pm me photos of it. I have not seen a fed legal r32 sell that cheap. And if it is legit I want it. I'm not flying all the way up to Washington to look at the paperwork, and find out its bogus. If I buy, I plan on driving this thing home back to Texas. Prove its legit so we can make this happen.

[thedr1ftkid]

i think his point was to shut the fuck up and get out of his thread.

PNW bump, sweet r32

[drscooper]

glws man everyone is blowing up this thread

[maxmumboom]

Originally Posted by MC.Understeer

I could spend the day quoting things on the internet but as I pointed out already I don't need to prove anything about the car to anyone other than the buyer. I have all my paperwork for what ive stated I have for sale. So I don't care who you are on the internet.

I call bullshit. Show proof the hs-7 document, you bond release from the Nhtsa, your vin, what company did such conversion and when?

If its just a state titled car thats fine. To misrepresent it as anything else is wrong. I pmed about this. Im all for people owning these, but to misrepresent something isnt right
As for prices, motorex cars have gone between $20-80k. A 96-98 jk tech r33 is close to $100k and theres plenty of documention on it.

Op where is your documentation to support your claim?
Ill pay double of your asking price once it release is confirmed.

[MC.Understeer]

state

Originally Posted by maxmumboom

I call bullshit. Show proof the hs-7 document, you bond release from the Nhtsa, your vin, what company did such conversion and when?

If its just a state titled car thats fine. To misrepresent it as anything else is wrong. I pmed about this. Im all for people owning these, but to misrepresent something isnt right
As for prices, motorex cars have gone between $20-80k. A 96-98 jk tech r33 is close to $100k and theres plenty of documention on it.

Op where is your documentation to support your claim?
Ill pay double of your asking price once it release is confirmed.

You guys are the only ones misrepresenting anything. I never said I had it state titled or
Bond released. I said it was federally approved and imported legally and 100% meets dot regulations with a registered Canadian vin. I know the difference, clearly its you guys that can't read and assuming its state registered and titled.

[ryandh]

Originally Posted by maxmumboom

I call bullshit. Show proof the hs-7 document, you bond release from the Nhtsa, your vin, what company did such conversion and when?

If its just a state titled car thats fine. To misrepresent it as anything else is wrong. I pmed about this. Im all for people owning these, but to misrepresent something isnt right
As for prices, motorex cars have gone between $20-80k. A 96-98 jk tech r33 is close to $100k and theres plenty of documention on it.

Op where is your documentation to support your claim?
Ill pay double of your asking price once it release is confirmed.

I'd pay double too john.

to OP: It's not bond released, and it's not federally legal. You and I know both know it. whether or not you have sold skylines before is beside the point. You managed to slip between the cracks, which is fine...But don't misrepresent the car as federally legal. If it is federal, you would have no issue posting the bond release, but you won't. It's an awesome car, and I hope you sell it, but it's just not fed legal, so don't say it is. There is nothing wrong with having a state legal/titled car.

[ryandh]

Originally Posted by MC.Understeer

state


You guys are the only ones misrepresenting anything. I never said I had it state titled or
Bond released. I said it was federally approved and imported legally and 100% meets dot regulations with a registered Canadian vin. I know the difference, clearly its you guys that can't read and assuming its state registered and titled.

you won't have an issue selling at this price.... But your statement is just wrong. good luck, I'll leave it at that.

[MC.Understeer]

Originally Posted by ryandh

you won't have an issue selling at this price.... But your statement is just wrong. good luck, I'll leave it at that.

No you retards are just reading what you want to hear. In order to get this car in the states legally it has to be approved by the feds. Which is what I did and have all the paperwork with the federal goverment stamped approval. Once again you guys keep saying state titled and I never said it was.

[ryandh]

Originally Posted by MC.Understeer

No you retards are just reading what you want to hear. In order to get this car in the states legally it has to be approved by the feds. Which is what I did and have all the paperwork with the federal goverment stamped approval. Once again you guys keep saying state titled and I never said it was.

no reason to get upset.
Good luck with your sale broham!

[brewster240]

Originally Posted by MC.Understeer

No you retards are just reading what you want to hear. In order to get this car in the states legally it has to be approved by the feds. Which is what I did and have all the paperwork with the federal goverment stamped approval. Once again you guys keep saying state titled and I never said it was.

Prove it.

[Knuckshaft]

Originally Posted by brewster240

Prove it.

That's what I'm saying, prove it and its sold.

[MC.Understeer]

Originally Posted by Knuckshaft

That's what I'm saying, prove it and its sold.

posting custom bond release and nothing else. Price is going up now.

[MC.Understeer]

Originally Posted by Knuckshaft

That's what I'm saying, prove it and its sold.

I'm not selling you the car even if you had 20k cash.

Posted proof I have NHTS paperwork so kick rocks.

