The 2020 Presidential Race

[RalliartRsX]

Originally Posted by SupaDoopa

So you're assuming that the 'bad boys' are black? Did I ever mention colors of their skin? What if I told you they're white? Does that make their pardons worse because only the white guys were freed? What if I told you most were from suburban cities and towns and not many from inner cities?

I think the only thing people are screaming right now is "have factual backing before you open your mouth! This is how you decimate your credibility!"

Y'all really reaching right now. All we need is Crotchburn to show up and say there isn't any evidence here even though it's on the fucking public and governmental record websites.

'Shit ain't real until I say it's real, nazi.'

For someone who supposedly did a dissertation, you are very incapable of reading....

As I said below

But with that said, pivoting a little; America's war on drugs unequivocally impacts communities of color. Throw someone in the ghetto, not give them a shred of respect or ability to earn or go to school (and when they go to school, because of shitty schooling system because low property tax intake), install draconian drug laws, and then lock them up and scream "see thugs!!!". Yeah, that is how yo decimate an entire class of people

I am NOT talking about pardons. I am VERY clearly talking about the war on drugs,. I EVEN SAID I AM MAKING A PIVOT!! I AM TALKING ABOUT THE WAR ON DRUGS!! I SAID NOTHING ABOUT YOU MENTIONING RACISM!!

Jesus TAP DANCING christ dude. Why the fuck are you so angry all the fucking time?? I have respectfully responded to you over the last few pages and all you can spew is some angry as shit.

#snowflake. Where every single fucking thing sets your hair on fire. Supa is the definitive snowflake hahahahahah!

[RalliartRsX]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Still waiting on that specific, provable, factual evidence of widespread fraud and/or undue influence. You've had weeks and can only redirect to Giuliani slapping a podium and blogspot posts.

Not a single claim made in front of a judge. Not even an insinuation in front of a judge.

Don't insult me and change the subject again. Post that proooooooof.

I got your fraud right here homie!!

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/politics/...POTZKVMO5ESJQ/

A Florida attorney is at the center of a new state investigation after elections officials say he recently attempted to register to vote in Georgia and instructed other Florida Republicans on how to do it .

Bill Price is seen in a now-deleted Facebook Live video, speaking to the Bay County GOP members in Florida on Nov. 7th. It was about half an hour after the election was called for the Joe Biden-Kamala Harris ticket.

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Weren't the right wing pearl clutchers of zombie and co talking about this very same thing?? Hahahahaha!

Just so happens, its on their side of the isle

You literally cannot script this shit..........

[SupaDoopa]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

For someone who supposedly did a dissertation, you are very incapable of reading....

As I said below



I am NOT talking about pardons. I am VERY clearly talking about the war on drugs,. I EVEN SAID I AM MAKING A PIVOT!! I AM TALKING ABOUT THE WAR ON DRUGS!! I SAID NOTHING ABOUT YOU MENTIONING RACISM!!

Jesus TAP DANCING christ dude. Why the fuck are you so angry all the fucking time?? I have respectfully responded to you over the last few pages and all you can spew is some angry as shit.

#snowflake. Where every single fucking thing sets your hair on fire. Supa is the definitive snowflake hahahahahah!

I'm a snowflake? Weird. Because if anything, you're the one triggered using capitalization and exclamation points to show how adamant you are about shit no one cares about. I'm just over here laughing at you.

https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/snowflake/

[RalliartRsX]

Great. SO you admitted you are unable to read.
Thanks for establishing that lol!

[SupaDoopa]

Can you quote the part that I admitted I cannot read? 'lol!'

[kingkilburn]

Masculine conservative bully types have always been the brittle little special snow flakes. The very thought that someone is doing something you don't agree with sends you into a fit, and boy is there ever a list of other peoples' business you don't agree with.

[SupaDoopa]

I guess you don't know what 'snowflake' means or what 'having a fit' really contains. I'm not mad at all, friend. It's just odd how public you are in proving how fucking stupid you are. It's like you will stop at nothing to show us your lack of intelligence and comprehension of anything. If you don't know how to absorb and analyze information, you just cast it to the side and say it isn't proof.

You not watching the video and seeing what's happening is 'proof.' You know, the shit you're so adamant for. Pleb.

[kingkilburn]

You should do stand up

[SimpleS14]

Originally Posted by !Zar!

