Skid Plates, Low Cars, Aquaplaning, Pride & Prejudice

[benarovi]

top gear did it on some eco box when they were trying to beat the evos time or something. it caught on fire lol

[tiggertsi]

Originally Posted by racepar1

I refuse to build my car using the materials that my storage shed is made from. Sorry, that's ghetto.

http://www.automobilemag.com/green/n...rcar_splinter/
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/05/s...oden-supercar/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keAkjqjnFt0

[Matej]

Originally Posted by racepar1

I refuse to build my car using the materials that my storage shed is made from. Sorry, that's ghetto.

Your shed is made out of wood?
That is so third world.
If I may, I would recommend stepping up to concrete or cement composites, or even brick at least.

[andy107]

Originally Posted by Matej

Your shed is made out of wood?
That is so third world.
If I may, I would recommend stepping up to concrete or cement composites, or even brick at least.

LOLOLOLOL perhaps he's speaking in terms of materials from a nuclear bunker silo.

[racepar1]

Originally Posted by tiggertsi

SOOOOOOOOO ugly and stupid. I wouldn't buy that no matter how retarded rich I was...

Originally Posted by Matej

Your shed is made out of wood?
That is so third world.
If I may, I would recommend stepping up to concrete or cement composites, or even brick at least.

You're from Kansas...



...we don't have tornadoes in Cali. No need for a bomb shelter to house my useless crap that I can't bring myself to throw out yet.


EDIT: just realized while I was shopping that Kansas City is in Missouri, NOT Kansas. OOPS! ONLY Okies would have a city named after a neighboring state... HAHA!!!

[KoukiMonsta]

Matej, you make the best threads.

I would enjoy a beer with you

Keep up the great work

[Magoo1222]

Originally Posted by mechanicalmoron

I don't see anything that looks ghetto about that car's front end. At all.

However, fake carbon fiber on everything and useless/nonfunctional/obnoxious fiberglass "aero", do look pretty ghetto.

Like racepar was saying (for the parts that made sense): Fuck people who don't like how your car looks, make it go fast and do it right. (The part he got wrong was where he was saying that doing it right must be the most expensive way known to man)

Thats why I said when its off the car lol... I didnt say anything about the cars front end. Pot = stirred, mission success captain

[BossHogg]

wtf? All these car guru's and no one has linked the coolest puddle jumping lamborghini movie of all time. Tisk Tisk.

skip to 5:15...or just watch the whole damn thing.

[bigs]

Originally Posted by racepar1

If I WAS to make a dedicated "drift" car I wouldn't bother with ANY aero. It makes no difference in performance in that arena and all you're going to do is tear it up.

You were just bitching about how that guy didn't have a nice splitter on his drift car for max down force.

When are you going to stop shitting out of your mouth? I know zilvia resembles the color of a litter box, but don't be fooled.

[shanelach]

Originally Posted by racepar1

Are you REALLY on some sort of campaign to get me pinked??? Good luck with that. You were warned because you ranted and carried on with a full page post full of bullshit. Get over it, it's no big deal, I am no more of a villan in it than you.





Back on the "topic" of the thread...

I refuse to build my car using the materials that my storage shed is made from. Sorry, that's ghetto. There are plenty of other ways to protect a bumper that do not involve plywood or a non-functional "splitter". I'm not saying that you've gotta make it from autoclaved carbon fiber. But I wouldn't settle for anything less than something that I can be proud of.

It's funny to me how I described a $200 splitter and everyone seems to think that's expensive or something. If you go off-track and damage your car and it ONLY costs you $200 to fix it, THAT'S CHEAP!!! I've seen people go off-track and do $20,000 of damage, of course on an ACTUAL racecar.

I have no respect for the drifter attitude. "Good enough" is NEVER good enough for me. I have more passion, dedication, appreciation, and pride than that. I have too much passion and pride for my car to think of it as "just a drift car". I wouldn't own a modified or race car that I did not have that kind of passion for. If I WAS to make a dedicated "drift" car I wouldn't bother with ANY aero. It makes no difference in performance in that arena and all you're going to do is tear it up. It makes no sense to me...

Looking cool is far over rated IMO...

I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say that nobody cares.

[derek_s13]

Originally Posted by racepar1

SOOOOOOOOO ugly and stupid. I wouldn't buy that no matter how retarded rich I was...



You're from Kansas...



...we don't have tornadoes in Cali. No need for a bomb shelter to house my useless crap that I can't bring myself to throw out yet.

...we don't build F1 race cars here. No need for cutting edge technology to protect my knockoff fiberglass bumper that I can't even spend the time to fit to the car properly.









are you getting it yet? made that one about as simple as it could be. see what I did is, I mimicked your exact sentence,
but changed the subject matter. that was so you can understand someone else's perspective on anything on earth.

and I did it in a way that demonstrates how biased you are on this, since your thoughts on low quality sheds
being "good enough" is just fine. but others' thoughts on appropriate skid car parts are not.

see matej did the same thing, but he's just so damn clever that I think it went straight over your head.
thought i'd splain it to ya.

