Donald Trump For President

[RalliartRsX]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Back to my very simple question.

If we could wave a magic wand and poof - all illegal aliens, of all types and origins, sent home and poof, nermver again will someone enter illegally or over stay a visa.


Do you support the magic wand, if not, why?

No, because simply; This country was built by and off the backs of immigrants. This country literally WOULD NOT exist without immigrants. Your $4-$5 bags of apples would be close to $8-$9 without immigrants farming your land.........and trump wouldn't have any of his past 3 wives if it wasn't for immigrants.........and trump wouldn't have workers for his golf course if it wasn't for immigrants........

And most of all, if it wasn't for immigrants, we wouldn't have your dear lord in savior.........trump to be president if it wasn't for trump's grandfather immigrating to the US........

https://www.politico.eu/article/dona...ers-kallstadt/

But hey, who cares about facts or history, right??

He (trump's grandfather) entered the U.S. through official channels, but he had left Bavaria illegally. “Both he and his mother must have known that he would not have been granted official permission to leave the country unless he had paid a bail guaranteeing that he would later return to do his mandatory military service,” said Roland Paul, the recently-retired director of the Institute for Palatinate Regional History and Folklife Studies in the city of Kaiserslautern.

Life grandfather like....grandson?? lol

Originally Posted by spooled240

We answered your question before. A wall provides border security much like how your front door with a lock provides security for you house. Its a very simple concept lol.

You cited sources which were either biased sources that cherry-picked data or self-contradictory to your claims. I simply am just not convinced that having sections of our border wide open has no detrimental impact to our country.

Anyways, I'm burned out on this wall issue. Let's just go back to arguing about our cheap Nissans lol.

You have not answered the question at all apart from random images.

Also, if you consider the DEA and the Fence Act "biased sources", then you have a very basic or lack of understanding what are FACTUAL sources of information.......

Good luck to you both.......

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

No, because simply; This country was built by and off the backs of immigrants. This country literally WOULD NOT exist without immigrants. Your $4-$5 bags of apples would be close to $8-$9 without immigrants farming your land.........and trump wouldn't have any of his past 3 wives if it wasn't for immigrants.........and trump wouldn't have workers for his golf course if it wasn't for immigrants..........

Key Word "Immigrant", not "Illegal Immigrants".

With that, not once have I, Trump or anyone advocated against legal Immigration. We have over 1.5 million legal immigrants entering this country legally every year.

Legally.

Also, the idiotic notion of "we'll we're all immigrants" is just that, idiotic.

The vast magority of the original colonizers came when this place was just a 3rd world shit hole.

They left what was essentially the first world to come here and build something without the restrictions of theocratic monarchies and autocratic dictatorships. They took what was nothing and made it into thr greatest country this world has ever seen.

Those coming here did not come here because it was easier, but because they wanted to be part of something great. They changed their last names and learned an entire new language to become citizens of a new country.

Todau we have unchecked hoards of illeterate 3rd world migrants wanting to move in and live in somewgat marginally better form of poverty. They don't want to assimilate.

If these migrants are so awesome, then why are they not transforming thier own nations into 1st world nations?

Mexico is rich in natural resources, oil, agriculture, huge coast lines, no hostile enemies, situated next to a weathy trading pattern.

Why is Canada, a frozen shit hole, able to do so well but Mexico can't?

Why is Australia so much better off then Africa despite having fewer resources, being further from trading partners and the same style climate?

Why, with all that oil and agriculture and mineral deposits is Venezuela broke and starving to death?

Why is Florida so fucking awesome and Cuba so fucking lame?

Hmmmm?

You'll never better your self if your parents always do your homework for you....

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

I give up.

I feel bad for you man.

I sincerely hope someday you can stop being terrified of everyone who doesn't look just like you.

You view immigrants as a threat yet you're comfortable with ending a nuclear arms treaty.

You view a wall as something that protects you yet you're okay with speeding headfirst towards a climate crisis.

I pity you.

Basiless assumptions.

"climate change" isn't going to be stopped by giving out exhaust tickets or freaking out that someone has a Cobb access port.

You want to stop Climate change? Then why do you want to bring hundreds of millions of people from the 3rd world to the 1st world. Living in the first world astronomically increases the per person carbon foot print. You should be advocating to force these people to stay put and begin mass sterilization plans and "one child" policies to bring the world population down.

As for your hysterics about fear and xenophobia, sounds like you've never left California and clearly don't know me.

I have two froriegn adopted siblings who are not my race and my wife is a legal immigrant. I grew up in Europe and have been there over a dozen times in just the last few years. I've also traveled to Africa, the Middle East and have been to central Asia/Europe and Eastern Europe plenty.

I've even been to Canuckastan and live in thr Communist Republic of Kalifornia as a child.

If you continue to bring millions of people into the United States, who don't want to assymulate, who want to bring with them the socliaist idealogoy and government policies they are fleeing and instatue them there... If you continue to run propaganda against the wealthy, free thinkers and industrialists... Well then we will cease to be the United States and end up as "North Mexico" or "The People's Republic of American".

