Donald Trump For President

[lewisfk]

Originally Posted by SteffbuiltNOLA

Ahahahaha yo I’m sorry but I think you give the government way too much credit like they are some legit evil geniuses. Politicians just want money and power and they do the same thing over and over and people fall for it religiously. They exploit your emotions and every generation has had the same reactionaries that get caught up in the moment. So let’s jump on your minorities being help down theory. Guess what I am bud. I would be Hispanic. Second generation, by the way, and my family is by no means rich. But guess what! My generation makes twice what our parents make at half the age. Let’s look at why. Because all of us have busted our ass to get where we are today. My wife, the white girl, comes from a low income family. Guess what she’s doing. Busting her ass. The funny thing about history though is that it’s just that. You learn from your mistakes and never forget but you do not dwell on it. This is the issue I have with the far left. They cry about shit that has never for a split second concerned them. And let’s not forget about the white saviors, ya know, the white people that think they are better than minorities so they should think for them. Yea, I hope you can tell I love those people. Anyways I’m rambling and going on a tangent. If your a lib, you think trump is a racist. If your a conservative then you more than likely see trump as a living, breathing internet troll. Anyways, your post, specifically, stuck a nerve.

First, of when I post things like this, I actually do the research. I'm happy your family was able to prosper, but not everyone has that opportunity. There are segments of the population who continue to struggle, and that touches a nerve for me. People should have an equal chance to prosper and have equal rights. People like Susan B. Anthony of the woman suffrage movement and Martin Luther King fought for these rights. I can't stand by and have people slander and demonize poor people because they're born into poverty or don't have the right color of skin. I still have friends, who served in two wars and are not citizens. This Commander and Chief stop the program that gave citizenship to these Patriots. This program was started by President Bush to help bolster troop levels during the war on terror. I'm proud to serve and I'm not blind to this Country History of greatness and miss deeds!

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[SteffbuiltNOLA]

Originally Posted by lewisfk

First, of when I post things like this, I actually do the research. I'm happy your family was able to prosper, but not everyone has that opportunity. There are segments of the population who continue to struggle, and that touches a nerve for me. People should have an equal chance to prosper and have equal rights. People like Susan B. Anthony of the woman suffrage movement and Martin Luther King fought for these rights. I can't stand by and have people slander and demonize poor people because they're born into poverty or don't have the right color of skin. I still have friends, who served in two wars and are not citizens. This Commander and Chief stop the program that gave citizenship to these Patriots. This program was started by President Bush to help bolster troop levels during the war on terror. I'm proud to serve and I'm not blind to this Country History of greatness and miss deeds!

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front.../etc/cron.html

First, I would like to say thank you because at the end of the day we are just 2 assholes in America. Second, you said that you served so thank you again. Now let’s get back on topic. I’ve done plenty of research but experience is worth more. I went to a public school and I tried my ass off. I got good grades and graduated with honors again because I put forth the effort. The funny thing is I went to college for business but didn’t like the thought of being in an office. I chose to start working as an automotive technician and got really good but it was a choice. My cousin stayed in college and is an accountant as does make more but again it was a choice. I bring this up because the kids, regardless of their race/religion or whatever, that fucked off did nothing with their lives. Those are also the ones that cry about the inequality. I won’t disagree with military members getting citizenship but at the same if you lost that perk but still have the opportunity to work towards it still while your in the US then it kinda comes off as selfish. I agree if you are willing to die for this country, then you should get an easier path but you still have a path none-the-less. Also I will say that it’s a policy he made that you don’t like and I’ll agree with you just like I have a list of policies he’s made that I don’t like but over all he’s done good. That link looked like a history on weed. Guess what, Trump could fuck places like Colorado with the long cock of the law and he’s not.

[lewisfk]

Steff, what are talking about? Everyone has different experiences and I was not directly talking about you. Throughout this thread, I addressed individuals who were incapable of presenting facts. Politics of division left or right will only lead to distrust! I challenge people to post facts, from quality sources.

[spooled240]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

.........Please point out where I stated this at ANY point in time. The topic of discussion here is; relating detention centers as setup by the Obama admin (which I acknowledge) to the current Admin Seperation of Family. That is NOT what I stated in my post or what I brought up in terms of nuance discussion. That has NO impact on family separation as set forth by the Current Admin.

And please cite where the Obama admin deported 5M illegal immigrants. As it stands, according to the actual statistic from DHS its a little more than 3M (which includes a mix of Criminals and non criminals)

And I still have no idea what that has to do with Family Separation, which is the target of my discussion ............

