The Future Automotive Thread

[1 88 U]

Originally Posted by turbo2nr

Can you chop this with a realistic bumper that extends ahead of the headlights? Like the rocket bunny chop.

[cured13]

these in 4-door can be very practical to


I'm sure it shouldn't be a problem for Nissan designers.
Can you chop that fenders and maybe add some SSR's,
thanks dude!

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Frank_Jaeger

Where's the I4 turbo?

It's a $4k turbo kit away. I thought you people knew how to work on cars..

[GabeS14]

This is currently my fav thread because people post a lot of informed/knowledgeabe comments and opinions...that mostly make some sort of sense....

I am on a similar thread on the M3 forum, where they are bitching at the new M4 because its gonne be 3.0 L turbo with 30 more hp and almost 150 more torque then the current m3... and they still find reasons to criticise it... with close minded conservative ignorant comments that dont make sense at all..

first they bitch because the M3 has low torque compared to it's HP...now they say "its gonna too torquey... gonna handle like ass..turbos make the car blow up..blah blah....lol
its so frustrating..small minds that are scared of change bother the hell outta me..

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by Corbic

It's a $4k turbo kit away. I thought you people knew how to work on cars..

If I'm shelling out $26k+ for a new car, I'd like realistic ways to significantly increase power output without immediately avoiding my warranty. BPU's like catback exhaust, down pipes, CAI, injectors and a tune will fly under the radar and be easier to undo than some off the shelf turbo kit.

I don't want some dealer tech saying: "Hey, this guy replaced his entire damn manifold, bolted on a turbo & moved all kinda shit around to make room for this shoddy intercooler piping! That's obviously the reason his shit blew up! Screw you, consumer! Warranty claim: denied fool!"

If the car is gonna come with a warranty, I'm gonna use that shit and get every penny's worth of what I paid for. *SNIP* oil changes, damn tire rotations, tune ups, washer fuild refills. Hell, all that shit. So, no major mods that will OBVIOUSLY void the warranty for me. No thanks. If something major goes wrong, I don't want that shit coming back on me.

Once the warranty expires? Oh hell yeah, go nuts on that shit.

[corry29]

Originally Posted by Matej

Who cares what it looks like. All I see is a new engine for my 240SX.

I know this comment was two day ago, but HAHAHAHA! Hella good!

*Thumbs up*

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by simmode1

If I'm shelling out $26k+ for a new car, I'd like realistic ways to significantly increase power output without immediately avoiding my warranty. BPU's like catback exhaust, down pipes, CAI, injectors and a tune will fly under the radar and be easier to undo than some off the shelf turbo kit.

Those will all void your warranty if you have engine/turbo failure. It will also cause you to fail SMOG if that matters in your area. Manufacturers are getting smarter too.

Also just because a car comes with a turbo doesn't mean 150whp is a ecu-flash away . GC 1.0 had a tiny ass turbo as do many volkswagens. How much power is the stock Turbo Juke making? POS SR20DET is barely able to make 240whp.


[QUOTE=simmode1;5485216]
I don't want some dealer tech saying: "Hey, this guy replaced his entire damn manifold, bolted on a turbo & moved all kinda shit around to make room for this shoddy intercooler piping! That's obviously the reason his shit blew up! Screw you, consumer! Warranty claim: denied fool!"/QUOTE]

Yeah, because when you show up with a FMIC, Turbo-back, reflash ecu, injectors and gauges they won't go "hmmm.... "

And if you're shit did blow up, I got $100 that say's it was because of your mods and not because of manufacturer defect. Just like all the kids with the toasted Evo and SRT-4 clutches back in 2004.

Originally Posted by simmode1

If the car is gonna come with a warranty, I'm gonna use that shit and get every penny's worth of what I paid for. *SNIP* oil changes, damn tire rotations, tune ups, washer fuild refills. Hell, all that shit. So, no major mods that will OBVIOUSLY void the warranty for me. No thanks. If something major goes wrong, I don't want that shit coming back on me.

Once the warranty expires? Oh hell yeah, go nuts on that shit.