[Oakville]

Even 15 is a little low mon frere. Not a bad setup, its rare to find JDM cars that were revinned in Canada with government 17-digit vins. Ontario stopped doing that a few years back (word of mouth). I still roll with the 12-digit vin.

GLWS dude!

[Vandrel]

Originally Posted by MC.Understeer

Clearly you cannot read and have went onto a new subject of your own. Read a little better. I have my Federal paperwork all lined up for the person that's buying the car. Anything you're saying is meaningless.

Ok cool....... it's been years since I really needed to use this and I don't feel like retyping it.

I'm just going to leave this right here

Originally Posted by Vandrel

(Note Telephone Area Code is "202" Except for San Angelo Test Facility)

Both of them hate Skylines to the fullest. Even Sean Morris will tell you that.

All you have to do is say, "Hey, I have a company called Next Level Motorsports selling me a Nissan Skyline R34 from Japan, they said that Nissan of Japan is making it meet FMVSS and EPA regulations and then Next Level Motorsports is shipping it to the US. Is that legal and will my Nissan Skyline R34 clear customs and be able to be titled and used for On-Road use?"

Answer from them, "No, and can you give me the contact information for Next Level Motorsports?"

Then we'll see Next Level Motorsports on the latest headlines for being raided by ICE like Kaizo and the rest of the yahoos.

Again, Next Level Motorsporst is NOT a Registered Importer nor a Independant Commercial Importer and Nissan of Japan cannot and will not certify Japanese Domestic Market vehicles as meeting U.S. Federal Motor Vehcile Safety Standards when it's already been proven that they do not meet those standards and are not legal for import.

That means they cannot legally bring a car into this country in any way, shape, or form. That furthermore means that whatever car they try and get you to pay for so they can ship it to the U.S. will have a 80% chance of being marked for serizing before it even lands at the port. There was a service member stationed in Japan that had his R32 GTR sent to California when he PCS'd, needless to say it was tagged and bagged before it even landed.

In order for a vehicle to enter this country, a Bill of Lading must be sent in along with a HS-7. What those documents contain are the VIN# and year/make/model of any vehicles that are arriving and what they are arriving for. In order for a vehicle to leave customs it has to be "cleared" and "approved" by Customs Boarder Patrol (CBP) who in turn clears it through the NHTSA.

Ports are secure locations, meaning Joe Shmuckatelli cannot just walk up in that place, you have to go to a entry checkpoint office and check in with the duty, you have to state your business, you have to have papers for your shipment that you are picking up and they must review them. They physically call down to the docks and varify everything and "IF" you are allowed to enter you must be escorted the entire time. Nothing enters or leaves without being checked and rechecked, just like a military entry control point for a base but worse.

To keep things simple, when you call the OVSC and talk to either Coleman Sachs or Dick Merritt, simply give them the VIN# to the vehcile you are trying to import or just the year/make/model and ask them if it's legal for importing. They are the final, say all, end of ends, word. No matter what Joe Shmoe at Next Level tells you, what those folks at the OVSC tell you is the LAW.

For reference: http://skylineownersusa.com/files/ovscorgchart.pdf

I don't care what you say or what papers you have there showing you had someone drive the car into the country from Canada in December 2012. Your car is NOT federally legal, period. You simply had a lucky stroke (if your papers are legit) where CBP did not do their job. That car is subject to seizure at all times.

For those who did not read the above quote I made years ago, simply call the above provided phone number and give them a VIN to verify. They keep a complete active database of all cars (Skylines included) that have entered the country legally. If they don't have a record of the VIN it's not legal. End of story.

18 U.S.C. §545
"Whoever knowingly and willfully, with intent to defraud the United
States, smuggles, or clandestinely introduces any merchandise which
should be invoiced, or makes out or passes, or attempts to pass, any
false, forged or fraudulent invoices, or other document or paper; or
whoever fraudulently or knowingly imports or brings into the United
States any merchandise contrary to law, or buys such merchandise after
importation, knowing the same to have been imported or brought into
the United States contrary to law may be fined or imprisoned."

Items that fall under 18 U.S.C. §545 are subject to seizure and forfeiture.

JDM Imports and Next Level are not approved or authorized to conduct
importation of motor vehicles subject to FMVSS and EPA regulations.
Regardless of whether they do so or not, any attempt they make is,
again, a violation of law as noted above per 18 U.S.C. §545. Any
vehicle that they handle which is required to be bond released will be
subject to seizure and forfeiture, even after they've entered the
country and received a U.S. motor vehicle title. Only a "Registered
Importer" approved by the NHTSA may import and modify such vehicles
that require a bond release, vehicles that do not pass through the
proper channels are forever subject to seizure and forfeiture per 18
U.S.C. §545, even after they reach exemption year (25 years old).

