Skid Plates, Low Cars, Aquaplaning, Pride & Prejudice

[Brian]

Originally Posted by Bushido

hydro drift championship

exactly!
my rotors got rusty after that. Probably bad for downforce.

[S14DB]

Originally Posted by xoxide

1- Ive never seen ghetto and redneck used in the same sentence before. Well done.

Don't you live in the heart of that?

[PureRush]

Haha I like that plywood idea plus this I'm pretty entertained reading the comments from the people that are butthurt about that guys bumper protecting splitter. They're like "Hey guys lets make a splitter that sits 1/2 inch off the ground out of some expensive material"

[Brian]

what, you dont have a kevlar skid splitter?

[derek_s13]

personally attest to kevin phans big goofy wooden splitter not looking the least bit big or goofy when the car is driving. I didn't even know it was there.

will also testify to its merit on and off the racetrack. car has been three-wheel dirt-dropped, and bombed clear off track, and that bumper is mint.

it works so well, that after I realized what I was looking at, I felt stupid at how simple of an answer it was all this time.



here are some cell phone pictures I took of his car driving because it was just so damn hot






have run aluminium skid plates, and stolen street-sign skid plates, none of them hold up at all and are way more expensive.

[HighwaystarJC]

Originally Posted by derek_s13

and stolen street-sign skid plates, none of them hold up at all and are way more expensive.

how can a stolen street-sign skid plate cost more than a piece of plywood when you just proclaimed it was stolen?

[Bushido]

Wood is good

[racepar1]

Originally Posted by Bushido

hydro drift championship

So THAT's why those GTR rotors I bought off Brian a few years back were so rusty! LOL!





I know, I know guys. God forbid anyone speak about anything performance related that isn't pure power. God forbid that anyone be more concerned with making the car faster than look cooler. God forbid that anyone should not slam their car retard spec low and not need a giant heavy piece of fucking lumber to protect their precious, shitty looking, vacuum cleaner aero kit. God forbid anyone have actual standards for ALL the parts they put on their cars. God forbid that anyone should not see their car as "just a drift car". God forbid anyone see and treat their car as a TOOL rather than just a childish toy to go slide into curbs and poles and shit.

It's just purely terrible that I am a straight up race guy and couldn't give a fuck less about all the bullshit you guys are concerned about. Ridiculous that the idea of destroying a couple hundred dollar splitter isn't a big deal IMO. I mean, cars are cheap and easy right??? I'm a horrible human being. I should go buy some neon sunglasses, skinny jeans, flip-flops, shitty looking aero, and slap some plywood on my ride.

The sad thing is that even on Hondatech, the riciest place on the internet according to Zilvians, the idea of a plywood splitter would not be looked upon in high regard. Even there, the idea of actually making downforce would not be scoffed at.

[Brian]

My car was pure performance.

[imotion s14]

Originally Posted by HighwaystarJC

how can a stolen street-sign skid plate cost more than a piece of plywood when you just proclaimed it was stolen?

this community is full of cheap fucks.

[shanelach]

Racepar1, eat a snickers. You take shit too serious when you're hungry.

The car in question has a KA, 18X10.5 chrome wheels, and a big piece of plywood on the front. Obviously a splitter would help SO MUCH in a performance aspect. You know what the best part is? It gets driven and the dude has fun. It sounds like you aren't having much fun hourself.

[PoorMans180SX]

Originally Posted by racepar1

So THAT's why those GTR rotors I bought off Brian a few years back were so rusty! LOL!

Big rant blah blah blah

No actually you're missing everyone's point. Obviously we all know what a real splitter does, and if we wanted to build a road race car, would would all make a proper one for proper downforce.

But there's simply no need to be a dick about someone who wants to protect the looks of their car cheaply.

[Matej]

Originally Posted by racepar1

God forbid that anyone should not slam their car retard spec low and not need a giant heavy piece of fucking lumber to protect their precious, shitty looking, vacuum cleaner aero kit.

Plenty of 'real' cars actually utilize plywood splitters. They are cheap, easy to make and replace, stronger than most other materials, and not terribly heavy. Various formula, ALMS, Le Mans, and such cars have full wooden under body trays/covers/skid plates/whatever because wood has convenient wear qualities when the cars bottom out.




That being said, I do not care about smashing my aero. The oil sump is a different matter though, and even then, I would prefer just shortening the oil pan or figuring out something different if possible, since a skid plate will just make noise everywhere I go and the car will touch ground even sooner than it would without one.

Just waiting on China to knock off a dry sump kit.

[thefro526]

Can't understand all of the wood splitter hate.

Wood, in a material sense, is a fantastic thing to build something like a splitter/bumper protector/etc from. It's cheap, reasonably strong, super easy to work with and readily available. Sure, there are stronger, lighter materials to build things from, but can any take as much abuse as good plywood at the same price point? Pretty sure the answer is no.