Typical 240SX Owner - Broke ass.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by simmode1

Yeah, the lack of a mod friendly factory turbo setup is a big problem for me. Its a make or break kinda thing. Getting to a target like 300hp+ in a car like an FRS, S2000 or RX8 is alot more expensive than it is in a car like Solstice/Sky turbo or Genesis coupe 2.0T, etc...

How the *SNIP* do you figure?

First, the Skytice cost $30,400 when new, 5 years ago. I've stated a hundred times now that a factory turbo FRZ would cost $6,000 to $8,000 more than the current cars. This is very evident by the costing of Subaru's existing product line up.

Would you be all over a $32k 270hp BRZ? I doubt it. You'd bitch it's to expensive and wait for it to be $7,000 used.

Second, if you want to make any "serious" power out of a turbo car, you are still need to full monte. Injectors, FMIC, turbo-back, ecu-tuning and turbo upgrades. The issue is not whether or not the car is factory turbo'ed, it's whether or not the installation of these parts is easy and how much power the engine can withstand.

The 350/370Z suck with installation. The cramped V6 engine bay makes it a nightmare job and often includes major complications like overheating the a/c system. Worse yet, the old VQ35DE sucks balls under boost. That shit pops at 400hp.

If I'm dropping an extra $8k for a more powerful car. it better be GOD DAMN POWERFUL. 300hp is *SNIP SNIP* shit these days.

Originally Posted by simmode1

I don't know why some ppl feel like you must choose between either power or handling. I want both. In an inexpensive 2+2.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

When you build a car to a price point you give up something. Toyota build the FRS to the $25k price point. They wanted it to be light and handle great and have great fuel economy. Something had to give. It's on it's own chassis, so it's not like they could just drop a bigger motor in a Neon or Focus.

The GC obviously makes more power, but it's also a *SNIP* ton heavier and bigger because to save money it had to share a chassis with the Genesis Sedan. Mustangs and Camaros can be what they are because they sell over 100k units a year. The Skystice is dead.

Toyota is feeling the market at this time. They have ~13,000 cars sold at the $25k range. No doubt they are gauging to see if people would actually BUY a $32k turbo-trd FRS.

I know damn well no one here or on NICO would.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by zerodameaon

We be *SNIP* then, NICO tried to talk to them, tried to show the interest in a cheap RWD chassis, and Nissan just laughed and told them to go play with the Juke.

Nissan listens to actual new car buyers. Not dumb-asses on web-forms driving 30 year old junkers bitching about drift-taxes. Have you, or any of the people bitching bought a new car in the last 2-3 years?

That is what Nissan wants. New car buyers. Not people that swear they will buy it, then never do because it's either to-expensive, not factory turbo or they could buy a used Turbo-Porsche or some shit for less.

I suspect the logic behind the Juke was to compete for Mini-Couper and Scion buyers... people that buy, well new cars. Nissan makes no money off any of our broke asses and or "legacy" cars.

This is just like how Porsche could give a *SNIP* that AIr-Cooled die-hards got bent out of shape over the Boxster and Cayenne.

[Frank_Jaeger]

Originally Posted by Corbic

It's a $4k turbo kit away. I thought you people knew how to work on cars..

Voiding the powertrain warranty on a vehicle you're still making payments on. Seems like an intelligent decision to me. I was pointing out your inability to fully comprehend what he was asking for in a new production vehicle. Somehow you figured an FRS would meet his criteria, which it simply does not. Hence my response.

[simmode1]

Corbic, sometimes I agree with you and sometimes I don't.

This is one time where I don't. I'm not looking for 150whp out of simple BPU's. That's not rational. But about 50-60whp and a nice torque bump can change the character of a car like this in the 2700lbs weight class.

Best scenario is like the upgrades the GM offered for the Skystice, as you call them. Now that was a nice deal... I'm looking for 'bang for your buck'. Call me cheap or a brokeass if you want to. Not a single *SNIP* is given.

[cured13]

It looks like Corbic is a Car Dealer, work for one or is brainwashed by one.

Here we represent interest and opinions of a buyers.