[racepar1]

Originally Posted by bigs

You were just bitching about how that guy didn't have a nice splitter on his drift car for max down force.

When are you going to stop shitting out of your mouth? I know zilvia resembles the color of a litter box, but don't be fooled.

You missed my point completely. If you're going to run a splitter, run a proper one. If you're going to participate in a "motorsport" that eats fiberglass aero and in which downforce is inconsequential, don't run ANY aero. You can go out and bash the stock urethane bumper on whatever you want.

Originally Posted by shanelach

I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say that nobody cares.

What a coincidence, I don't care what anyone else thinks either...

Originally Posted by derek_s13

...we don't build F1 race cars here. No need for cutting edge technology to protect my knockoff fiberglass bumper that I can't even spend the time to fit to the car properly.









are you getting it yet? made that one about as simple as it could be. see what I did is, I mimicked your exact sentence,
but changed the subject matter. that was so you can understand someone else's perspective on anything on earth.

and I did it in a way that demonstrates how biased you are on this, since your thoughts on low quality sheds
being "good enough" is just fine. but others' thoughts on appropriate skid car parts are not.

see matej did the same thing, but he's just so damn clever that I think it went straight over your head.
thought i'd splain it to ya.

Thanks, you're so smart...



I prefer to attempt to apply that kind of F1 attention to detail to my own vehicle. Why? Because those are the kind of cars that I grew up with. In all my years working the pits the biggest thing that I have learned is this: The difference between the fastest car in the field and the slowest is all in the details. To be successful in motorsports you've gotta sweat the details like a fat man on a treadmill. Good enough is never good enough. ONLY PERFECT is good enough.

The "good enough" attitude of the general drift community is the primary reason that we've got soooooooo many shitbox "missile" cars and so few nice, clean examples left. There is very little encouragement for precision and skill, and no importance whatsoever to patience and hard work. There is very little importance attached to learning about ACTUALLY driving a car. All these kids just up and decide one day on their lunchbreak in high school that they're going to be a "drifter" because it's super cool. Nobody stops to advise the kid that jumping right into drifting is probably a bad idea. Nobody advises the kid to go to some trackdays first and learn the basics of driving a car fast on a racetrack. Nobody suggests that going to a race driving school is a great idea. Nope, just jump right in! Who cares if you bash up the car almost immediately? I will argue that attitude to the death. All it leads to is shitty cars and shittier drivers.

The best drifters in the world are RACE drivers and drifting is simply a driving technique that they acquired along the way. THAT attitude I encourage. There is more to driving than simply drifting. Just because you're a decent "drifter" doesn't mean that you're a good DRIVER in ANY way. I encourage ALL of you to go out and learn about MORE than just drifting. Expand your automotive horizons, learn absolutely EVERYTHING you can.

Sometimes "elitist" assholes like me can have something useful to teach you, even if you don't agree with everything I say...


Enough of the rants, I'm done here. It was really just stubborn of me to continue this far. Do what you want, I can't stop you. BUT, I don't have to like it or be nice about it either. You'll just have to deal with that.

[bigs]

Originally Posted by racepar1

The difference between the fastest car in the field and the slowest is all in the details. To be successful in motorsports you've gotta sweat the details like a fat man on a treadmill. Good enough is never good enough. ONLY PERFECT is good enough.

All this talk about sweating and treadmills, and I noticed this picture in your gallery...



I guess you don't practice what you preach. Does the track you go to give you a handicap?

[mechanicalmoron]

Originally Posted by racepar1

You missed my point completely. If you're going to run a splitter, run a proper one. If you're going to participate in a "motorsport" that eats fiberglass aero and in which downforce is inconsequential, don't run ANY aero. You can go out and bash the stock urethane bumper on whatever you want.



What a coincidence, I don't care what anyone else thinks either...



Thanks, you're so smart...



I prefer to attempt to apply that kind of F1 attention to detail to my own vehicle. Why? Because those are the kind of cars that I grew up with. In all my years working the pits the biggest thing that I have learned is this: The difference between the fastest car in the field and the slowest is all in the details. To be successful in motorsports you've gotta sweat the details like a fat man on a treadmill. Good enough is never good enough. ONLY PERFECT is good enough.

