2014. Year of the R32 and S13?

[GTR-Garage]

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They have been importing vehicles under the 25 year rule, including R31 Skylines.

[Fusious]

Originally Posted by GTR-Garage

It was my understanding that there were a number of older Japanese sports cars like the R31, Kenmeri, Hakosuka and AE86 that have been successfully imported under the 25 year rule. The last Land Cruiser we exported was a mid 80s model and it went through without issue with box 1 of the HS-7 form checked. It was shipped completely intact.

Maybe I was wrong. But I thought the r31 was still not legal by any means. If it is, I am very confused why I haven't seen not one yet.

[RHDAmerica]

Originally Posted by Fusious

I'm not going to lie and say I have the answer to that. Also, doesn't the R31 fall under the 25 year importation because it is from 85-87 which is 25+ years, right? If I'm correct, we should legally be able to import the R31 Skyline without issues. But that isn't the case because it is still fully illegal here in the U.S.

Not true at all...

Originally Posted by GTR-Garage

It was my understanding that there were a number of older Japanese sports cars like the R31, Kenmeri, Hakosuka and AE86 that have been successfully imported under the 25 year rule. The last Land Cruiser we exported was a mid 80s model and it went through without issue with box 1 of the HS-7 form checked. It was shipped completely intact.

Yes you can import any vehicle fully intact as long as it falls under the 25 year exemption.

[typhoonslippery]

Originally Posted by RHDAmerica

^^^ Bad idea, those cars are all registered in Canada already and you most likely won't be able to obtain the original de-registration papers from Japan or the customs clearance papers...

Not trying to be mean to you, so please don't think that... I'm just trying to keep people out of harms way...

If you have the original Form 1 from the importation in to Canada as well as the original Japanese deregistration document you should be good.

Many people have these with their Canadian cars so there shouldn't be a problem coming from Canada if you have the original paperwork

[tricky_ab]

Originally Posted by Corbic

They seem WAY overpriced.

I don't know about the stuff they have on the lot (in Canada or Japan). I went in with a budget, and they managed to get it under. They are a bit more then other importers, but they do ALL of the leg work (with a longer warranty), and that's what I was after.

Originally Posted by typhoonslippery

If you have the original Form 1 from the importation in to Canada as well as the original Japanese deregistration document you should be good.

Many people have these with their Canadian cars so there shouldn't be a problem coming from Canada if you have the original paperwork

This!

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Fusious

Maybe I was wrong. But I thought the r31 was still not legal by any means. If it is, I am very confused why I haven't seen not one yet.

Because no one wants to pay $15,000 for one...

[RHDAmerica]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Because no one wants to pay $15,000 for one...

Especially when you can import an R32 Gtr for about $5k more...

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by RHDAmerica

Especially when you can import an R32 Gtr for about $5k more...

At this moment.

Having watched jdm prices for a while...sure Shaken causes cars to depreciate like lead balloons.... but after 25 years they actually become rare a valuable simce so many have been exported or scraped. I expect R32 prices to skyrocket in the next 5 years.

[RHDAmerica]

I will guarantee with the demand even right now that the prices will jump very soon.

[SLiDe_WaYz]

Originally Posted by Corbic

At this moment.

Having watched jdm prices for a while...sure Shaken causes cars to depreciate like lead balloons.... but after 25 years they actually become rare a valuable simce so many have been exported or scraped. I expect R32 prices to skyrocket in the next 5 years.

Anyone stationed over there right now should be stock piling r32/33 parts right now, because in 2015 I'm sure the part yiu picked up for $50 is going to be worth $150, if not more.

I can easily see prices quadrupled in the next few years because of the high demand there going to have. Places like enjuku, zero lift, and a few others are going to make a killing.

[Wookie384]

Reading this thread is both funny and annoying. There isn't going to be a big change when 2014 comes around, and it's still going to be expensive to own a GTR (compared to a USDM S-chassis), I say this because the majority of the people on this forum can barely afford to keep their federally legal, cheap, USDM S-chassis cars in proper order and want to buy a GTR which is WAY more expensive and harder to maintain.

Those that CAN afford a GTR are the ones on here who have their cars properly maintained and built. So not much is going to change, and I predict those broke asses who buy their beloved GTR's will just drift them into a pole, let them fall apart, or get tired of it all and eventually sell them off.

You're probably thinking where the hell do I come off talking like this, well I say that because for a few years now I've been helping a buddy keep his GTR-32 running. I know most of the issues of that chassis, and trust me it's not easy or cheap, when something breaks favors have to be called to the owner's buddies in Japan, or a lot of cross referencing to US cars has to happen. The car has lived in my garage weeks on end when something happens not because of our inability to get it fixed, but because of our inability to get parts shipped overnight from Japan. (Yes, I went there). Yes, there are companies like GTR-Garage and a few others, but I've yet to see them keep OEM maintenance and other miscellaneous replacement parts readily available, again this will be a problem for those who have a difficulty of keeping a car in proper order. Shit, I struggled to get a damn distributor cap for my SR20DE Silvia Q's motor...lol

Regarding the whole buy a GTR now, and hide it and wait till it's legal idea, Yeah, not going to happen, PERIOD. If that's the case every grey market GTR will magically become legal.

