ca18det in an S14

[blu808]

Ok i understand the cheapness of the ca powerplant, etc. But you may want to consider a different powertrain seeing as there is little aftermarket support, and oem parts availible comparitive to sr20 parts, or even rb parts.

Also That is a very old motor.

Just thought i would put a thought into it for you.

[thesilviadaemon]

Originally Posted by blu808

and oem parts availible comparitive to sr20 parts, or even rb parts.

OEM parts are MUCH easier to find than sr20, or rb. Almost all the parts to the CA can be gotten at your local parts store.

Hey Spenc, this is Brandon. I can help you with the motor swap, but it won't get done in a day

[sLiDewAys]

Originally Posted by blu808

Ok i understand the cheapness of the ca powerplant, etc. But you may want to consider a different powertrain seeing as there is little aftermarket support, and oem parts availible comparitive to sr20 parts, or even rb parts.

Also That is a very old motor.

Just thought i would put a thought into it for you.

such a predictable SR owner remarck... there is a lot of arftermarket support seeing that all the turbo and plumbing from sr can be directly linked to the ca18 w/ minor changes. all yuour fuel injector needs can be found at the local junk yards for under 100.00. as for tuning, w hich becomes a problem becasue not many people int eh states care for ca nor want to reflash their ECM's but u can pikc up these ROM chips CUSTOM from this guy online, he tunes and sets them for your specific settings and u just SAFC the rest........ as for ca18 being OLD? what... by 1 year? LMAOs erriously they stopped production in 91 which is when sr debuted... which is probly the year half the sr's here on zilvia are. as for ca18 parts being a rarity to find for replacment, you can jsut go down to the junk yard and pull most of everything off of ca16de ( cams, water pump pulley and some other things i havent uet tried) the dealership can get just about oanyand everything for th e ca18de and ca18et turbo from the s12 200sx. and by the motor being old has nothing to do with how it will perform if it is in good running condition...unles your car houses one and youve tried to see its potential when moded then dont speak.. the sr20 is a good decent motor but just take a look at the ca's characteristics, closely similar to rb.





***quote) from midwest240sx.com

"The Technical @#%$:

The CA used an iron block unlike the SR which runs an aluminum block but despite that there is not much of an overall weight difference in the two motors. The CA LIKE THE SR has the piston oil squirters and crank stud girdle. The SR uses a 4 runner manifold into a 4 port head, the CA on the other hand runs a 4 runner manifold that splits into 8 entering the head as an 8 runner manifold. The big difference in the two motors is in the valvetrains. The SR20 only has 4 cam lobes per cam not 8 like the CA does. With 8 valves per side on the SR Nissan had to use a rocker arm arrangement to actuate paired valves simultaneously from a single lobe. It's cheaper to implement than the CA's setup but causes valvetrain loss and noise. The CA runs true 8 lobe cams which act directly on top of the valves. Much more effecient, less moving parts, better revs, etc.. That's one of the reasons that the CA is considered to be a more FREE REVVING engine than the SR. The biggest advantage the SR20 has is it is a bigger capacity motor. 2.0L in comparison to the CA's 1.8 ( no replacement for dispacement right?) . The SR20 has a relatively long stroke, it's stroke is longer than the width of it's bore. The stroke to rod length ratio is at a point where the engine still revs well, but it suffers from "excess stroke". This is another reason the the ca is considered to be better reving (smoother not higher), unlike the SR with it's "over-square" design the CA uses a square design (stroke=bore). The SR is capable of handling more power on the stock bottom end. I've heard of 400-450PS being possible with the correct tuning on a stock SR bottom end while 400PS isn't quite feasble with an CA18DET... A big reason again being the difference in displacement.
(quote) from midwest240sx.com*****

[JH]

Originally Posted by sLiDewAys

there is a lot of arftermarket support seeing that all the turbo and plumbing from sr can be directly linked to the ca18 w/ minor changes. all yuour fuel injector needs can be found at the local junk yards for under 100.00. as for tuning, w hich becomes a problem becasue not many people int eh states care for ca nor want to reflash their ECM's but u can pikc up these ROM chips CUSTOM from this guy online, he tunes and sets them for your specific settings and u just SAFC the rest........

awesome! so to get parts to work on the CA18 you need to either modify them or get them from the junkyard??? I'm sold!! that's the RIGHT way to do it i tell ya!
post from other board is erroneous btw... i.e. sr20 is square motor, not over-square... and how many people have personally had revving problems with sr20 besides what they read about on the internet? it does happen, but not as often the internet tells you, esp if you're not a negligent driver. aw shit whoops, this is zilvia.... um.... ok don't get sr20s pls.