[RalliartRsX]

Corbic, DHS states Asylum seekers and refugees ARE legal forms of immigration......


If you prefer to make up your own definition to mold it to whatever you are trying to state, I advise you take up the issue with DHS.....

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

Corbic, DHS states Asylum seekers and refugees ARE legal forms of immigration......


If you prefer to make up your own definition to mold it to whatever you are trying to state, I advise you take up the issue with DHS.....

Yup and Mexicans don't count as refugees or asylum seekers. If you want to throw out these rules, then you should prolly follow them.

There is an entire process to apply for refugee status or asylum. This process doesn't involve illegal entry and getting a job with a stolen social security card or over staying a tourist/student visa.

The other problem with asylum/refugees is.. When the fuck do they go back?

Where did all thr Russian Refugees go during WW2? Where did all the Korean Refugees go during their Civil War? Where did the American Refugees go in 1861?

Also, since Cheeto Hitler took over, shouldn't everyone be fleeing America seeking asylum in Canada, California and Mexico?

Seems like California's are in mass fleeing their own shit hole state for states that where once solid red or at list very libertarian. Hmmmm

[RalliartRsX]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Yup and Mexicans don't count as refugees or asylum seekers. If you want to throw out these rules, then you should prolly follow them.

Can you please point out in the law or directive specifically from DHS where it explicitly states this??

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

Can you please point out in the law or directive specifically from DHS where it explicitly states this??

DHS does not control immigration. USCIS does.

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/r...-determination

[RalliartRsX]

OK. And there is no where it states explicitly that immigrants for Mexico will not be granted refugee status according to that link from USCIS. As I stated "law or directive from DHS" if you took the time to read my post.....


Again, Corbic I'll ask again as you seem jell bent on refusing to answer questions; can you explicitly call out where in the law it states immigrants from Mexico will be denied refugee or asylum status?? You have yet to proof this statement you have made.....

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

OK. And there is no where it states explicitly that immigrants for Mexico will not be granted refugee status according to that link from USCIS. As I stated "law or directive from DHS" if you took the time to read my post.....


Again, Corbic I'll ask again as you seem jell bent on refusing to answer questions; can you explicitly call out where in the law it states immigrants from Mexico will be denied refugee or asylum status?? You have yet to proof this statement you have made.....

Please show me where it states they are?

Even so, that has NOTHING to do with illegal immigration. If they are a qualifying refugee or asylum seeker, they can follow the specifically spelled out application process on the link I provided and gain entry legally.

Your refugee argument is a distractuonary strawman argument.

[spooled240]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

No.

I like some of 21 Savage's music.

I like contributions to this country that other people who have come to this country illegally have made.

They don't have a problem with me, I don't have a problem with them.

I like some of 21 Savage's music also.


But since we are looking at illegal immigration through a microscope, let's look at some of the negative contributions to this country that other people who have come to this country illegally have made. We can start with these:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...er/2426883002/


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ay/1050186002/

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

You have not answered the question at all apart from random images.

Also, if you consider the DEA and the Fence Act "biased sources", then you have a very basic or lack of understanding what are FACTUAL sources of information.......

Good luck to you both.......

The images were used to disprove your claims that no one and no drugs ever cross through unprotected parts of the border.


I'll answer your question again: Walls are a form of border security used by multiple countries around the world since the beginning of history. If they weren't used for border security then why are they built on and along borders? For aesthetics? lol


And those sources were legitimate, however they also disproved your claim that drugs don't enter through the SWB which is where you backpedalled and said some of the drugs were originally from China entering through the SWB.


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Remember the Honduran caravan? If they were seeking asylum, why did they insist on throwing rocks over the border when they were met with BP agents and a WALL? That's not the universal sign of I NEED HELP!

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Coooooool anecdotal evidence. Want me to just post the links that show illegal immigrants commit less crime than the general population? You know, empirical data trumps anecdotal links. Should I post links to the huge number of serial killers, rapists, terrorists, school shooters that were born here, to parents that were born here too?



Turn off the fox news bro.

Can we dissect that claim by racial group too?

Oh no! RACISM!!!

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Coooooool anecdotal evidence. Want me to just post the links that show illegal immigrants commit less crime than the general population? You know, empirical data trumps anecdotal links. Should I post links to the huge number of serial killers, rapists, terrorists, school shooters that were born here, to parents that were born here too?



Turn off the fox news bro.

Also, this goes back to my statement about fire arms.

You want to ban black rifles of death, which in 2016 amounted to 374 murders.

Knives killed 1,604 people, 4 times as many.

Legalize SBRs bitch.



And if I want to go all rhetoric about it, almost 700,000 kids each year are killed by forceps and vaccums... So where's your human tradgity now?

[spooled240]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Coooooool anecdotal evidence. Want me to just post the links that show illegal immigrants commit less crime than the general population? You know, empirical data trumps anecdotal links. Should I post links to the huge number of serial killers, rapists, terrorists, school shooters that were born here, to parents that were born here too?

Turn off the fox news bro.