IIRC, Stewart Leask ran his plywood splitter for at least a year or two and it saved multiple bumpers from destruction and was strong enough to support at least a person or two.

If you really wanted to get fancy with plywood, you could shape it into some radical splitter shape and then lay carbon fiber/fiberglass/etc overtop. Would allow you to do some neat/cool looking stuff that would be pretty damn strong. There are a lot of small scale airplane dudes that build stuff using the wood core (also foam core method) and it appears to work well for them. Seen the technique used on privateer/weekend race cars as well, wood is used for the coarse structure of a part, and then CF is overlaid to make it stronger and to smooth out some of the geometric transitions. Stuff like this isn't outside of the realm of most handy people, even if you don't have proper woodworking tools, you can use foam in areas that need to be specifically shaped with smooth curves and stuff since its easier to work with.

All of that being said, I'd imagine that someone somewhere has built some sort of splitter/protector/skid thing out of particle board, not knowing the difference between plywood and particle board. I'd like to see what happens to that under extreme load, I'd imagine that the failure would be entertaining.... And catastrophic.

[S14DB]

Originally Posted by Matej

Plenty of 'real' cars actually utilize plywood splitters. They are cheap, easy to make and replace, stronger than most other materials, and not terribly heavy. Various formula, ALMS, Le Mans, and such cars have full wooden under body trays/covers/skid plates/whatever because wood has convenient wear qualities when the cars bottom out.


That being said, I do not care about smashing my aero. The oil sump is a different matter though, and even then, I would prefer just shortening the oil pan or figuring out something different if possible, since a skid plate will just make noise everywhere I go and the car will touch ground even sooner than it would without one.

Just waiting on China to knock off a dry sump kit.

That's Jabroc not plywood.

[Sc0oByDo0RaCeR]

+1 for plywood

[zeitgeist]

Last time I checked this forum was pretty much used only by people who wanna have fun and look good.
Chill out dude. The plywood works

[xoxide]

Originally Posted by S14DB

Don't you live in the heart of that?

Hahahahaha....

[mechanicalmoron]

Originally Posted by racepar1

So THAT's why those GTR rotors I bought off Brian a few years back were so rusty! LOL!





I know, I know guys. God forbid anyone speak about anything performance related that isn't pure power. God forbid that anyone be more concerned with making the car faster than look cooler. God forbid that anyone should not slam their car retard spec low and not need a giant heavy piece of fucking lumber to protect their precious, shitty looking, vacuum cleaner aero kit. God forbid anyone have actual standards for ALL the parts they put on their cars. God forbid that anyone should not see their car as "just a drift car". God forbid anyone see and treat their car as a TOOL rather than just a childish toy to go slide into curbs and poles and shit.

It's just purely terrible that I am a straight up race guy and couldn't give a fuck less about all the bullshit you guys are concerned about. Ridiculous that the idea of destroying a couple hundred dollar splitter isn't a big deal IMO. I mean, cars are cheap and easy right??? I'm a horrible human being. I should go buy some neon sunglasses, skinny jeans, flip-flops, shitty looking aero, and slap some plywood on my ride.

The sad thing is that even on Hondatech, the riciest place on the internet according to Zilvians, the idea of a plywood splitter would not be looked upon in high regard. Even there, the idea of actually making downforce would not be scoffed at.

First you say totally reasonable things, and then you hate on plywood..... because.... yeah, I totally missed why.

You don't give a fuck what it looks like or what anyone thinks, you want it to go fast and do it well, unless it's plywood, in which case, it's totally unacceptable because you said so?

Your reasoning for hating plywood seems based in some shit about honda-tech, neon sunglasses, cheap aero, skinny jeans, and flip-flops, and frankly, I can't see what any of them have to do with plywood.

But we get it, destroying a several-hundred dollar splitter wouldn't phase you at all, because hey, at least you would have ruined something expensive, instead of something totally equal in performance but at a fraction the price.

[ZX88]

Originally Posted by Bushido

hydro drift championship

this is cool. MAKE IT HAPPEN

[bigs]

Originally Posted by racepar1

It's just purely terrible that I am a straight up race guy and couldn't give a fuck less about all the bullshit you guys are concerned about.

You're old. That's what happens when old people like cheap 20+ year old cars.

You're having a zilvia midlife crisis. Go turn a vert into a race car or something.

[Magoo1222]

Just stopping by to thank everyone involved in this thread for the entertaining read this evening In the interest of stirring the pot, however, that plywood does look ghetto as all fuck all when its off the car. Nice looking bumper tho!

[Matej]

Which stain finish would look best on a red car?
I am thinking Colonial Maple.

[Bushido]

^BALLERRRRR

love that grain

[Bushido]

Originally Posted by Johny5

Wood isn't really THAT heavy. I use 1/2" plywood and have had more than 4 people stand on each design i've made at the same time...











