V8 In an 89 240 Fastback!!!

[HiPSI]

Originally posted by andrave
GOOD GOD MAN NOOOO!!!

plus you would fuck up your local dragstrip's "import vs domestic war" night, since... that thing is a bastard. in more than one way.
And so are you for proposing it.

what the fuck do you think you can do that hasn't been done already? lets see, v-8 in a 240? gee i've NEVER seen that before


only 20 times before. its what guys do when they can't afford a real engine. they figure, well, the camaro has the rear end blown up, and the 240 has the blown engine.. deerrrr....
and they toss it together and it sucks bitter ass.

waste of everything, time, money, whatever. you would be better off selling your poor 240 to someone that cares about it and buying yourself an IROC Z.
good luck with the mullet. they are tricky.

what exactly is wrong with taking a 240 with most likely a blown ass KA and putting a more powerful and more readily available engine? he's breathing life into a dead old car it seems so big deal if it's an american engine he wants in there. the same argument goes on on the miata boards when someone wants to take a salvaged or blown up miata and put a 302 swap in it. hell, the 302 in the miata only disrupts the weight balance to 52/48 from pretty much 50/50 and the miata engine weighs much less than a KA. i really don't think he's wanting to do it to be "special"(if he wanted that he would've done the V8 into a civic or something)

[vodka]

Some guy did this for the GRM $2k2 or 3 challenge, so that would be a good source if you wanted to start looking somewhere. I've seen a couple of guys around with 302's on NICO, not here though for some reason.

[240sxconversion]

DSC, i am talking about it hitting the shock towers, i am almost 100% sure that it would be too wide. As far as me saying about the 302 parts, i am talking about if u have a new 5.0 302 comared to a old 66 302 totally different, and no parts are interchangeable, not even the tranny. So you would have to get parts from a car that has everything. and if u go with newer 302 need to wire in EFI which is pain in the but. So a old 302 would be best choice, but if u look at Chevy 350 alot of parts can be taken off other chevys like the dizzy, unlike with a ford where all dizzys are different.

[Ghettokracker71]

Originally posted by HiPSI
what exactly is wrong with taking a 240 with most likely a blown ass KA and putting a more powerful and more readily available engine? he's breathing life into a dead old car it seems so big deal if it's an american engine he wants in there. the same argument goes on on the miata boards when someone wants to take a salvaged or blown up miata and put a 302 swap in it. hell, the 302 in the miata only disrupts the weight balance to 52/48 from pretty much 50/50 and the miata engine weighs much less than a KA. i really don't think he's wanting to do it to be "special"(if he wanted that he would've done the V8 into a civic or something)

An SR or RB is also readily available,just requies more money...and if he can't afford to do the thing right,he shouldn't do it at all...

If he wants to be special,I got one for you...

Buy an '80's tercel/nova for like $150 that still runs....limp it home....and drop a big block in it....426 hemi,528 crate hemi,454 chevy,502 crate chevy...whatever you want !

Or how about getting a vanagon and dropping a GT3 driveline in it ?

There is too many nice options that are NISSAN MADE for this car to murder it by dropping an amercian V-8...hell,find an old Infiniti Q45/M45 in the junkyard,thats a V-8 ! VG30DET? VG35DE? SR20VE?CA18DET? Be the first to drop a QR25DE(t) in !

[DSC]

I'm not as nice as ca18guy so check this out...

Ghettokracker71(and andrave too...sorry), your dumb, or atleast narrowminded....about as dumb and narrowminded as I was when I posted in this thread over a year ago. I'm not going to post any detailed information on anything relating to the topic because I know you won't listen anyway.

[SleepySR]

how about a Q45 v8 or that new 5.6l v8 out of hte titan/armada

[Ghettokracker71]

Originally posted by DSC
I'm not as nice as ca18guy so check this out...

Ghettokracker71(and andrave too...sorry), your dumb, or atleast narrowminded....about as dumb and narrowminded as I was when I posted in this thread over a year ago. I'm not going to post any detailed information on anything relating to the topic because I know you won't listen anyway.