[GTR-Garage]

In terms of demand it may be a better financial move to wait until 2015 to bring in a 1990. The demand for 1989 models is getting high and availability of decent examples is low.

One of the biggest issues is going to be the influx of the cheap GTR. We bought an early production 1989 GT-R a few months ago for $3,000, but it was riddled with rust and wasn't maintained well. We tore it down for parts.

There are going to be importers/exporters popping up who would have no qualm about trying to sell that to an American unaware of the actual condition or thinking that they can put a few bucks into it and get it back into tip-top shape.

A well maintained GT-R can be reliable and make plenty of power. However, one that was trashed in Japan is going to be a nightmare and money-pit that the owner will wish he never bought. If you're someone who is truly interested in bringing a GT-R in it would do you well to spend some time on GTR Canada as 10 years ago they were in the same position the US was in.

[mantas]

This whole discussion is garbage. All skylines are shit compared to an r34 gtr, i dont even know why you JDM fanboys get hard every time you hear the word skyline lol.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Wookie384

Reading this thread is both funny and annoying. There isn't going to be a big change when 2014 comes around, and it's still going to be expensive to own a GTR (compared to a USDM S-chassis), I say this because the majority of the people on this forum can barely afford to keep their federally legal, cheap, USDM S-chassis cars in proper order and want to buy a GTR which is WAY more expensive and harder to maintain.

Doesn't matter what the majority will do. There are going to be no shortage of people and shops willing to drop 10-20k on one and build some crazy monster.

People need to think of this car more like an FD, MKIV Supra or NSX.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by GTR-Garage

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One of the biggest issues is going to be the influx of the cheap GTR. We bought an early production 1989 GT-R a few months ago for $3,000, but it was riddled with rust and wasn't maintained well. We tore it down for parts.

All depends on price and knowledge. I'm sure a shady seller would put some lipstick on it and try and get 15k. But I'm also sure plenty of consumers would pay the right price for it, with full expectation of tearing it down and making a monster build.

Blown engines, shot suspension and rotted frame rails are only ever a problem if you did not expect them.

[GTR-Garage]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Doesn't matter what the majority will do. There are going to be no shortage of people and shops willing to drop 10-20k on one and build some crazy monster.

People need to think of this car more like an FD, MKIV Supra or NSX.

People need to think of these cars as well. All the talk is centered around Skylines, but in a few year the FD, JZA80 and plenty of other models are going to fall under the 25 year rule. I'm interested to see how the Supra market turns out as they are significantly cheaper to buy in Japan.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by GTR-Garage

People need to think of these cars as well. All the talk is centered around Skylines, but in a few year the FD, JZA80 and plenty of other models are going to fall under the 25 year rule. I'm interested to see how the Supra market turns out as they are significantly cheaper to buy in Japan.

I don't think anything will happen to the US Supra market. Just like how you take a bath with a N/A - > Turbo conversion. The Supra community has already established the cars as classics and original Mint, stock, Turbo Supras are always going to commend stupid prices.

[Rustys14]

Originally Posted by GTR-Garage

I'm interested to see how the Supra market turns out as they are significantly cheaper to buy in Japan.

I am also curious to see what happens to the Supra market. After watching a close friend drop 22k on a clean TT last year I would almost feel bad if the prices took a nosedive lol.

That said, even if the market does get flooded with the jdm cars, I would still be willing to pay a few thousand extra for a
usdm MKV because the practicality of being lhd is worth that to me.

[fatduece]

There is no sense in spending 15+20k on a r32gtr when it becomes legal. Just wait a few more years and the demand for them will drop along with the prices. In the mean time just save your pennies. You're all broke anyways, including me. Lol.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by fatduece

There is no sense in spending 15+20k on a r32gtr when it becomes legal. Just wait a few more years and the demand for them will drop along with the prices. In the mean time just save your pennies. You're all broke anyways, including me. Lol.

That is like saying "hey man, just wait a few more years and prices will drop on those split window 'vets".

What you fail to understand is these cars already hit rock bottom 10 years ago. They are now rising in price and will most likely never come down again.

[RHDAmerica]

Originally Posted by Corbic

That is like saying "hey man, just wait a few more years and prices will drop on those split window 'vets".

What you fail to understand is these cars already hit rock bottom 10 years ago. They are now rising in price and will most likely never come down again.

You are exactly right. We have been importing these for quite some time now and not only is the price going to start to go up very soon, but they are getting a lot harder to source. I think that will be the biggest issue thus making the value worth more.

[mantas]

So lets import a bunch of old cars that have a jdm tax added to them and pretend like they are better than a cheaper evo x....dumb dumb dumb....

[azndan2]

Evos are gay.

