Are there any purist Left on this Board? V. jdm parts etc.

[bataangpinoy]

Originally Posted by turboshoebox

i get what ur saying but you seem so angry about the early 240 crowd. (based on ur join date on being some what recent.)n

It's mostly the younger dudes who nut swing over that "golden era" but don't have any knowledge or talent that piss me off. They just slap beat up parts on and tug themselves off about how "neato" their cars are.

Originally Posted by Reece

This is almost like saying a period correct muscle car is lame because there's "new technology".

No, paying homage to a past era is one thing but you shouldn't ever set yourself behind just because "its what they used to do".

Support for the SR20 here in the states is so far behind. Why? Cause y'all don't want to do new shit. Nistune is a real powerful tuning option, but its not popular. You all want to keep chip tuning your shit or using Power FCs. Or blowing stuff up with megasquirt. Z32 MAF Upgrade? Why do that when you have the access to the newest MAF from the r35? Its so affordable and the VE table is so refined...

Here is the example that I like to give:

On Youtube, there is a 90's CarBoy GP Drift competition where drivers are judged on solo runs. We're talking EARLY 90's Japan. Dudes still in Starlets, AE86' a few old Datsun, CA Powered S13's... Just having fun in cheap cars, right?

And then BAM; Two dudes are competing with a (then new) E30 M3 and an R32 GTR. Two cars that were the PINNACLE of motorsport technology in that era.

Are you gonna tell me that the other guys in the S-chassis or TE/AE chassis wouldn't use whatever they could to give themselves a fighting chance?
If they had the access to the parts and tricks that we have now, you don't think they'd be using them?

[FaLKoN240]

Originally Posted by LockOn!

I don't even think you can define "purist" anymore.

Look closely to videos coming out of japan now a days, they run cheap parts all the time too. Knock off wheels, crappy steering wheels and interior parts, generic suspension arms galore.

I think a lot of us see Japan and the "purist" mentality through rose colored glasses.

In reality, as long as the cars are true to style, I don't think anyone really cares anymore. Just keep it lowish, painted one color, and cohesive in the chosen style and it should always look good. Of course I respect people out there still doing it by the book with all legit everything, but when I see kids running US market or replica parts, I really can't be mad as long as it looks like it was put together with care.

As for my own car, I follow the 00' styling, but my parts are about 50/50 replica versus real. Basically if its key to safe and reliable operation like a radiator, clutch, diff or turbo, real parts only. But for things like aero, intercooler piping, exhausts and the like, I really couldn't care less.

I've tried sticking to the JDM quality only tip for the longest time, but it's too expensive when you actually drift and drive the car on public streets. I go through a body kit every year, that on top of tires and entry fees... it's it's not feasible to buy brand new JDM or pay for shipping costs for used stuff from across the ocean.

If a replica company can issue something that isn't safety critical, and it works just as well, you'll see me on it.

I just bought a CX racing intercooler set up for my car because I have end of year events I'm trying to make and didn't want to spend twice as much for the real thing. If it breaks because of low quality I may consider getting a JDM one, but they're still not built for my KA-T motorset...

Originally Posted by bataangpinoy

It's mostly the younger dudes who nut swing over that "golden era" but don't have any knowledge or talent that piss me off. They just slap beat up parts on and tug themselves off about how "neato" their cars are.



No, paying homage to a past era is one thing but you shouldn't ever set yourself behind just because "its what they used to do".

Support for the SR20 here in the states is so far behind. Why? Cause y'all don't want to do new shit. Nistune is a real powerful tuning option, but its not popular. You all want to keep chip tuning your shit or using Power FCs. Or blowing stuff up with megasquirt. Z32 MAF Upgrade? Why do that when you have the access to the newest MAF from the r35? Its so affordable and the VE table is so refined...

Here is the example that I like to give:

On Youtube, there is a 90's CarBoy GP Drift competition where drivers are judged on solo runs. We're talking EARLY 90's Japan. Dudes still in Starlets, AE86' a few old Datsun, CA Powered S13's... Just having fun in cheap cars, right?

And then BAM; Two dudes are competing with a (then new) E30 M3 and an R32 GTR. Two cars that were the PINNACLE of motorsport technology in that era.

