2012-2013 NBA Season Thread

[Riq]

Originally Posted by revat619

It's asinine because they play different positions and have different roles on their respective teams. The MJ vs. Magic comparison has always been stupid to me too. Jordan and Kobe never had to play facilitator on their teams on a consistent basis. Did they lack the skill to? Hell no. But it wasn't necessary. Lebron basically plays point forward much like Magic. He damn well better have more assists than a player who's primary role is to score. At 30 fucking 4 we saw Kobe have to play point guard AND scorer out of necessity and omg what do you know 40 plus points, 12 assists, 7-8 rebounds and logging ridiculous minutes.

What irks me (and maybe it's just me) is you act like Jordan and Kobe are/were completely incapable of doing what Lebron's doing when in fact they are/were fully capable when they felt the need to do so. I'm not taking anything away from the guy. He's amazing. But don't disrespect the skill of Jordan and Kobe because they didn't have to have their all around games on display night in and night out.

As far as "being a better teammate", Kobe and Shaq didn't mesh because Kobe was intense and took things super serious and it pissed him off that Shaq had all the talent and came in out of shape and didn't take things as serious. Shaq was infact too lazy and Kobe was probably too intense, but i can't blame the guy for wanting to be the best he could be. I find it hard to imagine Lebron being uber buddy buddy either with Shaq and his lackadaisical attitude toward conditioning. But whatever....that's just speculation.

Might want to get a snack before reading this....


First of all calm down, you seem to be getting alittle too excited over a conversation. I understand that you're a big fan of Kobe but it feels like you're taking things on a personal level, getting "irked" over what I'm saying. Jordan was not in the conversation, it was just Kobe and Lebron. So lets keep it there... HELL NO Kobe could NEVER play the role Lebron has been playing his whole career. What is wrong with you? Do you seriously think that if Kobe could play PG/SG and score 26+ per while also getting 8+ asts per game not to mention 8+ reb he wouldn't? Wtf are you smoking? Hell I remember Kobe pulling up from 30 whenever he got a chance to play his rookie year and it was also the main reason they would sit him at times. He never passed the ball to anyone during that time and he wasn't even in the rotation. Next you're going to tell me that Melo could do it too if he wanted to. If Kobe could play all 5 positions as well as avg 8+ asts per game he would absolutely do it. Why? Because HE WANTS TO WIN AND THAT'S NO SECRET. That's why he would take 780 shots per game if he thought it would get the W. Since you brought up MJ, yes he could absolutely play the role of facilitator and he often did but Scotty played that roll more because he was simply better at it. Kobe doesn't have that side to his game and never has. Just look at the big deal people made about him passing the ball for a few games this season.


Up to this point all you have given me is the excuses that a Kobe fan is going to give anyone. I gave facts, I even went as far as to post both players career stats Kobe's first 11 years vs Lebron's 10. Give me a break with all that I'm getting irked shit. Kobe has never been the player Lebron is because he can't do it. If he could, he would have done it plain and simple to think otherwise is asinine. Had Kobe only been 28yrs old right now you would have a great argument about him being able to switch his game if he wanted to but we have already seen Kobe's body of work and we all know what his limitations are so stop acting like I'm speculating because I gave you FACTS. Plain and simple if Kobe could at any point be the player that Lebron is yet chose not to do so, then he did a great disservice to his whole Legacy. Kobe said he wanted to be better than Jordan. Jordan didn't only play the role of scorer.... Just to put alittle more perspective in the conversation for you, D-Wade has better numbers than Kobe does in Rebs, Ast and Blks avg per and he's 6' friggin 4" and don't get me started on Jason Kidd before he became a spot up shooter... Point is your ROLE on a team is determined by your skill. Well... that's true on any roster other than a Mike D'antoni coached roster.

Up to this point I have taken this as a friendly conversation amongst NBA fans but honestly I could give 2 shits if you're getting irked over my point of view because I have backed up everything I have said with facts. Kobe can't hang and that's why Lebron is the most unique basketball player anyone has ever seen, not my words but the words of NBA Legends that have played against all the greats including Kobe....


Now if anyone else has any facts that helps the Kobe argument I would be more than happy to read them because I enjoy the debate. But please lets stop with the "Kobe could a, would a, should a, I'm getting irked" crap. I would love to hear Phlip's point of view as I know for a fact that he can be incredibly objective but I'm not sure he's interested.

Originally Posted by theronin

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[revat619]

Originally Posted by Riq

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH

"I'm tired of the Kobe coula shoulda woulda"

and yet you've continually speculated with "Lebron coulda if, and so on"

"Kobe can't hang'

but i'm not being objective. lol dude seriously? I had a whole response written up, but this is just too hilarious. If anyone is sounding like an angry homer right now its you. We're done here.

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by Riq

I would love to hear Phlip's point of view as I know for a fact that he can be incredibly objective but I'm not sure he's interested.

My point of view:

EVERYBODY shut the fuck up
I am sick and damned tired of this coming up. There is no good reason to even continue this discussion other than to diminish the accomplishments of one player compared against another. The line is ALWAYS drawn at "well I'm a fan of the guy I says is better" and continues on with "I'm not saying the other guy sucks, but he sucks and I would completely fellate my dog in this fight if it means I won this argument." It has always gotten on my nerves and always will.