Immigration Statistics

See the attached image with DHS statistics. Obama has deported more illegal immigrants than Trump has.

I only said that because it's a trend with the left to act like everything Trump is doing is some new thing that's never been done before.

Case in point: when the left lost their mind over the betsy ross flagged nike shoes but the same flag was displayed at Obama's inauguration without any complaints.

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

So you liked him then, right?

Obama was too right wing for me

What's funny is I voted for him the first time when I was a dumb college student that wanted "change". Then he turned out to be such a polarizing figure with a questionable agenda and he pushed me to the right ever since.

[feito]

Lets not get too comfortable and go out and vote this elections. A lot is at stake, trump has brought out the worst in liberals and the left is completely unhinged, supporting the most outrageous proposals: open borders, universal basic income, free health care, weapons ban, SOCIALISM.
Im an immigrant, and I simply cant understand how so many of my peers can support some of these proposals. Perhaps that's why the places we escape from are in the state they are, one would figure we would learn the lesson...
And yes, even though there's a good percentage of us who vote against all that, the majority will still vote for the same old shit, turning your new home into the same old shithole. Same applies for so many people escaping from leftist "paradises"... So many californians here in TX laughing at our faces about how they can sell their house back home and buy a mansion here in texas, yet they still vote for the same old shit, it's so fucking ironic.

My boss, an immigrant like myself, started from the bottom, couple decades later owns his own (small) shop, his own properties, and he's an everyday millionare who still break his back working every single day elbow to elbow next to me. What it took? Sacrifice. Lots of it. And not a single hand out from the gvmt. The real american dream. But what most people dont understand, or rather want to ignore, is the sacrifice that it takes. Planning and saving for so long that most people wouldnt understand. Right before opening his shop he even had to sell his dream car, a fully restored 69 camaro ss.
So dont come in here yapping your mouth about how the system isnt fair. Our capitalist system is the best for those of us who are willing to pay the price to become something. The majority of rich people here in the states werent born rich.

The majority of people I know are poor thou, I know how we are....

[Corbic]

[gbaby2089]

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[SteffbuiltNOLA]

Originally Posted by lewisfk

Steff, what are talking about? Everyone has different experiences and I was not directly talking about you. Throughout this thread, I addressed individuals who were incapable of presenting facts. Politics of division left or right will only lead to distrust! I challenge people to post facts, from quality sources.

My bad bud, it didn’t give me a notification that you replied. Anyways I was just stating that I’ve done plenty of research and coupled that with my experience and many other’s experiences. It’s after hearing countless people from all over the US having the same experiences, with the research I’ve done, that’s made me have the views that I do. Also I found it important to look at any situation from every possible point of view. Like I had said before, yea if you served the US military then you should get first dibs on citizenship but trump never took the opportunity to be a citizen away. He just didn’t give it away. I hear from almost everyone that’s left leaning, that one of the biggest hurdles is the cost but it isn’t that expensive in US dollars. The question then becomes, why didn’t they save and start their path to citezinship if it was that important to them?

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

All of those are from right wing extremist 'meme pages'.



Not real.



Typical Trump voter, research, facts, etc.? Why do those when I can just take the word of my fellow 30 something basement dweller who also uses facebook like a septuagenarian.

Did you seriously have to do research to figure out the DNC is not behind #demandvoterid ??

[gbaby2089]

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[RalliartRsX]

3 Mass shootings in less than a week

The gop has been VERY quiet in this regard. No one even spoke about the one last week in California.

trump played golf for most of Sunday.....

That is your president folks.....

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

The terrorists who murdered 20 people on Saturday was a big Trump fan.

Fucking lie.

Go read his manifesto. He hated Corporations, and was a total whack job that even claimed "race mixing weakens the genetic pool". Total mouth breathing loser.

He even states "I know Trump will get blamed, I've been wanting to do this for 6 years and I don't care if he gets blamed".

It's also perverse how Social Media instantly deletes these accounts so no one can see what "warning signs" look like and critique the real "reasons".

Instead, all we get to go on is the media saying "white shooter!!!"

As for Ohio, guy was a huge Obama fan and killed his own sister, there is certainly more to that story then just "Nazis Attack! The Blitz Again!!"


Lastly, yawn.