I am quoting Next Level Motorsports info from years ago because it's relevant to whoever imported that car. I'm also shocked that http://www.pcbusa.com/ would have signed off on such a case.

As others stated, no one cares if the car isn't legal. People care when the car is misrepresented to be legal. It's nothing shy of shady and utter bullshit to try and dupe a buyer into thinking that car is legal at all. Tell the truth, let them know what they are getting into, you will find people who are willing to accept the risks.

Lastly, with a Canadian VIN I'm sure posting pictures of that car over on GTRCanada.com would yield some interesting feedback from the community there. People talk.

[garagespec]

He got lucky as hell. Only person to have a 32 that's that lucky.

[Aviator]

hellaaa sketch...

[MC.Understeer]

Just because it's legit you guys don't have to rain on my thread. 2 years this car will be legit no matter what anyways so all of you doubting it then get the F*** out. I will sell the car either way im not saying anything that it isn't. I haven't state titled it and I plan on doing it if I end up keeping it. Don't care either way

[Vandrel]

Originally Posted by MC.Understeer

Just because it's legit you guys don't have to rain on my thread. 2 years this car will be legit no matter what anyways so all of you doubting it then get the F*** out. I will sell the car either way im not saying anything that it isn't. I haven't state titled it and I plan on doing it if I end up keeping it. Don't care either way

18 U.S.C. §545
"Whoever knowingly and willfully, with intent to defraud the United
States, smuggles, or clandestinely introduces any merchandise which
should be invoiced, or makes out or passes, or attempts to pass, any
false, forged or fraudulent invoices, or other document or paper; or
whoever fraudulently or knowingly imports or brings into the United
States any merchandise contrary to law, or buys such merchandise after
importation, knowing the same to have been imported or brought into
the United States contrary to law may be fined or imprisoned."


Items that fall under 18 U.S.C. §545 are subject to seizure and forfeiture.

Please let me know how that works out for you. By the way, the car is a 91 according to your papers so it's not 25 years old in 2014. Furthermore, illegal cars do not become legal at 25 years old, they must first enter the country legally in order to be legal at all. Illegal entry means forever illegal and always subject to seizure, even after 25 years of age.

How do I know this? I had ICE at my house in 2011. http://www.nicoclub.com/archives/bre...ne-owners.html

But what do I know?

[MC.Understeer]

Originally Posted by Vandrel

Please let me know how that works out for you. By the way, the car is a 91 according to your papers so it's not 25 years old in 2014. Furthermore, illegal cars do not become legal at 25 years old, they must first enter the country legally in order to be legal at all. Illegal entry means forever illegal and always subject to seizure, even after 25 years of age.

How do I know this? I had ICE at my house in 2011. US Government Turns Up Heat on Skyline Owners

But what do I know?

Not sure if you didn't notice my updated pictures of my paper work but I imported it legally so what you're saying has nothing to do with me or the car.

[Vandrel]

Originally Posted by MC.Understeer

Not sure if you didn't notice my updated pictures of my paper work but I imported it legally so what you're saying has nothing to do with me or the car.

Oh I looked at them. The car is not legal, sorry. I really don't know what to tell you here other then you are either completely ignorant of the laws and really do not understand what I'm saying here or you are a bonified scammer in which case you are 1 of 500 we've seen since 2006.

I guess you missed the part where it's really as simple as calling the OVSC and giving them your VIN# to verify if it's legal. I of course leave this up to the buyer to verify but if you want to really make this thread interesting I'm happy to entertain this and call the OVSC in the morning when I get to the office.

Since it was never stated or confirmed on this thread, what RI and ICI did you use to import the car?

[ryandh]

I'll show you what's legal paperwork OP. What you have is not legal paper work.. its luck.
Hold on...

[garagespec]

He's not saying that you don't have the paperwork. What he is saying is that someone made a mistake. No r32 are legal here, other than the very few motorex cars that were grandfathered in. Its common knowledge. Someone within the system made a mistake for you to have the paperwork if its legit. And unfortunately that makes it not legit. So yes you may have paperwork that shows that the car is legal, but it is not. There are simple ways I find out. You should call the number he posted from a pay phone somewhere and have them run the vin and see if it shows legal in the system. That would be the true test.

[ryandh]

Here is just 2 pieces of legal gold...


The bond release and epa paperwork. I have other documents but this is the most important. If you don't have them, its not federally legal.

[garagespec]

Myth busted

[Vandrel]

Originally Posted by ryandh

The bond release and epa paperwork. I have other documents but this is the most important. If you don't have them, its not federally legal.

This x100000000

and lol@pic

[garagespec]

Ryan, that looks just like the ones I had. I'm looking for pics of mine as I sold the car. I know I have pics somewhere.

[ryandh]

Originally Posted by Vandrel

This x100000000

and lol@pic

I thought the Stewie Griffin picture put the perfect touch on it. I'll see you over at SkylineownersUSA