The Future Automotive Thread

[dorkidori_s13]

lol, this guy up here hahhaha

i think drift_freaq would probably beat me, exitspeed, corbic, kilburn and the rest of the country to the front of the line to put in a down payment! so im pretty sure your comment about pre-ordering above is quite moot.

no trying to throw gas on the fire, just saying...

[kingkilburn]

Who in their right mind preorders a $60 video game let alone a $25,000 car?

I have confidence that Nissan can build a great sports car if they want to but I'm not betting 25 Gs to be the first to find out they didn't.

[dorkidori_s13]

youre grouchy today kyle :P

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by jamanrr

All I heard was anal flap from some guy who probably would not pre-order nor buy this car when it came out to begin with. Nissan has me as long as the car is delivered correctly, I want a 6 speed RWD coupe with 220-260 hp a lot of options and a sub 25 - 30 g price tag. If you have that for me then my deposit is already there and were do I sign......

All I hear is insults and shit talk from someone who has lost an argument has to resort to insults because he has no ammunition.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

lol, this guy up here hahhaha

i think drift_freaq would probably beat me, exitspeed, corbic, kilburn and the rest of the country to the front of the line to put in a down payment! so im pretty sure your comment about pre-ordering above is quite moot.

no trying to throw gas on the fire, just saying...

Hahahaha I might even sell the BMW. Really? Naw but who knows. Of course if I really do go through with selling my s13.5 I could keep the BMW and buy a new car as well.

[jamanrr]

^^^ you are a persistent little cus are you not? You should really let it go while you in your mind are ahead. Cause it only goes down hill from here.

Hopefully Nissan will put some rebates and zero percent financing on it but I bet you will have to wait a little while for that. It took at least 6+ months before you saw that on the Juke.

[simmode1]

Don't feed the troll...

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by simmode1

Don't feed the troll...

That is my favorite (new) car on the planet at the moment. It's just so right.

I WILL own one, in white, one day.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

That is my favorite (new) car on the planet at the moment. It's just so right.

I WILL own one, in white, one day.

I love what the Indians have done with Jaguar and Land Rover. Not only if the F-type a car I want, it actually starts at a very competitive and realistic price. ($65k).

There is even rumor that a manual is on the way.

[Gnnr]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Cool shit. This thing is happening.

[racepar1]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

I would say Nissan is more successful in auto racing than Porsche because Nissan has done well in an extremely varied range of motorsports in very different vehicles, as well as designed and built engines for others to use(dat indycar v8).


Porsche has more or less just taken versions of the 911 gt racing and built one off prototype cars.

WOW, the ignorance in this post is staggering. Porsche is arguably the most successful Automakers in international motorsports in the history of the world my friend. Their only real gap in success is in open wheel racing (F1, Indy, etc...). They have succeeded at every level of GT racing, and every level of prototype racing. The 911 is also almost in-arguably the most successful GT racing platform in the history of the world. Very few cars have the longevity of the 911 when speaking about production and racing success. I can't think of one, actually, off the top of my head.

Realistically the only thing Nissan has to compare is their success in BS in the 70's and their DOMINATION in IMSA in the late 80's and early 90's. However as dominant as Nissan may have been in IMSA, they never took home the big trophy (Le Mans).

I LOVE Nissan's, but let's have a little reality check here. Porsche is on an ENTIERELY different level when speaking of motorsports success, mainly because they support it and pursue it so aggressively.

[kingkilburn]

WOW, the ignorance in this post is staggering.

Indeed. Your apparent ignorance is staggering. Let me pull out some key words for you.

Porsche is arguably the most successful...

The 911 is also almost...

Realistically the only thing Nissan has to compare

You need to do more reading and research my indignant friend. The fact that you only seem to be aware of one small aspect of Nissan's racing history and think one model line in essentially one kind of racing over decades equates to dominance is exactly why I said what I did.

Nissan has been involved in racing damn near anything with four wheels and they've done pretty well at everything they've entered.

[kingkilburn]

If you're curious why Nissan and the rest of the major Japanese automakers quit trying to win LeMans just look at all the absurd rule changes levied against them in the 90s and early 2000s. Every last thing any of them were good at was made illegal.

[exitspeed]

I wish there were "likes" on here. So much good going on in here.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

I wish there were "likes" on here. So much good going on in here.

I think a "hate it" button would be more appropriate for Zilvia.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Originally Posted by Corbic

I think a "hate it" button would be more appropriate for Zilvia.

"hate"

Can we bring back rep just for one day? Actually, lets just bring back together so we can see who the cool kids are nowadays...

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by simmode1

Don't feed the troll...