Are you gonna tell me that the other guys in the S-chassis or TE/AE chassis wouldn't use whatever they could to give themselves a fighting chance?
If they had the access to the parts and tricks that we have now, you don't think they'd be using them?

Why we're still using the old tech is.. it's there, and it works.

I'm into drifting. 3 or 4 years ago, PBM was all the rage. I fell into the hype, bought their coils, arms, subframe risers the whole nine yards.

Only to have all that bullshit flipped on it's head when Naoki, grass roots drifter put everything we thought we knew about drifting on its head.

Dude slays formula d drivers in 600hp cars with all of the leading edge suspension mods on the most technical courses. But he does this with the fabled 15+ year old suspension and tuning you're downplaying.

As for the newer stuff, using new mafs, new tunes, new tech requires someone developing it.

People that have that kind of skill and talent and do it well, they do it for money. V35 maf... I don't even know where to find one, let alone bother looking for one because I have no idea how to set it up.

I can get a Z maf and enthalpy for less than $400. I can do that by buying used parts.

When someone starts developing cheap R35 tunes using mostly OEM quality parts,l maybe the rest community along with myself will consider it, otherwise we're going to continue using our old tech.

[bataangpinoy]

Originally Posted by FaLKoN240

I'm into drifting. 3 or 4 years ago, PBM was all the rage. I fell into the hype, bought their coils, arms, subframe risers the whole nine yards.
Only to have all that bullshit flipped on it's head when Naoki, grass roots drifter put everything we thought we knew about drifting on its head.

Dude slays formula d drivers in 600hp cars with all of the leading edge suspension mods on the most technical courses. But he does this with the fabled 15+ year old suspension and tuning you're downplaying.

Im not going to detract from his ability in that car. Nor am I going to detract from anyone's driving on the west coast. But I wasn't terribly impressed when I saw that event at Grange. That being said, we all have the potential to drive like he does on a dusty 2nd gear track like Grange, Sonoma Sportsland and Balcony in similar cars.

I also wish to make a little note about US drift culture where people overbuild cars beyond what their abilities require. Not saying that anyone in particular is guilty of that, but only wish to point it out.


What separates us from guys like Nakumura-san is seat time.

[kevinphan]

Originally Posted by bataangpinoy

Im not going to detract from his ability in that car. Nor am I going to detract from anyone's driving on the west coast. But I wasn't terribly impressed when I saw that event at Grange. That being said, we all have the potential to drive like he does on a dusty 2nd gear track like Grange, Sonoma Sportsland and Balcony in similar cars.

I also wish to make a little note about US drift culture where people overbuild cars beyond what their abilities require. Not saying that anyone in particular is guilty of that, but only wish to point it out.


What separates us from guys like Nakumura-san is seat time.

haha you could probably put in 10,000 hours of seat time and will never get close to his level of skill

[!Zar!]

Originally Posted by bataangpinoy

I wasn't terribly impressed when I saw that event at Grange.

You blind or just blind?

[deolio]

Originally Posted by bataangpinoy

What separates us from guys like Nakumura-san is seat time.

I bet you think you could be as fast as Senna if you had as much seat time too. There’s this thing called talent that all the seat time in the world couldn’t teach you. Shit, Tony Angelo could probably have 10,000hr more seat time than Naoki and still be sleeping on D.A. bro’s sofas, surfing coat tails to his next meal.


Anyway, yeah there are purists left, but they’re few and far between. I’m sure once these cars become collectible, there will be a resurgence.

[BayS13]

Originally Posted by deolio

I bet you think you could be as fast as Senna if you had as much seat time too. There’s this thing called talent that all the seat time in the world couldn’t teach you. Shit, Tony Angelo could probably have 10,000hr more seat time than Naoki and still be sleeping on D.A. bro’s sofas, surfing coat tails to his next meal.

I remember when Sonny beat Tony Angelo at GGF with his stock KA and Tony was in the FD. Garbage.

[FaLKoN240]

Originally Posted by BayS13

I remember when Sonny beat Tony Angelo at GGF with his stock KA and Tony was in the FD. Garbage.

Miss that coupe with the R32 tails.