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Old 02-04-2019, 02:46 PM   #1
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No.

I like some of 21 Savage's music.

I like contributions to this country that other people who have come to this country illegally have made.

They don't have a problem with me, I don't have a problem with them.
So then how can I take a single argument you've made against the wall seriously?


That's like asking a bank robber if banks should have security cameras and locking vaults.

Latin America is never going to fix their own damn problems if they don't step up and actually try. Their is absolutely no reason Mexico should be poor.

If Mexico was run by the US it would be Arizona and Texas.

Should we invade Mexico so we can fix them and at least reap the rewards?
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Back to my very simple question.

If we could wave a magic wand and poof - all illegal aliens, of all types and origins, sent home and poof, nermver again will someone enter illegally or over stay a visa.


Do you support the magic wand, if not, why?
No, because simply; This country was built by and off the backs of immigrants. This country literally WOULD NOT exist without immigrants. Your $4-$5 bags of apples would be close to $8-$9 without immigrants farming your land.........and trump wouldn't have any of his past 3 wives if it wasn't for immigrants.........and trump wouldn't have workers for his golf course if it wasn't for immigrants........

And most of all, if it wasn't for immigrants, we wouldn't have your dear lord in savior.........trump to be president if it wasn't for trump's grandfather immigrating to the US........

https://www.politico.eu/article/dona...ers-kallstadt/

But hey, who cares about facts or history, right??

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He (trump's grandfather) entered the U.S. through official channels, but he had left Bavaria illegally. “Both he and his mother must have known that he would not have been granted official permission to leave the country unless he had paid a bail guaranteeing that he would later return to do his mandatory military service,” said Roland Paul, the recently-retired director of the Institute for Palatinate Regional History and Folklife Studies in the city of Kaiserslautern.
Life grandfather like....grandson?? lol

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We answered your question before. A wall provides border security much like how your front door with a lock provides security for you house. Its a very simple concept lol.

You cited sources which were either biased sources that cherry-picked data or self-contradictory to your claims. I simply am just not convinced that having sections of our border wide open has no detrimental impact to our country.

Anyways, I'm burned out on this wall issue. Let's just go back to arguing about our cheap Nissans lol.
You have not answered the question at all apart from random images.

Also, if you consider the DEA and the Fence Act "biased sources", then you have a very basic or lack of understanding what are FACTUAL sources of information.......

Good luck to you both.......
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No, because simply; This country was built by and off the backs of immigrants. This country literally WOULD NOT exist without immigrants. Your $4-$5 bags of apples would be close to $8-$9 without immigrants farming your land.........and trump wouldn't have any of his past 3 wives if it wasn't for immigrants.........and trump wouldn't have workers for his golf course if it wasn't for immigrants..........
Key Word "Immigrant", not "Illegal Immigrants".

With that, not once have I, Trump or anyone advocated against legal Immigration. We have over 1.5 million legal immigrants entering this country legally every year.

Legally.

Also, the idiotic notion of "we'll we're all immigrants" is just that, idiotic.

The vast magority of the original colonizers came when this place was just a 3rd world shit hole.

They left what was essentially the first world to come here and build something without the restrictions of theocratic monarchies and autocratic dictatorships. They took what was nothing and made it into thr greatest country this world has ever seen.

Those coming here did not come here because it was easier, but because they wanted to be part of something great. They changed their last names and learned an entire new language to become citizens of a new country.

Todau we have unchecked hoards of illeterate 3rd world migrants wanting to move in and live in somewgat marginally better form of poverty. They don't want to assimilate.

If these migrants are so awesome, then why are they not transforming thier own nations into 1st world nations?

Mexico is rich in natural resources, oil, agriculture, huge coast lines, no hostile enemies, situated next to a weathy trading pattern.

Why is Canada, a frozen shit hole, able to do so well but Mexico can't?

Why is Australia so much better off then Africa despite having fewer resources, being further from trading partners and the same style climate?

Why, with all that oil and agriculture and mineral deposits is Venezuela broke and starving to death?

Why is Florida so fucking awesome and Cuba so fucking lame?

Hmmmm?

You'll never better your self if your parents always do your homework for you....
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