Ya I am not going to anymore.Ya the F type is sick, but its a Jaguar which is kinda scary in the reliability departmentt.lol

Originally Posted by racepar1

WOW, the ignorance in this post is staggering. Porsche is arguably the most successful Automakers in international motorsports in the history of the world my friend. Their only real gap in success is in open wheel racing (F1, Indy, etc...). They have succeeded at every level of GT racing, and every level of prototype racing. The 911 is also almost in-arguably the most successful GT racing platform in the history of the world. Very few cars have the longevity of the 911 when speaking about production and racing success. I can't think of one, actually, off the top of my head.

Realistically the only thing Nissan has to compare is their success in BS in the 70's and their DOMINATION in IMSA in the late 80's and early 90's. However as dominant as Nissan may have been in IMSA, they never took home the big trophy (Le Mans).

I LOVE Nissan's, but let's have a little reality check here. Porsche is on an ENTIERELY different level when speaking of motorsports success, mainly because they support it and pursue it so aggressively.

Honestly Aron you would do yourself a favor by clicking on the page link I posted awhile back and that does not even include quite a bit of the history outside the U.S. In fact King is right here.

NIssan indeed has a long and storied racing history as well that is not to be sneezed at. In terms of storied racing history's one could cite several makes that are not completely recognized for it yet none the less have it. Look what Chevrolet under GM has done with the Corvette. Look what Mercedes has done just to name a few. The point being to discount Nissan at all as being a minor success in racing is to be possibly ignorant of the documented history.

Oh and the definition of Ignorance is not stupidity its lack of knowledge. In other words if someone calls you ignorant its something you can overcome through learning.So its not the big insult some people take it as. Knowledge is key folks.

Let me repeat this for everyone for clarity's sake. I never dissed Porsche's long and storied racing history. Nor did I post the facts I did to start a debate.
A certain forum member tried to put that onus on me of dissing Porsche in his attempts to make me look bad and in his attempts to put down Nissan. Its ok to criticize something as you as you are not distorting or dismissing facts to do itt.

I did it to show him he was selling Nissan's past short. Something a lot of current members love to do. Either out of just not knowing the history or not caring because they really don't care.

[Gnnr]

That F-Type is nice, not sure how I feel about that exhaust note, the raspyness can get annoying after a while.

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by Gnnr

That F-Type is nice, not sure how I feel about that exhaust note, the raspyness can get annoying after a while.

Easy to change.

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Ya I am not going to anymore.Ya the F type is sick, but its a Jaguar which is kinda scary in the reliability departmentt.lol

Not so easy to change...lol... Yeah, their quality might have improved beyond their reputation, but unlike Hyundai & Kia, Jaguar's cars are too expensive for most of us to know that.

Although, the F-Type is pretty competivitely priced.

[racepar1]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Indeed. Your apparent ignorance is staggering. Let me pull out some key words for you.









You need to do more reading and research my indignant friend. The fact that you only seem to be aware of one small aspect of Nissan's racing history and think one model line in essentially one kind of racing over decades equates to dominance is exactly why I said what I did.

Nissan has been involved in racing damn near anything with four wheels and they've done pretty well at everything they've entered.

The only thing I didn't take into account is their success in off-road racing, and sporadic successes in rally racing. Nissan is by far the most successful JAPANESE manufacturer in international motorsports IMO, but the Europeans and some of the Americans have got them beat hands-down. Let me ask you a question. If YOU are so enlightened and I am ignorant, why don't you post some facts to enlighten me with? Do you have any facts to back-up your statements? Or are you just blindly following your allegiance to Nissan? Nissan's successes in motorsports are nothing to be scoffed at, but they have not nearly achieved the same level of success as Porsche. That is the honest to god truth, like it or not.

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

If you're curious why Nissan and the rest of the major Japanese automakers quit trying to win LeMans just look at all the absurd rule changes levied against them in the 90s and early 2000s. Every last thing any of them were good at was made illegal.

Every other manufacturer was also subjected to those SAME rule changes. Your statement is no sort of justification.

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Honestly Aron you would do yourself a favor by clicking on the page link I posted awhile back and that does not even include quite a bit of the history outside the U.S. In fact King is right here.

NIssan indeed has a long and storied racing history as well that is not to be sneezed at. In terms of storied racing history's one could cite several makes that are not completely recognized for it yet none the less have it. Look what Chevrolet under GM has done with the Corvette. Look what Mercedes has done just to name a few. The point being to discount Nissan at all as being a minor success in racing is to be possibly ignorant of the documented history.

Dave, you've got 29 of the 30 posts on each page. How in the hell am I supposed to dig up this link that you are speaking of???



You are right, Nissan's Motorsports history is NOTHING to be scoffed at. Like I said above IMO Nissan is the most successful Japanese manufacturer in motorsports. I simply don't think the Japanese as a whole have been very successful in international motorsports compared to the Europeans and Americans.