Funny the media didn't carry this story -

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...oting-n1020746

This coming from Pete Buttgimp's hometown. I also belive it was 12 shot, two refused treatment and to give statements and ultimately a second victim died. Why is this not a "Holy Fuck Mass Shooting!!" I don't even think they have a suspect yet and no one is talking. (Hint, this doesn't fit the Nazi narrative)


All anyone cares about is a White Cop shot a Blackman breaking into cars at 2am.

It's a fucking joke. Had three more Shootings over the weekend in South Bend. If you know anything, call crime stoppers, cause the victims site the fuck won't speak up.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

trump played golf for most of Sunday.....

That is your president folks.....

Normal weekend in Baltimore, what's our boy Elijah Cummings been up too?

https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2018/...ore-shootings/

34 homicides in July.

[RalliartRsX]

Elijah, is NOT our current president.

Please stop moving the goal posts.

It's amazing. Obama gets tagged for wearing a tan suit and golfing how many days out of the year. Trump has surpassed the days Obama golfed during his 8 year.......and it only took trump ~ 3 years to do so.

Now, trump plays golf during a mass murder, and Corbic is pivoting to Baltimore. People have died and yet, Corbic allows his partisan bias to continue to ignore the lives of innocent people. Dude, at some point in your life, you need to take the blinders off....this is that point.

Yeah, exitspeed is right, no one here is going to change their minds. trump is also right, he could off someone on Pennsylvania ave, and Corbic would cheer.....

Good day to you Corbic. I wish to NEVER get to level of hate you are at currently...

[RalliartRsX]

Corbic, from almost all news sources, there are NO details about the shooter in Dayton being an Obama supporter. Please provide your UNBIASED sources.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

Elijah, is NOT our current president.

Please stop moving the goal posts.

Didn't move shit. If Texas is Trump's fault cause he is President (that's a stretch) then Baltimore is Elijah's fault since that's his district.

If anything, Elijah is more at fault since he's been in office for 20 years and it's a much more narrow scope.

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

It's amazing. Obama gets tagged for wearing a tan suit and golfing how many days out of the year. Trump has surpassed the days Obama golfed during his 8 year.......and it only took trump ~ 3 years to do so.

Now, trump plays golf during a mass murder, and Corbic is pivoting to Baltimore. People have died and yet, Corbic allows his partisan bias to continue to ignore the lives of innocent people. Dude, at some point in your life, you need to take the blinders off....this is that point.

Look who's talking. Crying about the dude playing Golf during what? A warm weekend in Chicago?

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

Yeah, exitspeed is right, no one here is going to change their minds. trump is also right, he could off someone on Pennsylvania ave, and Corbic would cheer.....

You mean like a Clinton?

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

Good day to you Corbic. I wish to NEVER get to level of hate you are at currently...

What hate? I hope to never reach your level of cognitive disconnect.

I point out rational facts about a shooting and you want to argue about who wore what and played more Golf....

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

Corbic, from almost all news sources, there are NO details about the shooter in Dayton being an Obama supporter. Please provide your UNBIASED sources.

A real shame how "Social Media" scrubbed the guys accounts, no?

[RalliartRsX]

Corbic, you do you bud...........

I have nothing else to add......

[gbaby2089]

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[gbaby2089]

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[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Dayton shooter was a known anti-women/incel type.

Yeah man, leftists are known for that :rollseyes:
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Well, we all know Alpha Chad Types support Trump, and THOT supporting Soyboy Beta Incels are left...

Also, anyone sane of mind would realize such attacks are 100% counter productive. Just look at NZ? What came of it? They banned all guns and tripped the acceptance of Islamic Refugees.

If this twat wanted to "support the right", he should have joined the next Antifa protest as an Antifa actor and started shooting whatever "right wing" group they were protesting to martyr the cause.

False Flags work, just look at the Spanish American War, WW1 (several countries), burning of the Reichstadt, invasion of Poland, Vietnam War, WMD and Iraq 2.0, Syrian Gas Attacks, on and on and on.


Is Washington Times a Nazi site? I can't keep track.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2...h-warren-supp/

Guys name is Connor Betts, tons of shit popping up of him being a leftist antifa nut on a Google search. Is it true? Who knows. Does it even matter? Sucks Social Media deleted all his accounts so we can't see for our selves.

Now if you pull the dildo out of your ass, it's lot easier to see that crazy people have done crazy shit for years. Regardless of whatever these idiots claim to justify their actions, at the end of the day, they are wack jobs who have been pumping out warning signs for years.

Even if you ban all the guns, they'll still have access to truck rentals, fertizlier and diesel fuel.

