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zeitgeist · 08-21-2014, 01:56 AM

Pointing fully automatic weapons is a very bad idea. You want to win the population not make them hate you even more
we only learned this after 15 years in afghanistan

I'm glad these protests and rioting are happening. Unfortunate this kid had to die to wake up the nation on the militarization police forces. Police need to start being held accountable, and trained not to use deadly force as the first option. They do it because it's easy to get away with

And where's the NRA/OpenCarry/Tea Party militias? Isn't this the exact scenario theyve been preaching about for years? I know why

theronin · 08-21-2014, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by zeitgeist

Pointing fully automatic weapons is a very bad idea. You want to win the population not make them hate you even more
we only learned this after 15 years in afghanistan

I'm glad these protests and rioting are happening. Unfortunate this kid had to die to wake up the nation on the militarization police forces. Police need to start being held accountable, and trained not to use deadly force as the first option. They do it because it's easy to get away with

And where's the NRA/OpenCarry/Tea Party militias? Isn't this the exact scenario theyve been preaching about for years? I know why

You wouldn't be glad these riots were happening if they were in your town.

Matej · 08-21-2014, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by zeitgeist

Unfortunate this kid had to die to wake up the nation on the militarization police forces.

The guy was some scumbag hooligan wannabe thug and I am pretty sure the officer did not just decide to shoot him for no reason. Bet all the individuals painting Michael Brown as a saint are the same people who would think twice about sitting next to him on public transportation late at night.
I am against the police as much as the next law-abiding resident, but this is not the right incident to rally behind.

08-21-2014, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Matej

The guy was some scumbag hooligan wannabe thug and I am pretty sure the officer did not just decide to shoot him for no reason. Bet all the individuals painting Michael Brown as a saint are the same people who would think twice about sitting next to him on public transportation late at night.
I am against the police as much as the next law-abiding resident, but this is not the right incident to rally behind.

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theronin · 08-21-2014, 05:49 PM

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What about it?

TMW · 08-21-2014, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by theronin

What about it?

Are you serious?

Corbic · 08-21-2014, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TMW

Are you serious?

Regardless of whatever - People need to understand a few things.

Most officers are poorly trained when it comes to using a fire-arm. Departments typically require some in class training and annual qualification. Qualification is typically shoot 5 rounds into a man-size target at 15 feet and demonstrate you can reload and properly draw your weapon.

There is also the adrenaline factor. Everyone is yelling, tense, weapons draw and "pop". This is why most cops struggle when asked "who fired first" or "why did you fire"? Someone fired... then they all fire, many times pulling the trigger until the target is visually down or they are out of ammo.

30 years ago out of ammo met 5-7 shots total. (Revolvers, 1911). Today, out of ammo means 12-17 shots... each. This is why you see "cops fired 37 times..." or "suspect shot 6 times".

Notice these are all terrible shot placement. It was not like the cop shot him 6 times in the chest. Those arm wounds are non-life threatening and would have done little to deter a close range assailant. Also, in the video, notice how fast those shots are fired. It's not long-range sniper stuff. Popopopop..... *guy falls down*

This isn't to excuse any of these cops - it's to explain why this stuff happens the way it does.

Several studies actually showed cops accuracy dropped dramatically with the transition from Revolvers to Semi-Autos and accidental firing, injury and other such incidence have increased.

http://americancopmagazine.com/legac...ied-revolvers/

This will blow your mind - China will start letting police cary fire arms...
http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2...ke-any-others/

Corbic · 08-21-2014, 08:23 PM

Another thing worth noting, as the news is bitching about it...

Black Cops.

The news made a squawk about how there are not enough black cops in Fergy land. Back in school we covered this general problem ad nauseam as there has been lots of research in the last 30 years on it.

A. It's hard to find qualified canadits. To be a police officer you have to graduate high school, have a clean police record, never have done drugs (been caught), be at least 20-21 and many areas now require some form of a post high school degree.

1 in 15 Black men is in jail and 1 in 3 is likely to be arrested at some point in his life. Those individuals that do qualify - having remained out of trouble, gone to school entered college - typically want NOTHING TO DO WITH Law Enforcement. They see better opportunities else where.