Believe me, both of them can stop a freight train. No point in building aerodynamics that attach to a flimsy FRP bumper.

...................

[Matej]

But will it withstand fire?

[racepar1]

Originally Posted by S14DB

That's Jabroc not plywood.

Thanks for that...

Originally Posted by bigs

You're old. That's what happens when old people like cheap 20+ year old cars.

You're having a zilvia midlife crisis. Go turn a vert into a race car or something.

So THAT's why people like 240sx convertibles. I haven't been able to figure that one out...

[andy107]

Originally Posted by bigs

You're old. That's what happens when old people like cheap 20+ year old cars.

You're having a zilvia midlife crisis. Go turn a vert into a race car or something.

If anyone feels racepar1 is commenting in a negative manner on this thread and talking down/harassing peoples thoughts and opinions about the topic. Feel free to use the report button on the bottom left corner of the said post next to the offending person's username.

I made the mistake of carrying my disagreements with racepar1 publicly, recently on my FS thread and was harshly warned by the mods. I don't want anyone to get pinked or banned over a dumb argument.

Since this is a topic of "Skid Plates, Low Cars, Aquaplaning, Pride & Prejudice". I would like to chime in on the builds and materials used. If you enjoy working on cars and enjoy building stuff from scratch and it works to your satisfaction. What makes that build any wrong, compared to other peoples projects? Your not going around shoving your new found idea's down peoples throats just because its right or the wrong way to do it. You build it because you do it for yourself, and nobody else. We all wish we had the funds to build proper cars out of "gold". But we don't. ADMIT IT, we are ALL cheap in some way, maybe more or less than others. Regardless, why are we all still here? It's called.... passion my friends.

I heard a famous saying from a great entrepreneur back in the day. "The best way to predict the future is to invent it." Take that quote and make it your own..... "The best way to predict the future is to create it."

The best example on the net. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcjpXbMiCtghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcjpXbMiCtg

Go out, be creative. Do something different. The big name guys at RWB, LB Performance all started somewhere. Look at the $$$ they are making now. And I'm sure it wasn't pretty when their ideas started from scratch. But most importantly, they just didn't stop from there. They kept going because they knew it could be better.

When did building a car become a fighting competition and that his/her car has a bigger di*k than yours?

........Carry on about yourself, and most importantly..... STAY humble. You know how the old saying goes. It's the quiet ones that you gotta watch for.

[mechanicalmoron]

Originally Posted by Magoo1222

Just stopping by to thank everyone involved in this thread for the entertaining read this evening In the interest of stirring the pot, however, that plywood does look ghetto as all fuck all when its off the car. Nice looking bumper tho!

I don't see anything that looks ghetto about that car's front end. At all.

However, fake carbon fiber on everything and useless/nonfunctional/obnoxious fiberglass "aero", do look pretty ghetto.

Like racepar was saying (for the parts that made sense): Fuck people who don't like how your car looks, make it go fast and do it right. (The part he got wrong was where he was saying that doing it right must be the most expensive way known to man)

[racepar1]

Originally Posted by andy107

If anyone feels racepar1 is commenting in a negative manner on this thread and talking down/harassing peoples thoughts and opinions about the topic. Feel free to use the report button on the bottom left corner of the said post next to the offending person's username.

I made the mistake of carrying my disagreements with racepar1 publicly, recently on my FS thread and was harshly warned by the mods. I don't want anyone to get pinked or banned over a dumb argument.

Are you REALLY on some sort of campaign to get me pinked??? Good luck with that. You were warned because you ranted and carried on with a full page post full of bullshit. Get over it, it's no big deal, I am no more of a villan in it than you.





Back on the "topic" of the thread...

I refuse to build my car using the materials that my storage shed is made from. Sorry, that's ghetto. There are plenty of other ways to protect a bumper that do not involve plywood or a non-functional "splitter". I'm not saying that you've gotta make it from autoclaved carbon fiber. But I wouldn't settle for anything less than something that I can be proud of.

It's funny to me how I described a $200 splitter and everyone seems to think that's expensive or something. If you go off-track and damage your car and it ONLY costs you $200 to fix it, THAT'S CHEAP!!! I've seen people go off-track and do $20,000 of damage, of course on an ACTUAL racecar.

I have no respect for the drifter attitude. "Good enough" is NEVER good enough for me. I have more passion, dedication, appreciation, and pride than that. I have too much passion and pride for my car to think of it as "just a drift car". I wouldn't own a modified or race car that I did not have that kind of passion for. If I WAS to make a dedicated "drift" car I wouldn't bother with ANY aero. It makes no difference in performance in that arena and all you're going to do is tear it up. It makes no sense to me...

Looking cool is far over rated IMO...