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GTR_240SX · 05-22-2013, 05:39 PM

So I'm trying to find out what is the maximum torque that a S13 can handle without putting in a Roll cage???... I've been looking around on google and also some shops and most say different numbers. I'm reading and hearing 450- 500lb/tq... Anything past that the chassis starts to twist. Is this true??

I'm only asking this because I'm currently dropping a LS2 in my S13 and I'm planning on building the motor within time...

All your answers would be highly appreciated!!!

If your going to be a douche then I'll just ignore your comment!!!

*brndck* · 05-23-2013, 08:35 AM

uhhhhh. i've personally never heard of someone tweaking the frame on an s-chassis from having too much torque. normally its from smashing into a k-rail.

lemme put it this way, how many 500hp+ s-chassis are there, and how many times have you seen someone complain about twisting their frame due to torque?

RB25GUY · 05-23-2013, 08:53 AM

dude this whole post is one of the dumbest waste of forum thread space god gave u eyes and hands look it up yourself your gonna spend the money on the swap but not on a cage?

GTR_240SX · 05-23-2013, 08:55 AM

Yea I hear ya on that but I'm saying without a roll cage?? Plus not sure if I've seen many S-chassis that have over 600 lb/tq... Anytime I've heard of a s-chassis over 600 torque they brace the shit out of them and pop in a roll cage... I'm just wondering if it'll twist because I still plan on keeping my interior...

simmode1 · 05-23-2013, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by GTR_240SX

Anytime I've heard of a s-chassis over 600 torque they brace the shit out of them and pop in a roll cage...

There's a reason for that.

A tin can of a chassis with 600 lbs/ft of torque and no cage? Sounds familiar...

Been nice knowing you, man.

*brndck* · 05-23-2013, 09:57 AM

at that level of hp i would recommend a cage for personal protection more than chassis rigidity

RB25GUY · 05-23-2013, 10:13 AM

^ and wear a helmet if you are caged some people tend to forget that.....

blueshark123 · 05-23-2013, 10:25 AM

A cage on a street car is not ideal especially if its not extremely tight to the body, since its near your head. Even still its dangerous, since you wont be driving on the street with a helmet now.

I also dont understand why having 600 tq makes anyone think u need a cage for personal protection. Shit, I can crash a 150hp civic doing 100+ so do i need a cage in that?

I personally would do a rollbar if anything.

*brndck* · 05-23-2013, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by blueshark123

A cage on a street car is not ideal especially if its not extremely tight to the body, since its near your head. Even still its dangerous, since you wont be driving on the street with a helmet now.

I also dont understand why having 600 tq makes anyone think u need a cage for personal protection. Shit, I can crash a 150hp civic doing 100+ so do i need a cage in that?

I personally would do a rollbar if anything.

ummm clearly you don't understand. this guy is doing an LS2 swap, obviously hes a real race car driver.

S12 Drifter · 05-23-2013, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by blueshark123

A cage on a street car is not ideal especially if its not extremely tight to the body, since its near your head. Even still its dangerous, since you wont be driving on the street with a helmet now.

I also dont understand why having 600 tq makes anyone think u need a cage for personal protection. Shit, I can crash a 150hp civic doing 100+ so do i need a cage in that?

I personally would do a rollbar if anything.

UNLESS!!!!!

blueshark123 · 05-23-2013, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by brndck

ummm clearly you don't understand. this guy is doing an LS2 swap, obviously hes a real race car driver.

Not sure if sarcastic or not.

living4surf · 05-23-2013, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RB25GUY

dude this whole post is one of the dumbest waste of forum thread space god gave u eyes and hands look it up yourself your gonna spend the money on the swap but not on a cage?

There have been way worst threads here recently. With that said this is still pretty bad

drscooper · 05-23-2013, 01:32 PM

race car driver nuff said

simmode1 · 05-23-2013, 02:38 PM

I guess this thread may help stiffen things up if you wanna avoid a full cage.
http://zilvia.net/f/chat/445693-cool-spec-braces.html

GTR_240SX · 05-23-2013, 03:19 PM

Well after I do over 600 torque I plan on getting a cage. I just want to know what is the max torque the s-chassis can handle. Also thanks to all the guys with the info.
I'm just a bit eh with it bc I want to keep my interior unless there are cages that allow me keep my rear seats and panels...

G240 · 05-23-2013, 03:31 PM

What are your plans with the car, just a street car with 600/lbs of torque? Or is it going to be drifted or dragged or road raced.

Just seems like a lot of HP/TQ for an S13 or S chassis for that matter.

Jlugo711 · 05-23-2013, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GTR_240SX

Well after I do over 600 torque I plan on getting a cage. I just want to know what is the max torque the s-chassis can handle. Also thanks to all the guys with the info.
I'm just a bit eh with it bc I want to keep my interior unless there are cages that allow me keep my rear seats and panels...