It's not any more anecdotal than your 21 Savage reference. Turn off the MTV bro.


Go ahead and macro it out if you'd like. I'm still waiting for a good enough reason to completely ignore immigration policies.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by spooled240

It's not any more anecdotal than your 21 Savage reference. Turn off the MTV bro.


Go ahead and macro it out if you'd like. I'm still waiting for a good enough reason to completely ignore immigration policies.

[dbeiler]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Coooooool anecdotal evidence. Want me to just post the links that show illegal immigrants commit less crime than the general population?

I don't understand how this could ever be used as a logical point in an argument. A person residing in this country illegally is committing a crime every second of their time in it. You LITERALLY CANNOT commit crime at a higher rate.

[RalliartRsX]

OK so what you're saying is, against your initial statement, there is no where in the law where it states Mexican immigrants are specifically not allowed refugee or asylum status. This is 100% contradictory to your opinion of the law.....good.

Thanks for (finally) answering the question and clearing that up
Cheers

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

OK so what you're saying is, against your initial statement, there is no where in the law where it states Mexican immigrants are specifically not allowed refugee or asylum status. This is 100% contradictory to your opinion of the law.....good.

Thanks for (finally) answering the question and clearing that up
Cheers

Are you Autistic?..

Your question and statements are irrelevant and completely miss the point.

There are no "laws" that have expressly written which country or ethnic group qualifies for refugee or asylum status.

That said, Mexico doesn't fucking qualify.

Don't belive me, Google it.

I find this amusing however:

You have Trump calling Haiti and Africa a shithole and the left melts down and says that's not true. The left then cries that those people deserve asylum because they live in shithole countries...

The Left wants Communism/Socialism and cries the US is an awful racist bigoted patriarchal Nazi state.... But that we should let in thr 10's of millions of immigrants from communist/socialist nations....

[Corbic]

So just to revise the major bullet points.


Gabby and Ralli are against the Wall.

They argue the wall is a waste of money and won't impact illegal immigration nor drug trafficking.

They also both admit to support open boarders and unrestricted immigration.

Gabby feels the wall is a waste because he is more concerned about global warming, despite the fact that increasing living standards of hundreds of millions of people will exponentially increase the speed of global warming.

Gabby thinks we need guns to protect ourselves from illegal aliens.

Ralli considers Mexico a 3rd world shithole on par with war torn Afghanistan, Syria or Sudan.

Neither want to discuss how to make Mexico a better country and lift its self up out of poverty, corruption and stagnation. #MakeMexicoGreatAlready #MMGA

Am I missing anything?

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Holy shit you're an idiot.



Yes, the guy who hates guns & wants them all melted wants more guns.



I sincerely worry about every person you come into contact with at any point in the future, as well those you've previously interacted with.

Did you not say if we built the wall and had no Illegal Immigration we would not need guys anymore?

I love the liberal logic though...

+300 million guns in this country and if one is used in a crime "omfg melt them all down!!!".


Show any crime statistic corrolating to social, economic, or ethnic class and "Holy fuck how dare you generalize!!"

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

The wall isn't going to stop anyone.



Everyone has already stated this.

"everyone" that supports open boarders....



QUOTE=gbaby2089;6319737]You say the borders are wide open, I remind you of the tons of government employees & crazy racists roaming the border with guns to 'protect the borders' (their claim, not mine).

You claim those are not enough.[/QUOTE]

Then how did we get 20 - 30 million illegal aliens in this country?


Also, nice calling ICE and the FBP "crazy racists". When in doubt scream racist, Facist, sexist, etc...

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Dude you're not smart enough to grasp logic of any kind. Just stop while you're behind, the gap isn't going to close.

Grasping at what? You gave up any ground to make an argument with when you admitted you are for open boarders.

You are now parroting thr typic NPC Liberal Rethoric.

Racists!
Climate Change!
Nazis!!!
Crazy Gun Owners!!!
Trump Is Literally Hitler!!

Come on, just complete the circle with some howels of abortion and white privlage. You like getting off on that shit in New York and Virginia?


Is this you?




Cause I sure feel like Tucker talking to you about this.

[RalliartRsX]

Dude

Holy crap. Man, have a good day dude. I would hate to be the one responsible for your brain aneurysm

[RalliartRsX]

Corbic fun fact
- Melania violated immigration law by obtaining a h1b visa and engaging in work....which is one article as mentioned as being considered illegal immigration
- the workers for trumps golf course are illegal immigrants
- trumps grandfather deported from his own country under illegal pretense

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...B_iZh5&ampcf=1

So yeah.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

Corbic fun fact
- Melania violated immigration law by obtaining a h1b visa and engaging in work....which is one article as mentioned as being considered illegal immigration
- the workers for trumps golf course are illegal immigrants
- trumps grandfather deported from his own country under illegal pretense

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...B_iZh5&ampcf=1

So yeah.

Relevance?

Are you seriously saying Trump personally overseas and in interviews workers at a golf course his billion dollar industry owns?


I've bought chinese for and tacos from illegal aliens.... What now?

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Derp Derp Derp.