Don't forget that lots of people here have 2 or 3 cars in their household and are not "ass broke".
Most of us started with used car and when we get ready to buy a new car we like to have one that down the road can become our project and replace tired 240sx.
I have s13 that is my hobby and I drive it 5 months a year max.
Now, I would like to replace my primary car (Toyota) with something new that I can play with in a couple of years.
Just because I still like my s13 I was hopping that Nissan will understand my needs and offer something as good as 180sx or better in the same price range.
Ignorance of Nissan executives pissed me off for many years but now is just to much.

Don't forget that I'm a buyer and my cash is still in "my pocket" and that car manufacturer is the one that should do everything to please me not the other way around.

Not only that Nissan will not get my money but they will loose a customer.
Now, you think I can be ignored?
Think again:
- my family members replace their cars every couple of years and will come to me for final opinion on which car to get
- my friends know me as a guy who love and know about cars. They will be heavily influenced by my opinions
- everywhere there is a discussion about cars my voice will be heard and gues what,
my opinion won't be pretty about a brand that don't give a f... about what customers think or want.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Frank_Jaeger

Voiding the powertrain warranty on a vehicle you're still making payments on. Seems like an intelligent decision to me. I was pointing out your inability to fully comprehend what he was asking for in a new production vehicle. Somehow you figured an FRS would meet his criteria, which it simply does not. Hence my response.

People make payments on used cars all the time with out warranties.

People turbo and engine swap their sole daily drivers a the time.

Chipping a turbo car voids your warranty.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by cured13

It looks like Corbic is a Car Dealer, work for one or is brainwashed by one.

The fact that I sound that way to you means I'm right.

Originally Posted by cured13

Here we represent interest and opinions of a buyers.

Used sports car buyers that is.

Originally Posted by cured13

Don't forget that lots of people here have 2 or 3 cars in their household and are not "ass broke".

How many of those cars are brand new sports cars?

More likely those other cars, even if new, are practical appliance cars to support the wife, kids and work commute.

Originally Posted by cured13

Most of us started with used car and when we get ready to buy a new car we like to have one that down the road can become our project and replace tired 240sx.

Illogical at best.

Originally Posted by cured13

I have s13 that is my hobby and I drive it 5 months a year max.

Proving my point above, that if you had the cash for a "new" car, you'd buy a practical daily that supports you +7 months a year.

Originally Posted by cured13

Now, I would like to replace my primary car (Toyota) with something new that I can play with in a couple of years.

Was that 'Yota new or just new-to-you?

Originally Posted by cured13

Just because I still like my s13 I was hopping that Nissan will understand my needs

They don't give a *SNIP* about your need. Get it in your head.

Originally Posted by cured13

and offer something as good as 180sx or better in the same price range.

Turbo S15 would be over $30k today.

Originally Posted by cured13

Ignorance of Nissan executives pissed me off for many years but now is just to much.

...ok

Originally Posted by cured13

Don't forget that I'm a buyer and my cash is still in "my pocket" and that car manufacturer is the one that should do everything to please me not the other way around.

Now who is ignorant. What/when was the last time you bought a brand new car? Car Manufacturers are in the buiness of selling new cars.

They build what sells.

Originally Posted by cured13

Not only that Nissan will not get my money but they will loose a customer.

Stop the presses! Kid on the Internet who can't afford new sports cars won't buy new car!

Nissan cares as much as Porsche cared when I declared my refusal to buy the new 991 GT3 after learning it was PDK only.

Originally Posted by cured13

Now, you think I can be ignored?

Yes.

Originally Posted by cured13

Think again:
- my family members replace their cars every couple of years and will come to me for final opinion on which car to get

So your family buys new cars... not you.

Originally Posted by cured13

- my friends know me as a guy who love and know about cars. They will be heavily influenced by my opinions

So you will dick your friends out of a Altima or Sentra cause Nissan doesn't love you?

Originally Posted by cured13

- everywhere there is a discussion about cars my voice will be heard and gues what,
my opinion won't be pretty about a brand that don't give a f... about what customers think or want.

But you are not a customer. Just a whiny broke ass who doesn't want his mom to buy a Maxima because you wanna drifto car for $179 a month with $2000 down.

Trust me. No matter what Nissan comes out with, you won't buy it for one or another reasons.

There is no "pent up demand" for turbo 2+2 sports cars.

[Corbic]

Ewwww grosss!!!

