The Future Automotive Thread

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by Matej

Why are people complaining about this? It looks like the new Mustang, but slightly better.

You gotta be kidding. Have you need to have your eyes checked. That thing looks nothing like the Mustang. In fact it's hideous in my opinion.

[Matej]

Same fastback body shape, same giant front end, far spaced out headlights, oversized grill, giant emblem. But at least the headlights follow the lines of the body better so it does not look like a Sil80.

[feito]

[exitspeed]

It DOES look like a new Mustang.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

It DOES look like a new Mustang.

Only hideous. Obviously beauty is in the details.

[jumboflan]

FWD blah!!!! NO honda please.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Only hideous. Obviously beauty is in the details.

I do concur. The worst part about the Infinit is you can see some sexy body lines in the side profile that they could have ran with. Instead they mucked it up with upper and lower protruding accents that just destroy everything.

In fact that is were the differences between the similar design really set them apart. Ford stayed away from trying to make carved out swooping body shape in the side that makes the car a cleaner less cluttered to many things going design.
This is the exact same problem Hyundai had with the Genesis it had way to many carved out body lines not done properly. Here Infiniti aka Nissan fails.

Companies like Ferrari have made an art out of properly executed carved out body lines. Of course this also has to with Pininfarina doing the body design.

[exitspeed]

Holy shit the new Ford GT and Shelby GT350R!!
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/01/12/f...-detroit-2015/

[dorkidori_s13]

and there it is folks... say hello to the next Z motor! 3.0L V6 TT

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/01/11/i...bo-v6-detroit/

now im curious as to what nissan plans to do with the new 4cyl Turbo ive been told is being stuffed into a RWD platform (i wasnt told if it was the IDx or the Z35 though)

[SimpleS14]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Holy shit the new Ford GT and Shelby GT350R!!
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/01/12/f...-detroit-2015/

I commenced heavy breathing when I saw the new Ford GT.

I understand the powertrain is required to meet FIA regulations, but I was kind of hoping for an eight cylinder motor. Either way this is still an impressive vehicle and an instant collector's car IMO.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

and there it is folks... say hello to the next Z motor! 3.0L V6 TT

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/01/11/i...bo-v6-detroit/

now im curious as to what nissan plans to do with the new 4cyl Turbo ive been told is being stuffed into a RWD platform (i wasnt told if it was the IDx or the Z35 though)

Yeah I'm curious and skeptical of them even bothering to offer a car in that segment any more.

Originally Posted by SimpleS14

I commenced heavy breathing when I saw the new Ford GT.

I understand the powertrain is required to meet FIA regulations, but I was kind of hoping for an eight cylinder motor. Either way this is still an impressive vehicle and an instant collector's car IMO.

I'm surprised by the V6 too. Its in the Raptor as well. Its gotta be a beast.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

I'm surprised by the V6 too. Its in the Raptor as well. Its gotta be a beast.

I'm guessing Torque right off the line and lasting for days.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

and there it is folks... say hello to the next Z motor! 3.0L V6 TT

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/01/11/i...bo-v6-detroit/

now im curious as to what nissan plans to do with the new 4cyl Turbo ive been told is being stuffed into a RWD platform (i wasnt told if it was the IDx or the Z35 though)

Concept = No Shits Given

To much win being announced by Ford to care. Hell the big news for Nissan is the 300hp Cummins Diesel Titan.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Concept = No Shits Given

To much win being announced by Ford to care. Hell the big news for Nissan is the 300hp Cummins Diesel Titan.

Yeah, and how horrible does that new Titan look? Awful.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Yeah, and how horrible does that new Titan look? Awful.

That last line was rather sarcastic consider its made irrelevant by the 10spd Raptor.

[exitspeed]

NSX.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

NSX.

That NSX is pretty bold. It's got small manufacturer Super car written all over it. Question is, is it a straight concept still or are they actually going to build it? Oh and if it's too expensive and looks like that why not just buy Ferrari or whatnot.

To make a proper Japanese Super Car you either need to build the we don't give shit brimming with physics defying handling I.E. GTR. Or a carbon fiber uber exotic aka LFA.
Honda cannot do with the new NSX what they did with the original i.e. Bite Ferrari design language and make a nice car. This current rendition while not looking bad is too much a me too exercise.
Don't get me wrong nice looking just looks very familiar.

As far as that Mustang GT350 goes it looks like Ford has a clue on how to sell that car.
On the Nissan twin turbo V6? If they stuck with that power plant for a Z they would open room underneath for a smaller entry level 4cyl turbo car like the IDX
God forbid they go down the dumb road of offering an NA V6 alongside a TT.

[dorkidori_s13]

my only question about the new NSX is... do we really NEED 94 projector headlights upfront?

[SimpleS14]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

my only question about the new NSX is... do we really NEED 94 projector headlights upfront?

lol well they are sticking with the design language for the brand.

drift freaq - This is the actual production car that will FINALLY come out. They haven't provided any details on pricing, but in my opinion, I wouldn't be surprised to see this in the 100K-150K range.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by SimpleS14

lol well they are sticking with the design language for the brand.

drift freaq - This is the actual production car that will FINALLY come out. They haven't provided any details on pricing, but in my opinion, I wouldn't be surprised to see this in the 100K-150K range.

