The 2020 Presidential Race

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

That's not your argument. Your argument is that I "want mandated government housing." You don't get to move the goalposts every time you forget how to read.



I specifically said the following: "That's not what I'm advocating. I'm advocating for zoning laws to be heavily relaxed and for a developer to get a tax break (aren't they called stimulus?) to build housing."



This is why I'm not going to go through the effort of trying to teach you anything- because you will instantly move the goalposts and say "nuh uh, this is what I was saying." You have no interest in being correct, you only have an interest in drawing out whatever it is until whoever you're arguing with loses interest and you get to move onto some other inane fucking talking point that you read on Patriot Post.



Fucking potato.

Except naw bruh. I SEE want your are typing but I "UNDERSTAND" what you are meaning.

You can dress it up however you want but your end goal is to eliminate personnel transportation and heard everyone into dense high-rise living conditions.

You'll use arguments of environmental protection, equality, efficiency, etc.

You are trying to make it a "Libertarian" argument by saying your relaxing regulations (zoning) and supporting businesses (subsidizing construction). Then when people's property values crash you'll use eminent domain to "free market aquire" their homes for more planned development.

That's simply Socialist Bullshit. Your fucking over people rights to private property to pander to those without property while helping increase the wealth gap with crony construction contracts.

By rezoning you are trying to strip people of their property protection and wealth. You're then giving our tax money to wealth investment development groups, much of which are owned by the Chinese today. Your plan is a massive wealth consolidation and step towards collectivism.

Corbic's idea of a nice home:



And your proposal....

[KA24DESOneThree]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Except naw bruh. I SEE want your are typing but I "UNDERSTAND" what you are meaning.

You can dress it up however you want but your end goal is to eliminate personnel transportation and heard everyone into dense high-rise living conditions.

You'll use arguments of environmental protection, equality, efficiency, etc.

You are trying to make it a "Libertarian" argument by saying your relaxing regulations (zoning) and supporting businesses (subsidizing construction). Then when people's property values crash you'll use eminent domain to "free market aquire" their homes for more planned development.

That's simply Socialist Bullshit. Your fucking over people rights to private property to pander to those without property while helping increase the wealth gap with crony construction contracts.

By rezoning you are trying to strip people of their property protection and wealth. You're then giving our tax money to wealth investment development groups, much of which are owned by the Chinese today. Your plan is a massive wealth consolidation and step towards collectivism.

Corbic's idea of a nice home:

And your proposal....

Ay mami, you're breaking mi corazon!

My goal is keeping ICE cars on the road by moving low-income people who work low-paying jobs to those jobs.

My goal is letting low-income people keep more of that money in their pocket if they so wish, allowing them the option of getting an education, be it college or vocational training, or allowing them the option of moving to an area where they have advancement opportunities.

What you're not understanding is that I want low-income housing built in industrial zones, like run-down blocks in Vernon. I want low-income housing replacing a whole block of small, dilapidated houses off E Slauson. See that empty lot at the corner of Telegraph Rd and E Washington Blvd in Commerce? Put a 30-story apartment complex there for the people who work in Commerce and Vernon. Take a block on the outside of the Fashion District and put up a building.

You'd have to consider pedestrian infrastructure, parking for residents who still want to own cars, etc. It can't be half-assed, it needs to be thought through not only for now, but for 50 years from now. It needs green spaces and needs to be free from addicts ODing on benches.

Depending on how well you prepare, you might start reducing the need for 12-lane highways. You might need 10-lane highways, giving you the ability to put light rail in existing transit corridors.

Build in protections against predatory investment firms and international investors. Sit down, start with the idea, and start going through everything affected by that idea.

Do you really think it's the American Dream to own a house you can barely afford an hour and a half away from where you work? Is it the American Dream to have two financed cars in the driveway and an 8'x8' square of front yard?

We need to be smart if we're trying to tackle complex problems. We need to think holistically, we need to involve people smarter than ourselves, we need to let scientists and data analysts actually help drive our decision-making.

[spooled240]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Ay mami, you're breaking mi corazon!



My goal is keeping ICE cars on the road by moving low-income people who work low-paying jobs to those jobs.



My goal is letting low-income people keep more of that money in their pocket if they so wish, allowing them the option of getting an education, be it college or vocational training, or allowing them the option of moving to an area where they have advancement opportunities.



What you're not understanding is that I want low-income housing built in industrial zones, like run-down blocks in Vernon. I want low-income housing replacing a whole block of small, dilapidated houses off E Slauson. See that empty lot at the corner of Telegraph Rd and E Washington Blvd in Commerce? Put a 30-story apartment complex there for the people who work in Commerce and Vernon. Take a block on the outside of the Fashion District and put up a building.