It's RWD

It's 300hp turbo 4

It's under $30,000

It's 2+2

It's going to be smaller and lighter

It's going to have a huge after market

It's IRS


But *SNIP* that its domo-estac!!

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...sounds-like-it

[Frank_Jaeger]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Ewwww grosss!!!

It's RWD

It's 300hp turbo 4

It's under $30,000

It's 2+2

It's going to be smaller and lighter

It's going to have a huge after market

It's IRS


But *SNIP* that its domo-estac!!

Is This Ford?s Four-Cylinder EcoBoost 2015 Mustang? Sure Sounds Like It

Too bad the steering wheel won't work.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Frank_Jaeger

Too bad the steering wheel won't work.

Yeah, cause spanking M3s is sooo lame.

[Chronicle]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Ewwww grosss!!!

It's RWD

It's 300hp turbo 4

It's under $30,000

It's 2+2

It's going to be smaller and lighter

It's going to have a huge after market

It's IRS


But *SNIP* that its domo-estac!!

Is This Ford?s Four-Cylinder EcoBoost 2015 Mustang? Sure Sounds Like It

I was hoping Ford would revive the SVO Mustang. If its successful for Ford, I'm sure it'll be an extra nudge to other manufacturers to do the same. This will definitely have a one up on the current light FR coupes, at least in sales numbers.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Chronicle

I was hoping Ford would revive the SVO Mustang. If its successful for Ford, I'm sure it'll be an extra nudge to other manufacturers to do the same. This will definitely have a one up on the current light FR coupes, at least in sales numbers.

Honestly I feel the opposite. It will be the nail in the coffin. Ford can do this because the Mustang is such a powerful brand in itself. They sell over 100k units a year. They already have an amazing turbo-4, unlike Nissan and Toyota.

Ford is also pushing the Ecoboost in mas across all of their vehicle line up.

So for the 10-15k turbo rwd new car buyers out there.... this car will steal 5-10k. The rest will be just shuffled existing Mustang buyers and Hyundai could cancel future GC plans.

Some V6 buyers want a more tunable faster Mustsng, some V8 buyers want a more inexpensive and thrifty performance car.

The V8 is also expected to climb in price and power. I saw the Boss may end up over 500hp N/A.

V-Hate please.

[Fries]

I'm just looking forward to the 20kish V6 model with IRS. That'll have me sold.

[simmode1]

From that article, it seems doubtful Ford is bringing the turbo Stang to the states. Which makes sense to me. I don't see room for both the turbo and V6 models in the same market. Personally, I'd rather have the turbo model at the V6's price.

Ford's taking this global marketing thing for the Mustang very seriously. Sounds like the new Mustang is gonna be really good...

[cured13]

No Corbic, because you are a Car Dealer, work for one or are brainwashed by one doesn't mean you are right, quite opposite in fact.

All that ignorance, insults and negativity toward people for sure will get you "there".
Just go to any bar at night and open you mouth.

[SimpleS14]

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by cured13

No Corbic, because you are a Car Dealer, work for one or are brainwashed by one doesn't mean you are right, quite opposite in fact.

*SIGH*

*SNIP* I have to break it down for you.

You are calling me a car dealer - why?

Because I'm saying the same thing any dealer or manufacturer would say?

Brainwashed? How? Do you understand how capitalism work? There is no secrete agenda here or conspiracy. The car companies are not covering up data to hide 2+2 RWD Turbo-4 demand.

Take a marketing class or something, then maybe you could keep up with the conversation.


Lets put some stuff in perspective.

GC -
2011: 2,809
2012: 1,773
2013: 1,691

Miata -
2011: 5,674
2012: 6,305
2013: 5,167

FRS -
2011:
2012: 11,417
2013: 16,000

370Z-
2011: 7,328
2012: 7,338
2013: 5,648

Altima-
2011: 268,981
2012: 302,934
2013: 271,303

Juke
2011: 35,886
2012: 36,358
2013: 31,635

Now what cars, and what customers do you think Nissan cares about more? Did you even know the Evo will be dead in a few months?

peaking at the Tokyo motor show today, Ryugo Nakao, product planning boss for the Japanese manufacturer, says the Evolution line as we know it will stop with the 10th generation.
"We can not do both environmental protection and sports car development at the same time," he says.
"Therefore we would like to focus on the development of electric vehicles.
"Evolution 10 is the last model with petrol engine."
Nakao says an all-new, electric Evo may go on sale when the time amd technology is right. But such a car is several years away, and not an important part of current product planning.