Can we talk about how Trump wants to abuse pardons? Preemptive pardons for possibly himself, and his family? El-oh-el

IMO, the only way Trump can legally pardon himself is if he resigns and Pence assumes to the role of President and issues a pardon. I really think he's going to do this since he's already been indirectly referenced as a co-conspirator in a federal indictment as "Individual-1".

As for the family, they are in the spotlight already in NY and D.C., so while a pardon will help them from federal charges...they are still in potential legal jeopardy for state & local charges. Also given that these investigations are related to taxes, insurance and business transactions, they (Trump and family) will need to make sure they don't run afoul when they file their federal tax returns in 2021. Pardons only work on past offensives, not future crimes.

[kingkilburn]

You still can't pardon coconspirators and you can't pardon people as a furtherance of criminality. DOJ is already knee deep into investigating Trump pardons.

[SupaDoopa]

Originally Posted by SimpleS14

IMO, the only way Trump can legally pardon himself is if he resigns and Pence assumes to the role of President and issues a pardon. I really think he's going to do this since he's already been indirectly referenced as a co-conspirator in a federal indictment as "Individual-1".

As for the family, they are in the spotlight already in NY and D.C., so while a pardon will help them from federal charges...they are still in potential legal jeopardy for state & local charges. Also given that these investigations are related to taxes, insurance and business transactions, they (Trump and family) will need to make sure they don't run afoul when they file their tax returns in 2021. Pardons only work on past offensives, not future crimes.

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't he technically have the power to grant himself clemency without having to resign?

[SupaDoopa]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

You still can't pardon coconspirators and you can't pardon people as a furtherance of criminality. DOJ is already knee deep into investigating Trump pardons.

Can't wait to see how the Supreme Court handles this one.

[kingkilburn]

There's no reason for the SCOTUS to even be involved. This is current precedent, it's just not been tried by a president.

Constitutional Republic, man. No kings.

[RalliartRsX]

Originally Posted by SupaDoopa

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't he technically have the power to grant himself clemency without having to resign?

Federally "maybe".

However, if trump's entire angle is to pardon himself to escape "federal" crimes then, good luck. There is no precedent as such

But that does NOT negate Criminal suites brought on by states. Or in essence, he cannot pardon himself from State laws.

[RalliartRsX]

Originally Posted by SupaDoopa

..... It's like you will stop at nothing to show us your lack of intelligence and comprehension of anything.


....

...Says the guy who is unable to realize, read and comprehend when someone says "Pivot" but you carry on a discussion with yourself anyways....


Or unable to read and comprehend basic timelines.....

[SimpleS14]

Originally Posted by SupaDoopa

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't he technically have the power to grant himself clemency without having to resign?

I'm going to speculate and say no, because it would be a similar posture to trying to perform a self-pardon. Also for clemency to be effective, Trump would have to have been convicted and sentenced for specific federal charges. This scenario has not happened since he can't be indicted while being President nor did he face any convictions before assuming the presidency.

[deolio]

Originally Posted by zombiewolf513

How are you going to get that without an investigation? without questions? without witnesses? without court hearings? with machines being 'updated' and destroyed?

No modern American election steal is going to be designed to get its mask pulled off like some fucking episode of Scooby-Doo.

I know you know better, so I can only assume that you don't care if the election were stolen so long as you think it benefits you.

I need to stop using hyperbole in here lol

There was a movie that came out about 10 years ago that I was referencing, which exposed most of the vulnerabilities they discussed in that hearing. Lawmakers have known of these issues for a long time. The failure is on both sides of the aisle. The fact that it took until now to supposedly be exploited is highly suspicious.

Look at how many possible explanations there are:
1. Human error - shitty system with shitty government support plus the complexity of adding the mail-in ballot.
2. Democrats rigged it yet managed to do it in the least sneaky manner ever and were so bad at it they couldn?t even win the senate.
3. Republicans knew it could be a tight race and that introduction of mail voting would cause a total clusterfuck and then encouraged clusterfuckery so they could take legal action should they lose the election.
4. Outside interests wanted to destabilize the USA by dividing the country and making their beloved voting system look like a sham.
5. Some other shit I haven?t thought of.
E. All of the above to a degree

I?d take #1 tbh. In that hearing yesterday the clerk (err I forget her title) and cyber security guy mentioned how poorly trained staff were. That manual for the machines was thicccc. There are a million ways people could have fucked up. Even the witnesses didn?t seem to fully know what they were doing.

