The Future Automotive Thread

[Dutchmalmiss]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Why not the Turbo-3 out of the Yaris/Corolla?

SERIOUSLY THIS. Lexus also offers a 240hp 4-cyl in their base IS300

GR86 base should've been the 240hp lexus turbo-4
then a GRMN86 with the 300+hp turbo-3, give it better brakes/suspension/interiors. blow this one up to like $45k or something. people will pay for it.

[thermogod]

Originally Posted by kanyedian

I'm crossing my fingers though that legislation is passed (or executive order) that will delay or remove the absolutely abhorrent and crippling emissions measures on automobile manufacturing that is coming down the pipeline in the next decade or so.

"They" really do want people staying in their homes and only using public transportation lol. The death of an industry. Modern cars are SO expensive due to all these sensors and complex technology that "helps" drivers/pedestrians and is "safe."

I was thinking about this while working on my S13. it's my first s-chassis and I was able to disconnect everything and drop the entire front and rear subframe by myself. not a flex, just part of my point that it's the complete opposite of my 2019 daily driver.

it takes several sockets, extensions, swivels etc. to replace the spark plugs on my daily. the charge pipes have pipe clamps that can't be reached from the top. the plastic covering on the bottom of the car means that you can either jack up the car, or rest it on jack stands, because there isn't enough room for both.

with an S13, there's like 3 moving parts in my engine bay. I can replace the headers with 10 bolts. I can replace a timing chain with enough time and knowledge. not so easy on something 30 years newer. i know why it's happening, but i hate it...

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by thermogod

with an S13, there's like 3 moving parts in my engine bay. I can replace the headers with 10 bolts. I can replace a timing chain with enough time and knowledge. not so easy on something 30 years newer. i know why it's happening, but i hate it...

welcome to the age of appreciating simpler times. theres a reason so many of us "old folk" still love and adore the s-chassis. there will NEVER be another car like it! thru all its ups and downs, the s-chassis will always be a VERY special car.

[cdlong]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

welcome to the age of appreciating simpler times. theres a reason so many of us "old folk" still love and adore the s-chassis. there will NEVER be another car like it! thru all its ups and downs, the s-chassis will always be a VERY special car.

Yeah. And I'm shocked how quickly and easily people can pull an engine out of a muscle car and swap in a completely different setup. "Progress"

[feito]

is the new z out in the wild already? Havent seen any in my AO

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by feito

is the new z out in the wild already? Havent seen any in my AO

I've seen a few. Not impressed.

Only production numbers I've seen is 250 for 2022 and 450 sold in Q1 of 2023.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by cdlong

Yeah. And I'm shocked how quickly and easily people can pull an engine out of a muscle car and swap in a completely different setup. "Progress"

Eh, don't need to pull engines these days.

The 240SX was basically a Japanese Fox Mustang. I have a quote from a Japanese Tuner that was "the 180Sx was the best tuning car ever because you could actually make changes and feel the improvements."

This was because the base car was such a wet noodle hot mess. Unlike a brand new 911 or Corvette which is just dialed in. Hell, even an FRS, most suspension mods are going to make the car noticeably worse.

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by feito

is the new z out in the wild already? Havent seen any in my AO

guy in my neighborhood had one out front of his house on wheels and coilovers. looked pretty good. drastic improvement over the 370z... though, still the same car. nissan taking a page from Dodge's book.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

guy in my neighborhood had one out front of his house on wheels and coilovers. looked pretty good. drastic improvement over the 370z... though, still the same car. nissan taking a page from Dodge's book.

They wish.

LX cars dominated in sales and profitablity. Challenger and Charger combined outsold the Mustang by fathoms. They are also the most stolen car in the country by a significant margin.

Nissan's FX platform never tapped into the pure love that the LX cars did. LX cars are beloved because they meet customer expectations, large, planted and comfortable with that old school big body muscle car feels. Reminiscent of all those old Mopar and Body on Frame cruisers.

FX on the other hand has always been blasted as a compromised overweight and numb feeling sporting chassis.