Originally Posted by cured13

All that ignorance, insults and negativity toward people for sure will get you "there".

I'm sorry you think basic facts are condescending and insulting. Did I strike a nerve? Sounds like a small man syndrome.

There are three types of car buyers. Those that buy new cars. They seemingly always buy a new car every 3-4 years. It's what they like. Those that buy late model used cars. They see more value in buying a used BMW for $20k instead of a loaded new Fiesta for 20k. Then those that are broke *SNIP* that buy $3k used cars.

Most on this forum and places like NICO are the latter two. Either buying a used car to get more bang and/or modify the piss out of it, or they are just broke asses.

There is nothing wrong or condescending about that. But some kid crying on Zilvia about wanting a new S16 that demographically and statistically he could never afford, doesn't exactly peak Nissan's interest. Just like my example of me being pissed over the 991 GT3 being PDK only now. Porsche would simply ask "how many GT3's have you bought?

Porsche would say -
2011 - 6016
2012- 8528
...followed by a "*SNIP* off"

Originally Posted by cured13

Just go to any bar at night and open you mouth.

How else you supposed to drink beer?

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by simmode1

From that article, it seems doubtful Ford is bringing the turbo Stang to the states. Which makes sense to me. I don't see room for both the turbo and V6 models in the same market. Personally, I'd rather have the turbo model at the V6's price.

Ford's taking this global marketing thing for the Mustang very seriously. Sounds like the new Mustang is gonna be really good...

When the car launches, it will carry over both the 3.7-liter V6 and “Coyote” 5.0-liter V8 which offer 305 hp and 420 hp respectively, but just months after launch, that will all change according to Car and Driver.

By far the biggest addition coming to the ‘Stang’s powertrains is a 2.3-liter turbocharged four-cylinder that is going to make 310 hp. This small turbo four will be sold as an up-market option compared to the naturally aspirated V6 which should be warranted thanks to a mileage gain along with a high, flat torque curve. Updates to the base 3.7-liter will be minimal, but the 5.0 is getting a tuning job, bumping up its horsepower ratings to 500. The brand’s 3.5-liter EcoBoost V6 is also being considered for the car, but it won’t find its way under the hood until at least 2017.

2015 Mustang Specs Leaked, 2.3-liter Turbo Confirmed | AutoGuide.com News


MMMmm the crow tastes good.

[kingkilburn]

I guess since you are *SNIP*, I have to break it down for you.

Sounds pretty racist to me. . .



All the other uncalled for personal attacks and weak arguments don't help.

[mechanicalmoron]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Ewwww grosss!!!

It's RWD

It's 300hp turbo 4

It's under $30,000

It's 2+2

It's going to be smaller and lighter

It's going to have a huge after market

It's IRS


But *SNIP* that its domo-estac!!

Is This Ford?s Four-Cylinder EcoBoost 2015 Mustang? Sure Sounds Like It

v6 mustangs get lots of shit.... how 'bout that i4?

It's one thing to have a fast car for it's class/family/lineup/whatever. It's something else to go buy the slowest car in the whole lineup, even if it's not an objectively slow car.

It's like you shelled out just about as much money, for a lot less car, and to add insult to injury, it's the SAME car, yours is just the slow edition

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Sounds pretty racist to me. . .



All the other uncalled for personal attacks and weak arguments don't help.

What personal attacks? *SNIP*

[kingkilburn]

If I'm buying a Mustang and the coyote is available I'm not even considering a turbo 4. That is just stupid. This isn't the days of totally unbalanced pony cars with lard ass big blocks.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by mechanicalmoron

It's like you shelled out just about as much money, for a lot less car, and to add insult to injury, it's the SAME car, yours is just the slow edition

It's an $8k swing between the V6 and V8 Mustangs. That swing will grow with the next Gen as the V8 gets more powerful. The V6 really is just for the person that wants a nice coupe with some grunt. The V6's only problem is that the V8 exists.