I would support a thorough forensic investigation of the machines and a revamp of the entire fucking voting system though. Government contracts need to be rigorously vetted, especially when it comes to voting machines and materials (30 of 50 fucking boxes were trash?!!).

[SupaDoopa]

Originally Posted by !Zar!

Quality vs Quantity.


Your logic is that of a tyrant. If one isn't doing anything illegal, they shouldn't be worried about having measures in place to get one(s) out of jail.

Remember, this is the one associated with the saying, "lock them up".

Oh, I remember two of the persons covered by Obama's pardon.

Oscar Lopez Rivera and Chelsea Manning should be a good start for your spirited reading. You know, a fucking drug lord and a tranny who was court marshalled for espionage.

Real winners.

[RalliartRsX]

.....To be fair, a nixon wanna be or Michael flint (I wont EVER call him a general) are NOT any winners by a long shot....

[SupaDoopa]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

.....To be fair, a nixon wanna be or Michael flint (I wont EVER call him a general) are NOT any winners by a long shot....

It's Flynn...

[RalliartRsX]

..........lol I am well aware.

But that how little respect I have for "him".....

[Green Arrow]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

..........lol I am well aware.

But that how little respect I have for "him".....

We're all dumber for your' initial mistake, and attempt at cover.

dumbass.

[zombiewolf513]

Originally Posted by deolio

I need to stop using hyperbole in here lol

There was a movie that came out about 10 years ago that I was referencing, which exposed most of the vulnerabilities they discussed in that hearing. Lawmakers have known of these issues for a long time. The failure is on both sides of the aisle. The fact that it took until now to supposedly be exploited is highly suspicious.

Look at how many possible explanations there are:
1. Human error - shitty system with shitty government support plus the complexity of adding the mail-in ballot.
2. Democrats rigged it yet managed to do it in the least sneaky manner ever and were so bad at it they couldn?t even win the senate.
3. Republicans knew it could be a tight race and that introduction of mail voting would cause a total clusterfuck and then encouraged clusterfuckery so they could take legal action should they lose the election.
4. Outside interests wanted to destabilize the USA by dividing the country and making their beloved voting system look like a sham.
5. Some other shit I haven?t thought of.
E. All of the above to a degree

I?d take #1 tbh. In that hearing yesterday the clerk (err I forget her title) and cyber security guy mentioned how poorly trained staff were. That manual for the machines was thicccc. There are a million ways people could have fucked up. Even the witnesses didn?t seem to fully know what they were doing.

I would support a thorough forensic investigation of the machines and a revamp of the entire fucking voting system though. Government contracts need to be rigorously vetted, especially when it comes to voting machines and materials (30 of 50 fucking boxes were trash?!!).

Remember when Trump told everyone to vote in person and through absentee? I think we need to investigate if that resulted in double votes.

There's too many holes. Too much evidence and now PROOF that laws were broken stacking up. Too many dems REEing too hard during these hearings trying to memory hole everything and throw around the word 'discredited'. If the people on these legislatures don't do their jobs now, there's going to be a BIG civility problem on the streets.

[kingkilburn]

Where's this evidence and proof? Not Giuliani talking about proof existing somewhere but the actual shit? If there's so much of it it should be simple to provide a sample.

[zombiewolf513]

Why would I spoon feed you?

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

I want you to consider for a moment how fucking awful the republican is that I know full fucking well that the DNC straight up fucking stole it from Bernie not once but fucking twice and voting for Joe goddam Biden is STILL better than the alternative.

You sit there blabbering about dissecting anything that comes your way, but all you've done is deflect and bury your head in the sand with your selective outrage nonsense.

[kingkilburn]

No one gives a shit what you have to say when you refuse to back your claim. Keep up the big talk and subject change one two punch, big guy.

[SupaDoopa]

Ah, I was waiting to see how long it took for you to cower back into your old habits we all know you for. The answer is 14 minutes. It took you 14 minutes to retract back into your vaginal cavity.

[zombiewolf513]

I have backed my claims. You have failed to disprove them, ass.

[kingkilburn]

You got any evidence, ScupaPoopa?

[zombiewolf513]

idiot kilburn thinks a racist caricature isn't racist because he likes it. is this really unexpected behavior?

you just keep interrupting with nonsense because you know you're wrong and you need to cope. its okay to cry sometimes, big boy.