B. It doesn't do shit. Black offers actually play right into the stereo type of "cops go easy on whites and hard on colors". This is two fold -

First it's the "your making us look back" mentality. A black cop worked hard together and likely has an axel to grind with all the gang-bangers and trouble makers from his home town. He's not about to cut some punk slack just because they share skin-tone. Many interviewed officers say they are just tired of these kids and trouble makers making the community look bad. Additionally, black officers don't want to make trouble, so they often go easier on white suspects because last thing they want to deal with is a "omfg mean black cop yelled at my blonde daughter" non-sense.

Second - Brotherhood. For any cop, fellow cops become family. For black officers, blue becomes the new skin tone. Their fellow cops, whether white or brown or black mean more then whatever racial community they come from and they act accordingly.

C. Uncle Tom - believe it or not, while the communities often cry how unfair it is and how they want more representation from their own racial group - those cops from the area that are that same genetic background then get treated like crap. Many of these communities hate the police and to see a "black man" acting like a "white cop" just enrages them as a "kid from the suburbs coming into the hood" does. These black officers get treated especially harshly and in turn grow bitter to their own community which goes back to Reason A and B

D. Fuck this shit : Politicians often want cops to be from where they police. Thats cool in a nice upscale community* but as a cop, the last thing you wan to be is living next to the meth house or gang-club that you just raided. Worse yet, you know what a shit hole areas are so you don't want your family anywhere near it. It's a safety issue. So even if you higher local black officers, they quickly get the hell out of dodge.

Basically 30 years of research shows that the issue is not one of race. People assume a black-cop will get along with an understand a black community better. The problem isn't skin color but culture and context. A black cop is still a cop and sees the world as a cop. The community, regardless of race, still sees the world the way they do - so gang bangers are still bangers, hipster and tree huggers are still pussies and meth heads are still tweakers. So no mater what, that divide still exists.

* it's also hard to "community police" upscale areas as cops can't afford to live in those areas - but then we don't hear people crying about needing more cops to live in those communities...

Matej · 08-21-2014, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TMW

Are you serious?

There are a bunch of other black people in the video. How come they did not shoot them all for no reason?

Suicide by police is actually more common than one may think. Legally, they have a right to shoot you for the slightest movement indicating you are intending to touch them or reach for their weapon. Yes, it is kind of silly how scared they apparently are of everyone, but at the same time people should know better than to approach them when being screamed at not to.

The guy had a knife by the way, if you cannot tell from the video.

TMW · 08-21-2014, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Matej

There are a bunch of other black people in the video. How come they did not shoot them all for no reason?

Suicide by police is actually more common than one may think. Legally, they have a right to shoot you for the slightest movement indicating you are intending to touch them or reach for their weapon. Yes, it is kind of silly how scared they apparently are of everyone, but at the same time people should know better than to approach them when being screamed at not to.

The guy had a knife by the way, if you cannot tell from the video.

Yes, I read he had a knife. I didn't say if anything about the officer's legal right to shoot the man.

Obviously, there will not be any repercussions for killing the man because it was justified and the right thing to do...

If you seriously think that the best way to handle that situation was to fill the guy full of lead just because he walked toward them then maybe you should pursue a career in law enforcement. There was definitely no way the officers could have diffused the situation or used non-lethal force. Right?

Quick edit: As far as this being a racial incident, I don't really think it is. If the guy was white they would have probably shot him just as many times.

J3123MY · 08-21-2014, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by theronin

What about it?

Wow. Fucking cunt pigs. You're not suppose to shoot someone just because they told you to...

I have been told this by a pig. The reason every pig opens fire is to support the person who fired the first shot. When every pig shoots, it shows that all of them thought theirs or someone else's life was threatened.

Other cops will get mad at you if they opened fire and you did not, because it demonstrates that you thought there was no threat. Ever hear of the blue shield? Gangster pigs out to get us. Watch out.