Which leads me right to the hmmm lots of exotics I can buy in this price range what makes this one stand out viewpoint. Like I said just looks like just another exotic current design language.

How is Honda going to convince the enthusiast not to buy something else?

It's not bad looking just not that different. When the NSX came out they offered a Ferrari type car for much less.
Now if they bring this thing in for say 60-80k then you have an interesting equation going on. At 100-150k there are a lot of alternatives with more pedigree than this NSX.

[LEG1T]

Fords Answer to the Acura NSX: Try me..



NSX what???? lol

[drift freaq]

Now that Ford GT is bad ass looking full on Exotic and if they build it and sell it for around 150k it would definitely push that NSX out of the running.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

It's not bad looking just not that different. When the NSX came out they offered a Ferrari type car for much less.

Now if they bring this thing in for say 60-80k then you have an interesting equation going on. At 100-150k there are a lot of alternatives with more pedigree than this NSX.

I can't think of a single exotic in the 100-150k range.

Sports cars? Sure, exotic?

R8 V10 starts at $153k, R8 Plus is $175k
991 Turbo $151k and Turbo S is $183k

Peasant Spec Ferrari California is ~$198k
Ferrari 458 is $234k and the F12 is $320k.

I recall Hondas target is a "Ferrari 458 at half the price in a hybrid configuration".

$115k puts it inline with the Viper, GTR, R8 V8, 991S and several other powerful sports cars. It's a good place to be.

In this day and age a GTR is $113k, a Z28 costs $70k, a Hellcat is $65k and the M3/4 has no issue surpassing $70k.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Now if they bring this thing in for say 60-80k then you have an interesting equation going on. At 100-150k there are a lot of alternatives with more pedigree than this NSX.

Not going to happen. $60-80k gets you a Boxster, Camaro Z28, or a 4-banger Alfa 4c these days. Shit, an M4 starts at $64k in the typical economy car BMW base option package. "Keyless entry? $500! HIDs? $1,800!"

[LEG1T]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Now that Ford GT is bad ass looking full on Exotic and if they build it and sell it for around 150k it would definitely push that NSX out of the running.

Exactly ! Now take what you said earlier in consideration of a new Supra revival...

Now if they bring this thing in for say 60-80k then you have an interesting equation going on.

And our expectations and hope could be looking at the *new Supra. Toyota has to hit a homerun with performance, design and prove it can be competitive to the Ford and the C7. With the price of a grandslam @ 50-80K.

Then bingo.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by LEG1T

Exactly ! Now take what you said earlier in consideration of a new Supra revival...



And our expectations and hope could be looking at the *new Supra. Toyota has to hit a homerun with performance, design and prove it can be competitive to the Ford and the C7. With the price of a grandslam @ 50-80K.

Then bingo.

Honestly I am not holding my breath on a new Supra and to be quite honest the Supra never really spun my wheels. I have liked some Toyota's but I am not really a Toyota person. Not sure why the marque has just never really taken me.
Even the current Supra concept just seems overworked.
It's really hard with high end cars to strike a balance of awesome exotic and not overworked. Quite a few Super cars suffer from the overworked bodywork syndrome which turns them into a big turn off for me.

While I mention the LFA I think it's riducously overpriced and because of that beyond respecting what it can do or represents I would never ever consider owning one, plus it has a bit of the overworked going on .

Hell you could buy a Ferrari and a GTR and possibly have some cash left over form the price of one.

Ford has actually done a better job of striking the balance with the new GT concept.

[LEG1T]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Honestly I am not holding my breath on a new Supra and to be quite honest the Supra never really spun my wheels. I have liked some Toyota's but I am not really a Toyota person. Not sure why the marque has just never really taken me.
Even the current Supra concept just seems overworked.
It's really hard with high end cars to strike a balance of awesome exotic and not overworked. Quite a few Super cars suffer from the overworked bodywork syndrome which turns them into a big turn off for me.

While I mention the LFA I think it's riducously overpriced and because of that beyond respecting what it can do or represents I would never ever consider owning one, plus it has a bit of the overworked going on .

Hell you could buy a Ferrari and a GTR and possibly have some cash left over form the price of one.

Ford has actually done a better job of striking the balance with the new GT concept.

Fair enough, I think the GTR is due for design refresh next year or so will be interesting to see where they go style wise.

Fair to say though, that with these mfg's pushing out more risque designs, this can only elevate the field for cooler looking cars. And that's deff not a bad thing for car enthusiasts.

The next few years should be fun, I hear Mazda might throw it's hat back in the game too.

[silviasandbeer]

that shelby isnt messing around
you see that back seat? no? exactly...

the shelbys rear fenders below the quarter look a little camaro-ish
sqaured, boxxy

[exitspeed]

This NSX IS the production car. That's it.

And the Supra is completely confirmed and is a joiunt venture between BMW and Toyota.

[SimpleS14]

Check out his comments at the end about pricing