Pray tell Mr. Phychiatrist what makes aperson dumb simply because they simply disagree with your opinion ?

Also pray tell,why I would be narrow minded simply because I don't like the idea of this swap ? How do you know I don't appreciate,and love,and maybe even have performed "crazy" swaps before ?

Wouldn't you thinking myself and andrave dumb make you the narrowminded person ?

"Internet arguments are like winning the special olympics, even if you win,you're still retarted."

Why also would you assume I wouldn't listen to what you have to say(type) ? Isn't that what forums are all about ?

I know that I am completely new to the RPS13,but I am not new to engine swaps....even ones with adifferent manufacter for the engine/trans than of the body of the vehicle being worked on.

A 240sx(as we all know) is a lightweight sports car,that (USDM Version anyway) is not very powerful,but has balls,and plants the turns really nicely,its made to have fun with...not to drop an oversized honker detriot V-8 in.And I understand that if somebody on this forum wants to do it they will definitely pay no mind to my opinion anyway.

Granted;everything I just said you will most likely pay no mind to,and "flame out" every sentence of mine saying I am an idiot.





Either way...to the person that started this thread: Good luck with whatever you do,just do it right !

[DSC]

I'm not trying to pick appart anybodies posts.,..

Whether its a good idea or not, you don't really give any reasoning other than "its not nissan" which I feel is narrowminded.

I'm not saying a v8 is a good idea, or that its worth the effort, only that its an option that would turn out REALLY well if done right. Hell, i'd do it if I had time and money to have a project car. Why not limp a $150 s13 home and drop a v8 in it?

Stock ka swapped in for a stock 5.0 v8 would be a horrible idea because the weight penalty (and time/money) wouldn't be worth it, but a modded v8 matched with the right tranny choice can be quite light. With a proper suspension and some weight reduction you should be doing pretty good. All the same would go for the rb also, only they cost more and at the same time make more power stock.

but I'm not trying to say its a better or worse option than an RB or even a ka turbo...just that it shouldn't be dismissed so quickly because its a huge overweight piece of junk(unless it really is junk, heh) or not nissan.

Someone should modify the rsx engine for rwd and throw that in a 240 or drop an s2000 engine in or a 302 or an rb26 or a rotary....just depends on your goal. fastest car for the least money, fastest car with the most bling, fastest car for the least work, or just a good boost in performance w/out too much money, or...or...or...

*shrugs* I've just learned too much since I was saying the same thing as you guys, to read your posts and not say anything.

[andrave]

you can measure someone's intelligence because their opinion on a matter of taste differs from yours?

You must have intense powers of microphallus.

[DSC]

Originally posted by andrave
you can measure someone's intelligence because their opinion on a matter of taste differs from yours?

You must have intense powers of microphallus.

[HiPSI]

"A 240sx(as we all know) is a lightweight sports car,that (USDM Version anyway) is not very powerful,but has balls,and plants the turns really nicely,its made to have fun with...not to drop an oversized honker detriot V-8 in.And I understand that if somebody on this forum wants to do it they will definitely pay no mind to my opinion anyway."


so every american made V8 is an oversized honker V8 huh? that's why most of them only weigh at most 100lbs more than a KA? sure he could do an RB, but the intial cost is much higher and what happens when you blow the engine or need parts? you WAIT, and WAIT, and WAIT. with a 302/350 you call up summit and have your stuff in 2 or 3 days at most for 1/10th the price of RB parts.

everyone keeps trying to offer "solutions" to what motor to swap, but none of them are realistic. go find a Q45 and pull the V8 out of it, hope you like an automatic and a 4" thick trunk of wiring to try to figure out. same for the Titan V8, that is IF you can even find one, let alone the price you'd pay for it. wiring up a 5.0L EFI system would take me a day at most, they're simple as hell compared to our beloved nissan engine management systems and you can get pre-made swap harnesses from companies like Painless wiring that make it so incredibly easy. as for the weight difference, that's nothing too bad, the center of gravity on a V8 would be lower than on an inline motor, and if placed correctly (as far back as possible) wouln't harm the weight distribution of the car much at all. nothing a pair of stiffer springs and maybe a new stiffer swaybar couldn't fix.