The "good enough" attitude of the general drift community is the primary reason that we've got soooooooo many shitbox "missile" cars and so few nice, clean examples left. There is very little encouragement for precision and skill, and no importance whatsoever to patience and hard work. There is very little importance attached to learning about ACTUALLY driving a car. All these kids just up and decide one day on their lunchbreak in high school that they're going to be a "drifter" because it's super cool. Nobody stops to advise the kid that jumping right into drifting is probably a bad idea. Nobody advises the kid to go to some trackdays first and learn the basics of driving a car fast on a racetrack. Nobody suggests that going to a race driving school is a great idea. Nope, just jump right in! Who cares if you bash up the car almost immediately? I will argue that attitude to the death. All it leads to is shitty cars and shittier drivers.

The best drifters in the world are RACE drivers and drifting is simply a driving technique that they acquired along the way. THAT attitude I encourage. There is more to driving than simply drifting. Just because you're a decent "drifter" doesn't mean that you're a good DRIVER in ANY way. I encourage ALL of you to go out and learn about MORE than just drifting. Expand your automotive horizons, learn absolutely EVERYTHING you can.

Sometimes "elitist" assholes like me can have something useful to teach you, even if you don't agree with everything I say...


Enough of the rants, I'm done here. It was really just stubborn of me to continue this far. Do what you want, I can't stop you. BUT, I don't have to like it or be nice about it either. You'll just have to deal with that.

All that is fine.

But it doesn't make budgets magically grow, or wood magically NOT a totally reasonable building material.

This is a strawman. I hate seeing good cars destroyed by driftards, I hate the "culture" of trashing shit and thinking that zipties are cool, or even acceptable, and parting out the cars that I like with no more thought than those people put into flushing the toilet, often when there isn't even anything wrong with it.

But none of that translates into a disdain for wood. It's totally unfit for many roles, but it just happens that it's perfectly fit for a budget option that still performs fine for this role. So, what's the problem?

I totally understand your attitude if applied to fake parts, even cosmetic ones: they're not just a cheaper option, they're FAKE. But this isn't, it's fabricated because someone feels that they actually need that part, and wood is an accessible affordable building material that will do a good job.

[bigs]

[xoxide]

Originally Posted by bigs

All this talk about sweating and treadmills, and I noticed this picture in your gallery...



I guess you don't practice what you preach. Does the track you go to give you a handicap?

That front lip isnt giving you any aerodynamic advantage... Shouldnt be on your car good sir.

And those skate shoes arent proper track day footwear either.

[racepar1]

Originally Posted by bigs

All this talk about sweating and treadmills, and I noticed this picture in your gallery...



I guess you don't practice what you preach. Does the track you go to give you a handicap?

I know I said I was done, but REALLY??? A lame attempt at a fat joke??? What is this junior high???

You could have just asked if I was fat, I'm not ashamed...

Originally Posted by xoxide

That front lip isnt giving you any aerodynamic advantage... Shouldnt be on your car good sir.

And those skate shoes arent proper track day footwear either.

As a point of fact, actually yes the lip does help. The most basic way to make downforce (nascar) is to allow as little air as possible under the car and allow a large area under the car for that small amount of air to expand into. This creates a high pressure area on top of the bodywork and a low pressure area under the car. The difference in those pressures is downforce. Granted that lip with no sideskirts or spoiler isn't going to make hardly any downforce and that was absolutely not the primary point of running it.

I've got sparco race shoes now, I'm mad proper yO!!! They've even been properly sitting on a shelf un-used since 2009! Kids have been a brick fucking wall to my motorsports obsession, worth it, but a TOTAL wall...

[collegekid]

Racepar, just chill man. It's not worth you frying brain cells over this. Read on


I seem to find more of these " Legit vs knockoff " type of threads over and over.
-Knock off people usually have arguments like
1. It's super cheap, great for entry level people
2. Does the same job
3. Mainly just money based arguments and using few success stories as proof****

-Legit part supporters say stuff like
1. Technical specs on why it's better
2. Price isn't really a lot since there is a lot of engineering behind the pricetag (There usually is)
3. People buying knockoffs are assholes ruining the scene
4. Buying knockoffs makes the price go up for the good parts
Similar to movie theater ticket prices going up because of online piracy


IMO
- Buy what YOU want and what YOU can afford to buy/do.
-As long as it does not affect you ( You are person B in this example) than do not worry about what they (Person A in this example ) does/buys.
1. For example, Person A's knockoff wood splitter flies off at the track and hits your windshield making you crash, then I will help you in beating the shit out of Person A.
2. Person A's knockoff body kit breaks/ knockoff suspension arm breaks and makes you crash, then I will be there for you babe, and I will beat the shit out of Person A.
3. Person A has a knockoff purse and it's raining; you get struck by lightning. Guess what Dawg, Person A is gon' learn today.


In short, who the fuck cares what someone else uses on their car as long as it doesn't affect you in any real way or kill/hurt anyone else. If using plywood will set their car on fire, let it be. If someone else wants to save $100 by getting Extreme dimensions fenders vs Origin, let it be. If they wanna save $150 by getting Isis/Megan coils vs Apexi/BC racing/ Fortune Auto, Let it be.