[dorkidori_s13]

i meant more along the lines of using the same chassis over and over, just updating as it goes along... the FM (not FX) platform has been around since what? 2002? i meant theyre taking a play dodges (and chevys and fords) book in just sticking with one platform and maximizing profits from it since there is marginal retooling involved versus generating an entirely new platform that, in nissans case, would probably perform better over all due to its age... but again, profits!

i agree with you heavily though on dodges approach in actually meeting their customers expectations. seems like dodge followed the idea of "here is something you didnt know you needed!!!" with editions like the Hellcat and people ate it up! funny how that works... and didnt nissan used do that too in some alternate and long forgotten reality? lol

my how times have changed...

[WaTit]

Is the longevity of Nissan's FM platform, in use since 2002, a strategic move similar to Dodge's approach, maximizing profits with marginal retooling? How do you think this strategy compares to the customer-centric approach of Dodge, particularly with their successful introduction of editions like the Hellcat?

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by WaTit

Is the longevity of Nissan's FM platform, in use since 2002, a strategic move similar to Dodge's approach, maximizing profits with marginal retooling? How do you think this strategy compares to the customer-centric approach of Dodge, particularly with their successful introduction of editions like the Hellcat?

I feel like Nissan is irrelevant and circling the drain in zombie mode.

[Future240]

Originally Posted by Corbic

I feel like Nissan is irrelevant and circling the drain in zombie mode.

I concur. Look at their lineup. Ditching cars for suv's and crossovers like a lot of manufacturers are doing.

[Dutchmalmiss]

Outside of the Z/GTR, anyone who buys a new Nissan is probably in the same group that buys a new Mitsubishi.

Crazy time we live in that Hyundai/Kia has more sporty offerings than Nissan at the moment.

[collegekid]

Not to California Bash, but uhhhhh WTF?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ca...9d0f5950&ei=65

How do you think this will affect new cars?
If you thought T56s are expensive now......


Makes me think of Sweden and their "A traktor" law, except for everyone ALL the time.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/tra...icence-needed/

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by collegekid

Not to California Bash, but uhhhhh WTF?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ca...9d0f5950&ei=65

How do you think this will affect new cars?
If you thought T56s are expensive now......


Makes me think of Sweden and their "A traktor" law, except for everyone ALL the time.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/tra...icence-needed/

As predicted with the push for EVs. Soon you'll get taxed by miles driven, locations visited and time of day used.

Also, I bet there was a racial element to that 30% death in the Bay area...but let's not address THAT issue.

[Future240]

So the C8 ZR1 is crazy awesome.

The new charger is DOA in my opinion. An electric muscle car that is slower than a much cheaper tesla is just stupid.

[altitude]

Yes but,,, it makes engine noises!

They also patented simulated shifting for EVs to jerk us around, not sure if they implemented it.

[Future240]

I saw that too. Hybrids make so much sense than EV's. I was talking to a Telsa owner who told me that I could TOTALLY make road trips with it. I just had to plan in an HOUR of charging for every 300 miles.

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[altitude]

I own a Tesla 3 Standard Range since 2019. Let's say I leave now with a 100% battery and road trip to Toronto (350 miles) I have to make two 15 minutes stops at Superchargers and arrive at destination with 15% left. Another 15min charge there and I'm back at 80%.

Newer Teslas or Long Range versions need less stops obviously.

So yeah that's in the ballpark of 1 hour more time wasted compare to ICE, maybe even more in winter when it's cold.

However, the convenience of charging at home 99% of the time is worth the trade off for me.

Now back on topic, I really like the look of the new Charger and I hope the twin turbo inline 6 proves reliable.

[Dutchmalmiss]

I love that we're so desensitized with "Silvia revival" news fallouts that the most recent reports aren't even being posted here haha. I'm sure the sentiment doesn't change until we at least see a new concept, because the IDX concept is hard to top. Slotting it between the Z and GTR is weird. Making it an EV is weird. But whatever, I've given up with Nissan at this point haha.


https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...-another-brand