General politics discussion. Keep it civil.

[tuzzio]

[QUOTE=Phlip;6418013 it is the teachers' fault for not wanting to carry guns and defend the children.
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I'm not sure I would've chosen the word "fault" but I can agree that teachers should push back and take a more defensive stand point as well. After all, their lives are at risk as well.

My girlfriend is a certified ALICE instructor. Its amazing how little this information is presented to people in (potential) positions where this would be particularly useful training.

Controversial standpoint: I'm a firm believer that people are the problem, not the weapon. Humans are trash.

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by tuzzio

I'm not sure I would've chosen the word "fault" but I can agree that teachers should push back and take a more defensive stand point as well. After all, their lives are at risk as well.

My wife is weapons trained, having transferred from probation to teaching, and she would absofuckinglutely quit on the spot if required to take up a weapon for this shit and I 100% stand behind that.
It is not the already underpaid teachers' job to be in a goddamned shootout, when said shootout could have been avoided.

[Future240]

Originally Posted by Phlip

My wife is weapons trained, having transferred from probation to teaching, and she would absofuckinglutely quit on the spot if required to take up a weapon for this shit and I 100% stand behind that.
It is not the already underpaid teachers' job to be in a goddamned shootout, when said shootout could have been avoided.

Agreed.

I have an idea. We should hire other people who are firearms trained to respond quickly to active shooter situations and deal with the perp. We can identify these people with official seals, hmmm maybe something like a badge. We can even give them a uniform so lots of people recognize them. Better yet, lets give them a car clearly marked that has flashing lights so people know who they are.

That way when something happens these people can respond quick as possible to defuse the situation.

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by Future240

I have an idea. We should hire other people who are firearms trained to respond quickly to active shooter situations and deal with the perp. We can identify these people with official seals, hmmm maybe something like a badge. We can even give them a uniform so lots of people recognize them. Better yet, lets give them a car clearly marked that has flashing lights so people know who they are.

That way when something happens these people can respond quick as possible to defuse the situation.

You mean the assholes who engaged the guy before he went in, and then cowered outside the school and did nothing for 45 minutes, don't you?
DON'T YOU, CALVIN?!!?

[Future240]

Originally Posted by Phlip

You mean the assholes who engaged the guy before he went in, and then cowered outside the school and did nothing for 45 minutes, don't you?
DON'T YOU, CALVIN?!!?

No because those are police. Police do not have a legal responsibility to protect you.

https://prospect.org/justice/police-...ct-the-public/