Did you guys hear about the bank robbers in Stockton? The bank robbers took a hostage and all the pigs turned them into swiss cheese, including the hostage. So if someone takes you as a hostage, you better pray the cops don't show up.

chato de shamrock · 11-26-2014, 08:39 AM

It's about time we start highlighting the mistakes people do, not just the police. I'm glad I don't live in some third world country or Mexico were a good 30, 40% are corrupt and/or working for some drug cartel. We have it good in this country but our freedom are retard idea that rappers are right and we should follow what their dumb asses rap about (don't snitch) has spoiled this country. Anyway, you wanna avoid getting the stuffing knocked out of you then here's a good educational video.

08-21-2014, 01:56 AM	#1
zeitgeist Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cross Country Posts: 494 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	Pointing fully automatic weapons is a very bad idea. You want to win the population not make them hate you even more we only learned this after 15 years in afghanistan I'm glad these protests and rioting are happening. Unfortunate this kid had to die to wake up the nation on the militarization police forces. Police need to start being held accountable, and trained not to use deadly force as the first option. They do it because it's easy to get away with And where's the NRA/OpenCarry/Tea Party militias? Isn't this the exact scenario theyve been preaching about for years? I know why

08-21-2014, 08:23 PM	#8
Corbic Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: US Age: 41 Posts: 8,226 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	Another thing worth noting, as the news is bitching about it... Black Cops. The news made a squawk about how there are not enough black cops in Fergy land. Back in school we covered this general problem ad nauseam as there has been lots of research in the last 30 years on it. A. It's hard to find qualified canadits. To be a police officer you have to graduate high school, have a clean police record, never have done drugs (been caught), be at least 20-21 and many areas now require some form of a post high school degree. 1 in 15 Black men is in jail and 1 in 3 is likely to be arrested at some point in his life. Those individuals that do qualify - having remained out of trouble, gone to school entered college - typically want NOTHING TO DO WITH Law Enforcement. They see better opportunities else where. B. It doesn't do shit. Black offers actually play right into the stereo type of "cops go easy on whites and hard on colors". This is two fold - First it's the "your making us look back" mentality. A black cop worked hard together and likely has an axel to grind with all the gang-bangers and trouble makers from his home town. He's not about to cut some punk slack just because they share skin-tone. Many interviewed officers say they are just tired of these kids and trouble makers making the community look bad. Additionally, black officers don't want to make trouble, so they often go easier on white suspects because last thing they want to deal with is a "omfg mean black cop yelled at my blonde daughter" non-sense. Second - Brotherhood. For any cop, fellow cops become family. For black officers, blue becomes the new skin tone. Their fellow cops, whether white or brown or black mean more then whatever racial community they come from and they act accordingly. C. Uncle Tom - believe it or not, while the communities often cry how unfair it is and how they want more representation from their own racial group - those cops from the area that are that same genetic background then get treated like crap. Many of these communities hate the police and to see a "black man" acting like a "white cop" just enrages them as a "kid from the suburbs coming into the hood" does. These black officers get treated especially harshly and in turn grow bitter to their own community which goes back to Reason A and B D. Fuck this shit : Politicians often want cops to be from where they police. Thats cool in a nice upscale community* but as a cop, the last thing you wan to be is living next to the meth house or gang-club that you just raided. Worse yet, you know what a shit hole areas are so you don't want your family anywhere near it. It's a safety issue. So even if you higher local black officers, they quickly get the hell out of dodge. Basically 30 years of research shows that the issue is not one of race. People assume a black-cop will get along with an understand a black community better. The problem isn't skin color but culture and context. A black cop is still a cop and sees the world as a cop. The community, regardless of race, still sees the world the way they do - so gang bangers are still bangers, hipster and tree huggers are still pussies and meth heads are still tweakers. So no mater what, that divide still exists. * it's also hard to "community police" upscale areas as cops can't afford to live in those areas - but then we don't hear people crying about needing more cops to live in those communities...

11-26-2014, 08:39 AM	#12
chato de shamrock Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: L.A. Posts: 329 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	It's about time we start highlighting the mistakes people do, not just the police. I'm glad I don't live in some third world country or Mexico were a good 30, 40% are corrupt and/or working for some drug cartel. We have it good in this country but our freedom are retard idea that rappers are right and we should follow what their dumb asses rap about (don't snitch) has spoiled this country. Anyway, you wanna avoid getting the stuffing knocked out of you then here's a good educational video.