[mantas]

Originally Posted by azndan2

Evos are gay.

Yeah thats what i thought until i saw a specv 35 get romped on by an evo
X with meth a tune and compounds. Literally took the specv on a straight because the evo was so much quicker on the exits out of corners. They battled on the straights but the exit speed of the evo was too much to handle for that 35. Lol

[supersayianjim]

Originally Posted by Rustys14

I am also curious to see what happens to the Supra market. After watching a close friend drop 22k on a clean TT last year I would almost feel bad if the prices took a nosedive lol.

That said, even if the market does get flooded with the jdm cars, I would still be willing to pay a few thousand extra for a
usdm MKV because the practicality of being lhd is worth that to me.

But wait!! your wrong. the fd and mk4 supra are usdm models. so........

you can import those jdm cars NOW!!!!

why?? because again they are already sold here, no red tape!!

[GTR-Garage]

Originally Posted by supersayianjim

But wait!! your wrong. the fd and mk4 supra are usdm models. so........

you can import those jdm cars NOW!!!!

why?? because again they are already sold here, no red tape!!

That is not the case. Although the FD32 and JZA80 were sold in the US the JDM models do not conform to the FMVSS so they cannot be imported under exemptions 2A or 2B of customs form HS-7. They would have to be brought in by an RI and made to conform to safety and emission standards, which is very expensive.

If they could you would see plenty of RHD Supras and RX-7 running around already. Both of these vehicles can be purchased for less than half the price of equivalent examples in the US. Earlier this year we bought a nice JZA80 twin turbo for $7,000. I'm guessing an equivalent example in the US would have been over $20,000.

[Dolph_KYAS13]

Originally Posted by Wookie384

Reading this thread is both funny and annoying. There isn't going to be a big change when 2014 comes around, and it's still going to be expensive to own a GTR (compared to a USDM S-chassis), I say this because the majority of the people on this forum can barely afford to keep their federally legal, cheap, USDM S-chassis cars in proper order and want to buy a GTR which is WAY more expensive and harder to maintain.

Those that CAN afford a GTR are the ones on here who have their cars properly maintained and built. So not much is going to change, and I predict those broke asses who buy their beloved GTR's will just drift them into a pole, let them fall apart, or get tired of it all and eventually sell them off.

You're probably thinking where the hell do I come off talking like this, well I say that because for a few years now I've been helping a buddy keep his GTR-32 running. I know most of the issues of that chassis, and trust me it's not easy or cheap, when something breaks favors have to be called to the owner's buddies in Japan, or a lot of cross referencing to US cars has to happen. The car has lived in my garage weeks on end when something happens not because of our inability to get it fixed, but because of our inability to get parts shipped overnight from Japan. (Yes, I went there). Yes, there are companies like GTR-Garage and a few others, but I've yet to see them keep OEM maintenance and other miscellaneous replacement parts readily available, again this will be a problem for those who have a difficulty of keeping a car in proper order. Shit, I struggled to get a damn distributor cap for my SR20DE Silvia Q's motor...lol

This guy speaks the truth. The car is off the road more than it is on, parts are super hard to come by and oem parts are becoming increasingly more rare. There wont be any "cheap" GTRs that are worth anything. 9 times out of 10 a cheap GTR means for a prompt engine failure and a huge repair bill. That being said, i still love mine (GTS-T) and will probably own it for a while. What I am excited for is having companies in the states doing some R and D and developing more parts for this chassis.

[racer98]

Originally Posted by TougeLove

I KNOW! this subject has been beaten to death on every car forum everywhere.
What people get caught up in is the newer gtrs, sti, supra, etc. and just importing cars in general.

I HAVE searched and could not find my way through the crap for an anwser,

BUT to my understanding of the law is that beginning in late 2013 and really starting in 2014 the 25 year import law is lifted on vehicles built in late 1988-89 which would include r32s and s13s?

I have searched, not only this forum, but others and could not find a clear answer on this EXACT topic.

These cars will begin to be legally imported and more importantly, registered and titled in 2014?

If i missed anything i apologize.


you can skip the

Oh gwad has sara jessica parker been called a horse enough ? man this subject has been beaten so much into the ground think its dust by now.

[shaggy sr]

u can pick up r32 shell from cananda to usa for cheap.

[SLiDe_WaYz]

Originally Posted by supersayianjim

But wait!! your wrong. the fd and mk4 supra are usdm models. so........

you can import those jdm cars NOW!!!!

why?? because again they are already sold here, no red tape!!

Yeah.... This isn't a false statement or anything. You need to change so much in order for it to pass the government's standards. All the glass would need to be changed, emissions changed, there's a huge list of parts that would need to be swapped over from the usdm version in order to MAYBE pass regulations.

If you had the money, I would find a clean chassis of whatever car you wanted, buy it, and rent and store it somewhere over there until you could import it. Because when the time comes where it's legal to get it into the US you can bet that 7-8K supra you just bought is going to be selling for 15ish or more.