For many years the Japanese just kinda shut themselves off from the rest of the world for cultural reasons. Then they lost WW2, had 2 atomic bombs dropped on them, a shattered economy/infrastructure, and American occupation. Really Europe and America have a clear head start in motorsports.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Gnnr

That F-Type is nice, not sure how I feel about that exhaust note, the raspyness can get annoying after a while.

That is the "Type R", as in Race Car. It's their version of a GT3 I guess. The base and "Type S" are much more subdue and cost considerably less.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by racepar1

Nissan's successes in motorsports are nothing to be scoffed at, but they have not nearly achieved the same level of success as Porsche. That is the honest to god truth, like it or not.

Another important fact is the prestige of the trophies and awards. Coming in first for a regional SCCA Solo 1 competition is not nearly the same as sweeping Le Mans.

Originally Posted by racepar1

For many years the Japanese just kinda shut themselves off from the rest of the world for cultural reasons. Then they lost WW2, had 2 atomic bombs dropped on them, a shattered economy/infrastructure, and American occupation. Really Europe and America have a clear head start in motorsports.

Meh. It's a cultural thing that goes way back to before they ever saw their first white man. Europe had been ravaged by economic devastation several times in the 20th century and had fought two World Wars on their own soil. The allied bombings of German and France far exceeded the American bombings in Japan, then the continent was splint in half by the Soviet Occupation and the US Occupied Germany as well.

The US Occupation of Japan was one of the best things that could have happened for them.

[Corbic]

Just Say'n

[Corbic]

That also doesn't tell the whole story -

Porsche 930 (a production turbo 911) also took 11th, 13th, 15th, 20th, 26th and 50th place.

Nissan did not compete. Mazda took 12th and 18th place and Dome took 41st.

[Corbic]

Some '83 Lemans shots.

Blows my mind to see a "stockish" 930 going toe-to-toe with prototype super racers cars like this.







The Mazda cresting the hill.

[Corbic]

Some 510 vs 911 action for you guys.

[racepar1]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Another important fact is the prestige of the trophies and awards. Coming in first for a regional SCCA Solo 1 competition is not nearly the same as sweeping Le Mans.

I have 2 expansions on this statement...

1- This is why I keep stating INTERNETIONAL MOTORSPORTS specifically. The prestige of the trophies is MUCH more important than the total number of trophies. Ironically Porsche has a clear edge in both...

2- I love how the JDM fanbois think of time-attack as a Japanese thing. SCCA Solo-1 was sanctioned time-attack racing here in the US LONG before it became a "JDM" thing...

Meh. It's a cultural thing that goes way back to before they ever saw their first white man. Europe had been ravaged by economic devastation several times in the 20th century and had fought two World Wars on their own soil. The allied bombings of German and France far exceeded the American bombings in Japan, then the continent was splint in half by the Soviet Occupation and the US Occupied Germany as well.

The US Occupation of Japan was one of the best things that could have happened for them.

Good point, I would agree that it is mostly cultural. Europe had their issues as well, ESPECIALLY Germany specifically.

[jamanrr]

Is that Adam Carola in that 510 shot? I love Japanese cars and the things Mazda did to get them outlawed with the rotary was short of corruption on the international LeMans judges. However, you all have to know if you know your history that Japan makers have been copying the Germans for years. My 87 Conquest is nothing more than Mitsubishi's interpretation of the 944. A lot of the cool Japan GT cars that came out in the 80s and 90s had huge German influences.

[racepar1]

Originally Posted by jamanrr

I love Japanese cars and the things Mazda did to get them outlawed with the rotary was short of corruption on the international LeMans judges.

The issue with rotaries is how they "calculate" the displacement. The displacement is calculated by the capacity of one chamber of each rotor, which isn't necessarily correct. In a 720* rotation of a rotary engine, the same amount of degrees in which a piston engine fires all it's cylinders, each rotor fires MORE than once. IMO the displacement of a rotary should be calculated by how many times it fires in a 720* rotation as that is the most realistic way to compare it to a traditional piston type engine. For a while they ran 13b's in Formula Atlantic cars. We ran the Toyota 4AG and this topic was of constant debate. Luckily they restricted the hell out of the rotaries as time went on and they weren't consistently reliable enough to finish races. Speaking from experience I can say that they had VERY legitimate reasons to outlaw the rotaries. It was no sort of corruption, it was logical due to how the displacement was calculated, which was not a realistic way to calculate the displacement.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by jamanrr

Is that Adam Carola in that 510 shot? I love Japanese cars and the things Mazda did to get them outlawed with the rotary was short of corruption on the international LeMans judges. However, you all have to know if you know your history that Japan makers have been copying the Germans for years. My 87 Conquest is nothing more than Mitsubishi's interpretation of the 944. A lot of the cool Japan GT cars that came out in the 80s and 90s had huge German influences.

The RX-7 is nothing but a copy of the 924 and 944.

1977 924


1979 RX-7


944


FC3S




Now mind you, I like the RX-7 better than both.