So what is a better method to provide early identification and engagement to such people?

Scrubbing the world of their internet presence and "refusing to give them fame" by withholding names and details is asinine at best.

Their whole life should be dumped in front of us so we can scrutinize and understand what might be warning signs. Just look at the Vegas shooter... Whole fucking world went silent on his ass.

Once we do that we need to have a serious, technical discussion on what to do with the mentally unstable and the chronicly homeless.

[Corbic]

Mentally Unstable and Chronicly Homeless

(topic change, sepporate post)

This country has a problem. We shut down the assylums and dumped these people into the streets. It's very hard to get treatment to disturbed adults. Once your 17, all you have to say is "Nope" and you can reject treatment.

West Coast homeless problem is not because rent is to high, minimum wage too low and racsims. It's chronic drug use and mental disabilities.

Personally, I think establishing rustic camping sites that offer free food, housing and BASIC medical care is the answer. This would be log cabins with only lighting and wood stoves, whole food like potatoes and stew and medical care like broken limb setting, asprine and antibiotics.

Residents would be expected to fell trees for fire wood, manage the grounds and latrines, wash and mend clothing, cook food etc. In turn, it's better than living on the street and they can just hang out in their hammocks getting high all day long once thier choirs are done.

Is it grim? Yup
Is it awful? Maybe

Is it more humane to the homeless and society instead of letting them rot on street corners, under bridges and in parks? You bet.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Dayton shooter was a known anti-women/incel type.

Yeah man, leftists are known for that :rollseyes:

Also, the El Paso shooter liked this photo on twitter:

From this graphic we can either gather Trump has a lot more POC that support him than the media portrays (which I actually do believe, just not in this case), or very few of the mass shootings are done by extremists on the Right. It’s just the agenda what the Liberal ran media pushes.

The latter is obviously the case.

I watched Colion Noir on TMZ this afternoon and the thing I got from it is people have NO FUCKING clue what semi auto means. Colion tried to explain it but got stepped on, and also didn’t do the best job. He got close but they went a different direction. The TMZ hosts were in fact advocating for the government to start taking people’s semi auto weapons (“why do you even need one?”). What they don’t realize is even a revolver is semi auto. Colion tried to make the point that virtually anything other than a muzzle loader is semi auto and they just laughed it off...ie DON’T know WTF they’re talking about. Over and over they interchangeably used semi auto and assault rifle, thinking only AR’s are semi auto.

What I do wish he would have stressed as well is that most fire arm murders are done with hand guns, and not AR’s.

Taking people’s firearms is NOT going to happen in the US. This ain’t Australia. The sheer talk of that will lead to sky rocketing firearm and ammo sales. I’ll be right there with everyone.





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[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

I know you have zero understanding of how US government works, but a congressman is not a mayor, city council member, governor, member of the state senate/house, etc.

Just like a POTUS is not responsible for security at a Walmart in El Passo?

EC is supposed to represent his constituents at the Federal level. Illegal aliens detained in Texas are not his constituents.

I don't see him screaming for Federal help to clean up his litter box. That's something most of these scumbags have forgotten because they get entrenched without the risk of losing their seat and are more interested in taking care of the party. (that's both parties, BTW)

[spooled240]

So is AOC to blame for the attack on the ICE facility that happened a little while ago?

Is Obama responsible for the shootings of the Dallas police officers back in 2016?

Just want to see if there's any consistency here..

[lewisfk]

Exitspeed please add the link to were you got that info. The FBI crime stats are not tracking that many shootings in the U.S. involving 4 or more victims. 2149

Check this out!

https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/ucr/nibrs

[RalliartRsX]

Originally Posted by lewisfk

Exitspeed please add the link to were you got that info. The FBI crime stats are not tracking that many shootings in the U.S. involving 4 or more victims. 2149

Check this out!

https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/ucr/nibrs

I have my doubts the sources will be of unbiased in nature. And below is based off a little digging I did on this particular image.

If you do a Google image search, it was originally perpetuated and posted by David Duke (David Duke.com)

And who is David Duke you ask??

The one and only 5th Grand Wizard of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan

If one are going to reference source material perpetuated by the Grand Wizard of the KKK in an debate then I question the credibility and one should question it's own source material......

In addition, several things I noticed right away in my search
1) There are no names or associated crimes attached to the images and it just seems like a collage of random pics with a caption. My search brings up exactly zilch on who exactly these people are


2) The image is so small, I am unable to make out the text in the lower right.