[andrave]

even ford abandoned pushrods....
chevy 350 is the only one to hold on and as its applications dry up (bye bye camaro piece of shit) chevy is looking towards overhead cams for the next vette.

[DSC]

pushrods allow for a more compact engine, weight lower, smaller heads which are all nice things but what are the disadvantages when compared to ohc? dohc v8's are HUGE, i'm sure they use them for a reason though...

[Ghettokracker71]

Originally posted by HiPSI
"A 240sx(as we all know) is a lightweight sports car,that (USDM Version anyway) is not very powerful,but has balls,and plants the turns really nicely,its made to have fun with...not to drop an oversized honker detriot V-8 in.And I understand that if somebody on this forum wants to do it they will definitely pay no mind to my opinion anyway."


so every american made V8 is an oversized honker V8 huh? that's why most of them only weigh at most 100lbs more than a KA? sure he could do an RB, but the intial cost is much higher and what happens when you blow the engine or need parts? you WAIT, and WAIT, and WAIT. with a 302/350 you call up summit and have your stuff in 2 or 3 days at most for 1/10th the price of RB parts.

everyone keeps trying to offer "solutions" to what motor to swap, but none of them are realistic. go find a Q45 and pull the V8 out of it, hope you like an automatic and a 4" thick trunk of wiring to try to figure out. same for the Titan V8, that is IF you can even find one, let alone the price you'd pay for it. wiring up a 5.0L EFI system would take me a day at most, they're simple as hell compared to our beloved nissan engine management systems and you can get pre-made swap harnesses from companies like Painless wiring that make it so incredibly easy. as for the weight difference, that's nothing too bad, the center of gravity on a V8 would be lower than on an inline motor, and if placed correctly (as far back as possible) wouln't harm the weight distribution of the car much at all. nothing a pair of stiffer springs and maybe a new stiffer swaybar couldn't fix.

1.Show me where I said every american V-8

2.I never said anything about WEIGHT as apposed to initial size it takes up,and litre per HP/TQ out put

a 5.7 V-8 cubic inch engine making 210-310hp(stock carbed form) is terribly inefficient compared to a 3.5L V-6 that puts out 285hp,now isn't it ?

[DSC]

Show me where I said every american V-8

Your statment made no provision for anything other than an "oversized honker detriot V-8". There are some SHITTY 4 and 6 cyl engines out there, why not compare those.

a 5.7 V-8 cubic inch engine making 210-310hp(stock carbed form) is terribly inefficient compared to a 3.5L V-6 that puts out 285hp,now isn't it ?

*shrugs* who cares? I certianly don't care who makes the most efficent engines...just the ones that can make the best power for the least amount of weight penalty. Thats what it is all about, hp vs weight not displacment since that has no effect on you...

Ghettokracker71, I just don't understand. Does nissan sponsor you? If not, why are you so against the possiblity of a swap outside nissan if it can make power and still be cheap and light weight. So what if the technology is 10000 years old, IF it goes fast I surely don't care who makes it or when it was made.

How do you feel about an rx7 or supra engine in a 240sx?

[kazuo]

Enough of this Import vs Domestic bullshit...

Either talk about the subject at hand (putting V8s or similar into S-chassis) or shut the hell up.

Anyway, I think theres one chick (!) that posts here that put a small block 305 Chevy (I think thats what it was anyway) into her S13...

It wouldn't be the first either. It's been done before. Just use Google.

Good luck with the swap, I'd love to see more hybrid cars out there.. too many people let their idiotic, baseless bias get in the way.

[Var]

I'd get a 302 block bare. Buy a 1500 dollar stroker kit.302-->347

Brodix aluminum heads. Cartech intake manifolds. Cartech single turbo "Thumper"kit w/T-88. and not to mention 1700 horses.

http://www.cartech.net/fordturbofxthp.htm

[andrave]

do whatever makes you happy, its you that has to do the swap and you that has to drive it, if a v-8 burble makes you happy then by all means pursue it.

who the fuck are we to tell you what is cool or what isn't cool.

