Long time 240sx owners (10 years or so)

[zombiewolf513]

Originally Posted by ixfxi

You guys who say "keep it stock" really dont know what you're talking about. In stock form, these cars are complete shit boxes. The beauty in these cars is tuning & modifying them, but how? By installing the proper parts. And this is where most people's projects go to shit. You guys fail to use good quality parts, or you start projects that are over-ambitious.

...If you can't appreciate a car in its raw form and well maintained, a LOT of enthusiasts would say you don't know what you're talking about. especially a 240, where 1/25 are stock and clean. Keeping it stock and maintained is almost as much of an art as modifying it well. It's like having a blank canvas in a world full of half ass tagged walls.

Originally Posted by zombiewolf513

...If you can't appreciate a car in its raw form and well maintained, a LOT of enthusiasts would say you don't know what you're talking about. especially a 240, where 1/25 are stock. Keeping it stock and maintained is almost as much of an art as modifying it well. It's like having a blank canvas in a world full of half ass tagged walls.

There's nothing RAW about a stock 240SX.

Whats RAW about a clutch dampener that restricts clutch feel. Ah yes, the oh so grippy stock clutch - a real gem.

Whats RAW about the stock brakes, which are totally undersized for any spirited driving. The stock brake system for the S-chassis should have been the Z32 brakes. Stock brakes for the Z32 should have been the R33 GTR brakes.

Whats RAW about the boat-ride suspension. If our cars came with Tokico blues and a slight drop I could understand, but stock suspension sucks shit.

Whats RAW about the absolutely SHITTY stock S13 seats? If you want to spinal damage, keep those moon-shaped seats. At least the S14 seats are acceptable.

How about the finely crafted auto seatbelts, WOW, I feel so lucky and blessed to own a USDM S13. We got the worst seatbelt system while the rest of the world, bless them, got normal seatbelts.

I wont even get started with the engine, the SOHC is a complete dog turd. The DOHC is an improvement, but its still rough. Once again, the rest of the world had much better engine options.

I am not trying to turn this into a mod or not mod debate, but please - dont try to sell the wine-and-cheese purist belief that these cars are perfect *as-is* because they're not. This is coming from someone who's owned the car much longer than you, and who's taken every nut and bolt off and back on. And I'm a stickler for cars that are well-maintained with OE parts. Respect your elders, son.

[zombiewolf513]

Originally Posted by ixfxi

I am not trying to turn this into a mod or not mod debate, but please - dont try to sell the wine-and-cheese purist belief that these cars are perfect *as-is* because they're not. This is coming from someone who's owned the car much longer than you, and who's taken every nut and bolt off and back on. And I'm a stickler for cars that are well-maintained with OE parts. Respect your elders, son.

I didn't say they were perfect in stock form. It's a chassis I admire and find pride in by keeping it maintained in original form. I didn't say raw as in 'dope hawt phresh', I said raw as in 'original/factory'. I've taken these cars apart and put them back together by every single nut and bolt as well, multiple multiple times. Disagreeing that appreciation for stock (regardless of factory performance or lack there of) is in no way disrespect. I'm talking about the nostalgia of them, not the go-fast show boat supercar from the factory or modified love. All of my best memories have been in and around 240s, my stock daily is an extension of those memories. Calm down.

[nightwalker]

Originally Posted by ixfxi

There's nothing RAW about a stock 240SX.

Whats RAW about a clutch dampener that restricts clutch feel. Ah yes, the oh so grippy stock clutch - a real gem.

Whats RAW about the stock brakes, which are totally undersized for any spirited driving. The stock brake system for the S-chassis should have been the Z32 brakes. Stock brakes for the Z32 should have been the R33 GTR brakes.

Whats RAW about the boat-ride suspension. If our cars came with Tokico blues and a slight drop I could understand, but stock suspension sucks shit.

Whats RAW about the absolutely SHITTY stock S13 seats? If you want to spinal damage, keep those moon-shaped seats. At least the S14 seats are acceptable.

How about the finely crafted auto seatbelts, WOW, I feel so lucky and blessed to own a USDM S13. We got the worst seatbelt system while the rest of the world, bless them, got normal seatbelts.

I wont even get started with the engine, the SOHC is a complete dog turd. The DOHC is an improvement, but its still rough. Once again, the rest of the world had much better engine options.

I am not trying to turn this into a mod or not mod debate, but please - dont try to sell the wine-and-cheese purist belief that these cars are perfect *as-is* because they're not. This is coming from someone who's owned the car much longer than you, and who's taken every nut and bolt off and back on. And I'm a stickler for cars that are well-maintained with OE parts. Respect your elders, son.

^ THIS! Oh man, it's been ages since my old 240 buddies and I talked in length about the "diamond in the rough" that 240s are.
You and your generation were the ones that influenced me and mine. I thought that we would be able to do that for the next, but shit just got out of hand.

[Future240]

Originally Posted by MrMigs

W...wha? What page? Wait... you spent years going to my forsale thread? lol

No the pic on Wikipedia. In my teens and really early 20's I would go to the wiki page read it for the 230402348 time and stare at the kouki wanting one.

Originally Posted by ixfxi

There's nothing RAW about a stock 240SX.

Whats RAW about a clutch dampener that restricts clutch feel. Ah yes, the oh so grippy stock clutch - a real gem.

Whoa whoa whoa hold up. Is this why the stock feels like shit? When I first got my s14 the first thing I noticed was how soft and spongy the clutch felt compared to the 88 Maxima I had just come out of.