You could buy a bolt-in cage and cut holes into your plastics to give it a "complete" interior feel. The best part about our cars is the abundance of parts! So practice on plastics from a junk yard if you don't want to ruin your own.

chris_240sx · 05-23-2013, 03:44 PM

Never heard of the s-chassis twisting from making too much torque. Most people that put down big power have roll cages because they race their car in some fashion and need one for safety, not because the chassis can't handle it.

Why don't you just do a cage and keep interior? The back seats will probably be useless, but they pretty much are anyways. Here's a picture of Ash's (smashed's) car from his blog. Doesn't look like the cage is too much of a hassle.

As others have stated, if it's a street car, get some padding for the bars around your head unless you plan on wearing a helmet all the time.

!Zar! · 05-24-2013, 02:19 PM

It's more of a thing you would do if your car had an actual chassis and not a uni-body.

A uni-body is more rigid than the typical body on frame style chassis.

KendallH · 05-24-2013, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by simmode1

There's a reason for that.

A tin can of a chassis with 600 lbs/ft of torque and no cage? Sounds familiar...

Been nice knowing you, man.

Than was an FD... lets be realistic it was probably closer to 60ft/lbs of torque

05-22-2013, 05:39 PM	#1
GTR_240SX Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Chicago, IL Age: 38 Posts: 343 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	How much TQ can a stock S13 hold??? So I'm trying to find out what is the maximum torque that a S13 can handle without putting in a Roll cage???... I've been looking around on google and also some shops and most say different numbers. I'm reading and hearing 450- 500lb/tq... Anything past that the chassis starts to twist. Is this true?? I'm only asking this because I'm currently dropping a LS2 in my S13 and I'm planning on building the motor within time... All your answers would be highly appreciated!!! If your going to be a douche then I'll just ignore your comment!!!

05-24-2013, 02:19 PM	#19
!Zar! Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,579 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	It's more of a thing you would do if your car had an actual chassis and not a uni-body. A uni-body is more rigid than the typical body on frame style chassis. __________________

05-23-2013, 08:53 AM	#3
RB25GUY Nissanaholic! Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: NY Age: 35 Posts: 2,033 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	dude this whole post is one of the dumbest waste of forum thread space god gave u eyes and hands look it up yourself your gonna spend the money on the swap but not on a cage?

05-23-2013, 08:55 AM	#4
GTR_240SX Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Chicago, IL Age: 38 Posts: 343 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Yea I hear ya on that but I'm saying without a roll cage?? Plus not sure if I've seen many S-chassis that have over 600 lb/tq... Anytime I've heard of a s-chassis over 600 torque they brace the shit out of them and pop in a roll cage... I'm just wondering if it'll twist because I still plan on keeping my interior...

05-23-2013, 10:13 AM	#7
RB25GUY Nissanaholic! Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: NY Age: 35 Posts: 2,033 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	^ and wear a helmet if you are caged some people tend to forget that.....

05-23-2013, 10:25 AM	#8
blueshark123 Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Jersey Posts: 5,481 Trader Rating: (55) Feedback Score: 55 reviews	A cage on a street car is not ideal especially if its not extremely tight to the body, since its near your head. Even still its dangerous, since you wont be driving on the street with a helmet now. I also dont understand why having 600 tq makes anyone think u need a cage for personal protection. Shit, I can crash a 150hp civic doing 100+ so do i need a cage in that? I personally would do a rollbar if anything.

05-23-2013, 02:38 PM	#14
simmode1 Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Addison, TX Posts: 5,526 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I guess this thread may help stiffen things up if you wanna avoid a full cage. http://zilvia.net/f/chat/445693-cool-spec-braces.html

05-23-2013, 03:19 PM	#15
GTR_240SX Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Chicago, IL Age: 38 Posts: 343 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Well after I do over 600 torque I plan on getting a cage. I just want to know what is the max torque the s-chassis can handle. Also thanks to all the guys with the info. I'm just a bit eh with it bc I want to keep my interior unless there are cages that allow me keep my rear seats and panels...

05-23-2013, 03:31 PM	#16
G240 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Houston Posts: 349 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	What are your plans with the car, just a street car with 600/lbs of torque? Or is it going to be drifted or dragged or road raced. Just seems like a lot of HP/TQ for an S13 or S chassis for that matter.

05-23-2013, 03:44 PM	#18
chris_240sx Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Washington Posts: 425 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Never heard of the s-chassis twisting from making too much torque. Most people that put down big power have roll cages because they race their car in some fashion and need one for safety, not because the chassis can't handle it. Why don't you just do a cage and keep interior? The back seats will probably be useless, but they pretty much are anyways. Here's a picture of Ash's (smashed's) car from his blog. Doesn't look like the cage is too much of a hassle. As others have stated, if it's a street car, get some padding for the bars around your head unless you plan on wearing a helmet all the time.