If you are a Doctor, don't worry about what the other fucking doctors are doing, worry about yourself.

In contrast, not everything in life needs to be the highest quality engineered shit and not all knockoffs have success stories. My $4.99 sweater keeps me warmer than my American Eagle/ Name brand sweaters. My $30 shoes last me a year, which is just as long as the $90 ones I had last time. On the flip side, I buy Coca cola and not Americas choice soda. I buy Samsung, Sony, and LG appliances because I know they outlast their warranties. The knockoff brands barely survive the same warranty period and maybe have like $100 difference.



Plus, mostly cheap ass kids browse the forum. Most people with real jobs and real goals are too busy doing shit instead of hanging out on Zilvia all day.

[lflkajfj12123]

Originally Posted by Matej

Which stain finish would look best on a red car?
I am thinking Colonial Maple.

LOL you're killing me with this shit

[racepar1]

Originally Posted by collegekid

Plus, mostly cheap ass kids browse the forum. Most people with real jobs and real goals are too busy doing shit instead of hanging out on Zilvia all day.

Actually I have been thoroughly surprised by how many people with ACTUAL money I have run into around here in the last 6 months or so. Your point, however, is valid.

Originally Posted by s0apgun

LOL you're killing me with this shit

I would be REALLY interested in knowing more about that material. I would be willing to bet that it's extremely expensive hardwood and probably specially treated to be more durable, similar to jabroc. That pic was posted in another thread with a similar topic a few years ago though.

[zerodameaon]

Bet you it is just jabroc

Mulsanne's Corner News, May/June 2012




EDIT:
A reverse image search reveals it is rosewood(supposedly) and no doubt just turned into jabroc from veneers.
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/a...al-report-lmp/

[Zero-Offset]

Originally Posted by KoukiMonsta

Matej, you make the best threads.

I would enjoy a beer with you

Keep up the great work

message
fuckin
length.

[Brian]

Did we get the answer yet?

[ayuaddict]

Matej,

I use plywood for splitter construction.

For the Hondas so far, but I will probably do the same for the S13, S30, and maybe even AE86 if bumper damage becomes an actual issue and I can make sure carbs won't leak fuel onto it lol.

I don't really imagine it being an issue with hydroplaning.

However, in every one of my S13s I have raised the engine 20mm-25mm or so for ground clearance. I feel this it is a very important part with virtually no drawbacks other than having to cut into the hood a bit.

[DialedLife]

What about wooden scrap plates? I hit my frame rails on speed bumps . My friend told me to put 2x4s along my rails. Good idea?

[S14DB]

Originally Posted by DialedLife

What about wooden scrap plates? I hit my frame rails on speed bumps . My friend told me to put 2x4s along my rails. Good idea?

Key is hardwood(Jabroc) not soft wood like pine.

2x4's would be thick. 1x4 would be more ideal. Make sure you counter sink the wholes. Seal in some nutserts into the rails instead of screwing directly into it. Bevel the ends if the wood too.

[racepar1]

Originally Posted by DialedLife

What about wooden scrap plates? I hit my frame rails on speed bumps . My friend told me to put 2x4s along my rails. Good idea?

2x4's would be too thick. You would have to use something like 1/2" plywood, maybe even thinner. I would look into aluminum rather than wood personally. Wood would wear very quickly and need to be replaced frequently. Aluminum would last longer and wouldn't cost much more. Jabroc would be ideal, but that shit's expensive. Either way that's a solid idea for skid plates on a 240. Set the thickness of the plates so they contact the ground before the exhaust. If you ran them all the way down the frame rails they would even save the exhaust from speedbumps.

I REALLY like that idea actually!

[DialedLife]

Sorry guys, that wasn't meant to be taken seriously. I guess I'm bad at trolling. I feel like this thread really wandered too quickly. Iwas hoping to learn some things about hydroplaning

[Matej]

Dear skid plate hobbyists,
Which skid plates clear the Nismo Power Brace? Does the Xcessive skid plate clear it?

Thank you kindly.

[zerodameaon]

Originally Posted by racepar1

2x4's would be too thick. You would have to use something like 1/2" plywood, maybe even thinner. I would look into aluminum rather than wood personally. Wood would wear very quickly and need to be replaced frequently. Aluminum would last longer and wouldn't cost much more. Jabroc would be ideal, but that shit's expensive. Either way that's a solid idea for skid plates on a 240. Set the thickness of the plates so they contact the ground before the exhaust. If you ran them all the way down the frame rails they would even save the exhaust from speedbumps.

I REALLY like that idea actually!

I was just thinking about the idea of welding some metal to the bottom of my frame rails today somewhat along these lines. Seems like a solid idea. Granted best plan would be to make your exhaust tuck up above the rails but that is not always possible.