You'd have to consider pedestrian infrastructure, parking for residents who still want to own cars, etc. It can't be half-assed, it needs to be thought through not only for now, but for 50 years from now. It needs green spaces and needs to be free from addicts ODing on benches.



Depending on how well you prepare, you might start reducing the need for 12-lane highways. You might need 10-lane highways, giving you the ability to put light rail in existing transit corridors.



Build in protections against predatory investment firms and international investors. Sit down, start with the idea, and start going through everything affected by that idea.



Do you really think it's the American Dream to own a house you can barely afford an hour and a half away from where you work? Is it the American Dream to have two financed cars in the driveway and an 8'x8' square of front yard?



We need to be smart if we're trying to tackle complex problems. We need to think holistically, we need to involve people smarter than ourselves, we need to let scientists and data analysts actually help drive our decision-making.

I agree with this as long as people won't be pressured or forced in some way to live in these apartment complexes in the city. I for one have lived in these human bee hives and can't stand them.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Originally Posted by spooled240

I agree with this as long as people won't be pressured or forced in some way to live in these apartment complexes in the city. I for one have lived in these human bee hives and can't stand them.

My family lived in a small apartment block over a hotel in Munich, and my friends at the time all lived in apartments. Everyone was happy and we were all within walking distance of public transport and shopping.

Millions upon millions of people live in apartment buildings. I'm not suggesting the creation of fucking gulags, I'm suggesting that Americans need to get used to the fact that a housing shortage, environmental concerns, and uneven distribution of wealth means we need to reconsider how we live. Just because we have wide open spaces doesn't mean we need to fill them with cookie cutter houses filled with cookie cutter people working cookie cutter jobs until they can retire and take a vacation to fucking Cancun every year.

A three-bedroom house with three generations living in it and having to drive miles to get fresh groceries versus three single-family apartments that take up the same footprint but have access to fresh groceries within walking distance? I'd take the latter every single time.

If you can't build out, you have no choice but to build up.

Corbic, how the fuck are you going to save up to buy a house when you have $8.61 left over after every paycheck and you end up having to spend $500 a year in maintenance on your car, putting you -$400 on December 31? You gonna bootstrap your way up the corporate ladder when you grew up behind the eight ball, undernourished, undereducated, without the Internet, and with parents who grew up in the same poverty cycle they brought you into?

How are you going to get to Kansas on a donut spare in a car that drinks coolant and with an overdrawn bank account? Hard work? Handies in truck stop bathrooms?

I'm outta touch? Bite me.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Corbic, how the fuck are you going to save up to buy a house when you have $8.61 left over after every paycheck and you end up having to spend $500 a year in maintenance on your car, putting you -$400 on December 31? You gonna bootstrap your way up the corporate ladder when you grew up behind the eight ball, undernourished, undereducated, without the Internet, and with parents who grew up in the same poverty cycle they brought you into?



How are you going to get to Kansas on a donut spare in a car that drinks coolant and with an overdrawn bank account? Hard work? Handies in truck stop bathrooms?



I'm outta touch? Bite me.

Wow, sounds like a bunch of made up problems that could be easily overcome if you actually wanted too.

Americans, under nourished? Surreee, the only "hungry" kids are victims of child abuse and we have all sorts of programs in place to fix that. That's an extreme outlier . Might as well talk about the blind and deaf dwarf.

Undereducated? Where in the US do we not have free public education?? If your fault I'd you don't learn shit.

Without Internet? Prior to 2005, nobody had fucking "internet" .

Poor Parents? And what? Bad news bruh, I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth and I've owned two houses now. Bought my first with $8k down at $85k when I was making $40,000 a year.

Broke car, wanna get to Kansas, got no friends?

Sell the POS and all your shit for $2,500 and buy a bus ticket for $600. You got $1,900 now and can crash at the local motel cockroach for $300/M, ramen is $1/day. You got two months to find some part time work and a place to rent.

Work your way up.

https://youtu.be/UKfmRhfuI8g

^ when I wanted to save up to travel or for car parts, I've literally done exactly that 6 times now (6 months total) because my normal eating out habits can easily run $20/day average. Boom damn near $4k for free.

Make the short term hard sacrifices for the long term gains.

[zombiewolf513]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Do you really think it's the American Dream to own a house you can barely afford an hour and a half away from where you work? Is it the American Dream to have two financed cars in the driveway and an 8'x8' square of front yard?

Absolutely. People want equity.

This idiot thinks people want to live in commie blocks like the rat utopia experiments. Just stop typing. Listen more. Youre out of touch af.