However, if it fits a certain narrative one is trying to portray, in that sense ofcourse it can be used in a argument.......REGARDLESS of the original source and who perpetuates it, right??

In addition, this has been picked up by 4Chan and several other ultra conservative media and sites...........and ultra conservative media are the only sources citing this image. No where else via either FBI database, or any other official crime statistic is citing this info.

So I am not sure what to make of that particular post apart from it being a collage of images with a Photoshoped title....

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by lewisfk

Exitspeed please add the link to were you got that info. The FBI crime stats are not tracking that many shootings in the U.S. involving 4 or more victims. 2149

Check this out!

https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/ucr/nibrs

I didn’t make the graphic, but I did some independent research about a month and a half ago and went back like 20 mass shootings and indeed it’s not all white guys. Not even close. I basically went off of the Wiki page of the list of mass shootings and then googled each one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States

I was discussing mass shootings and Right extremism with a friend, who worked for Obama, because he claimed (erroneously) that “all mass shootings in 2019 were done by Right Wing extremists”. So I spent about an hr doing the research and sending him the names of mass shooters. Afterwards he admitted he made that statement in error. Which really pissed me off because I spent all that damn time looking the shit up.

Fact is, it’s not only white people. It’s certainly not only or even mostly right wing extremists. And what no one on the left gives a fuck about are the countless minority’s being murdered every single day in democrat ran shitholes (Chicago, Milwaukee, etc) around the country. Which are almost exclusively done with handguns.

So yeah, speaking of narratives. That doesn’t fit.

Oh and speaking of David Duke. https://www.instagram.com/p/B0zmH5an...=1u2u57fiuzwoi

[exitspeed]

I'll also add Dan O'Donnell's research he posted today.

https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/feat...shooting-myth/

In the wake of the deadly mass shootings in Dayton and El Paso over the weekend, traditional and social media exploded with the astonishing claim that America has had more than 250 such mass shooting incidents in just the first seven months of this year. In fact, with more than 250 incidents in just 219 days, the number of mass shootings has dwarfed the number of days in 2019.

This claim has, of course, been used to bolster arguments that America is an inherently violent place, that it needs stricter gun control laws and even gun confiscation, and that politicians (Republicans specifically) are complicit in this orgy of murder.

This claim is also wildly misleading at best and wholly inaccurate at worst.

The FBI defines a "mass murder" or "mass killing" as "a number of murders (four or more) occurring during the same incident, with no distinctive time period between the murders." There is no standard definition for "mass shooting." The "250 mass shootings in 219 days in 2019" claim comes from data collected by the Gun Violence Archive, which defines a mass shooting as any incident in which four or more people are shot.

This includes shootings in which no one was killed, domestic violence incidents, murder-suicides, gang and drug shootings, drive-by shootings, accidental firearm discharges, and any incident at all in which four people or more are shot. The commonly accepted definition of a mass shooting--an individual randomly opening fire on a group of people--varies significantly from this and thus a great deal of context is needed before the Gun Violence Archive's statistics can be accepted at face value.

The overwhelming majority of the 255 mass shootings in the database as of this writing were either gang-related shootings or domestic incidents that did not target random people. For instance, a full 20 of them (7.8%) occurred in the city of Chicago alone, and nearly all of these were drug and/or gang-related. Nine of the 255 mass shootings (3.5%) occurred in Baltimore, and again nearly all involved drugs and/or gangs. Six took place in Washington, DC, while an additional four occurred in St. Louis. Taken together, four cities accounted for more than 10% of all of the mass shootings in 2019.

Additionally, 34 mass shootings (13%) occurred in California alone. Once again, the overwhelming majority were either domestic incidents or gangland shootings.

129 of the 255 mass shootings the Gun Violence Archive cataloged had no fatalities. In 73 of them, only one victim was killed (though others were wounded). In 11 of them, three people were killed. Only 27 meet the FBI's definition of a "mass killing" of four or more people (not including the gunman) killed in one location.

Of the remaining 27 incidents that do meet the FBI's definition of a mass killing, Nine were domestic incidents. Five were gang or drug-related attacks. One was a homeowner in Houston, Texas shooting five people who were allegedly breaking into his home and may well prove to be a valid use of lethal self-defense.

This means that just 12 incidents this year would meet the commonly accepted definition of a random mass shooting. This is a high number to be sure, but it is a far cry from the 250-plus in 219 days in 2019.

[gbaby2089]

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