I don't think its really cool myself, but if you do then go for it, and fuck everyone else.

[wootwoot]

personally i think its a terrible waste of a 240. arent these cars supposed to be more about handling than 1/4 mile times? ive seen it done to rx-7's multiple times and it made me want to cry for the poor things. it went completly against the design principal of that car, as would this be going against the principal of the 240.sell your 240 and get a camaro, trans am, or mustang if your heart aches for a v-8 so badly. no custom fabrication needed there.

[RedlineRacer]

Why are you guys arguing over a thread that is over a year and a half old?

[Var]

Originally posted by wootwoot
personally i think its a terrible waste of a 240. arent these cars supposed to be more about handling than 1/4 mile times? ive seen it done to rx-7's multiple times and it made me want to cry for the poor things. it went completly against the design principal of that car, as would this be going against the principal of the 240.sell your 240 and get a camaro, trans am, or mustang if your heart aches for a v-8 so badly. no custom fabrication needed there.

i kinda wish i had dragged out my s13 now cause it's good for it. For the turns i would have bought a car that really handles. like an ae86.

[Ghettokracker71]

Originally posted by andrave
do whatever makes you happy, its you that has to do the swap and you that has to drive it, if a v-8 burble makes you happy then by all means pursue it.

who the fuck are we to tell you what is cool or what isn't cool.

I don't think its really cool myself, but if you do then go for it, and fuck everyone else.

Yeah,I'd definitely have to agree !

DSC->I'd much rather see an imported car stay with an imported drivetrain...and yes,that would include a 2JZ or 13B swap,just as much as I am not going to buy a chevelle and throw a Lexus 4.3 in it...

I know I'm an asshole at times...most of the time...so sorry !

[S13Nismo]

OK, heres my idea for you:

Get a ford 302. One out of a Mustang LX/GT preferably. Use a shortened drive shaft to get to the Rear End. Just use the Nissan Rear End. Get the wiring, brakcets, cpu, etc.

Reasons to use the Ford 302:
1. HUGE AFTERMARKET
2. Cheap replacements
3. Slimmer block
4. Lighter Weight
5. Easier to tune (from few personal experiences)
6. FAST stock
7. Very cheap engine
8. Did I say HUGE AFTERMARKET

There is just so much you can do with a 302 than what you can do with a 350.

Bottom Line.
Ford 302,
cheaper,
faster,
better.

[Ghettokracker71]

Originally posted by S13Nismo
OK, heres my idea for you:

Get a ford 302. One out of a Mustang LX/GT preferably. Use a shortened drive shaft to get to the Rear End. Just use the Nissan Rear End. Get the wiring, brakcets, cpu, etc.

Reasons to use the Ford 302:
1. HUGE AFTERMARKET
2. Cheap replacements
3. Slimmer block
4. Lighter Weight
5. Easier to tune (from few personal experiences)
6. FAST stock
7. Very cheap engine
8. Did I say HUGE AFTERMARKET

There is just so much you can do with a 302 than what you can do with a 350.

Bottom Line.
Ford 302,
cheaper,
faster,
better.

Cheaper? Yeah

Faster? Not stock VS stock

Better ? Depends...



I definitely agree,if you had to make this thing a V-8,the 302 would be the better choice

[mamchayle]

if it were me i would do the Q45 v-8, because of weight (all aluminium),and it puts out decent horsepower and tourqe (somewhere around 300 i hear but not to sure). another reason i would think about doing it ,because no one has big enough balls to try it. for crying out loud some guys are using the front brake setup of Q-45 so why not the engine.

[Phlip]

Why has this old and pointless thread been revived not once, but TWICE?!!?

[ThatGuy]

This thread was started in 2002 and has revived every year since then at least once. I'm going to make sure it doesn't get revived again.