[blu808]

Originally Posted by sLiDewAys

such a predictable SR owner remarck... there is a lot of arftermarket support seeing that all the turbo and plumbing from sr can be directly linked to the ca18 w/ minor changes. all yuour fuel injector needs can be found at the local junk yards for under 100.00. as for tuning, w hich becomes a problem becasue not many people int eh states care for ca nor want to reflash their ECM's but u can pikc up these ROM chips CUSTOM from this guy online, he tunes and sets them for your specific settings and u just SAFC the rest........ as for ca18 being OLD? what... by 1 year? LMAOs erriously they stopped production in 91 which is when sr debuted... which is probly the year half the sr's here on zilvia are. as for ca18 parts being a rarity to find for replacment, you can jsut go down to the junk yard and pull most of everything off of ca16de ( cams, water pump pulley and some other things i havent uet tried) the dealership can get just about oanyand everything for th e ca18de and ca18et turbo from the s12 200sx. and by the motor being old has nothing to do with how it will perform if it is in good running condition...unles your car houses one and youve tried to see its potential when moded then dont speak.. the sr20 is a good decent motor but just take a look at the ca's characteristics, closely similar to rb.





***quote) from midwest240sx.com

"The Technical @#%$:

The CA used an iron block unlike the SR which runs an aluminum block but despite that there is not much of an overall weight difference in the two motors. The CA LIKE THE SR has the piston oil squirters and crank stud girdle. The SR uses a 4 runner manifold into a 4 port head, the CA on the other hand runs a 4 runner manifold that splits into 8 entering the head as an 8 runner manifold. The big difference in the two motors is in the valvetrains. The SR20 only has 4 cam lobes per cam not 8 like the CA does. With 8 valves per side on the SR Nissan had to use a rocker arm arrangement to actuate paired valves simultaneously from a single lobe. It's cheaper to implement than the CA's setup but causes valvetrain loss and noise. The CA runs true 8 lobe cams which act directly on top of the valves. Much more effecient, less moving parts, better revs, etc.. That's one of the reasons that the CA is considered to be a more FREE REVVING engine than the SR. The biggest advantage the SR20 has is it is a bigger capacity motor. 2.0L in comparison to the CA's 1.8 ( no replacement for dispacement right?) . The SR20 has a relatively long stroke, it's stroke is longer than the width of it's bore. The stroke to rod length ratio is at a point where the engine still revs well, but it suffers from "excess stroke". This is another reason the the ca is considered to be better reving (smoother not higher), unlike the SR with it's "over-square" design the CA uses a square design (stroke=bore). The SR is capable of handling more power on the stock bottom end. I've heard of 400-450PS being possible with the correct tuning on a stock SR bottom end while 400PS isn't quite feasble with an CA18DET... A big reason again being the difference in displacement.
(quote) from midwest240sx.com*****

Ohh sorry. I really must not know anything about these motors considering i have done countless sr swaps, a few ca swaps, and rb swaps. Im just saying the ca is a piece of crap. Thats my opinion, and get over it.

BTW i have blown up many sr motors and I believe they suck as well. Thats why im going to a ls1.

[TheTicTac]

Originally Posted by blu808

Ohh sorry. I really must not know anything about these motors considering i have done countless sr swaps, a few ca swaps, and rb swaps. Im just saying the ca is a piece of crap. Thats my opinion, and get over it.

BTW i have blown up many sr motors and I believe they suck as well. Thats why im going to a ls1.

So LS1's don't blow up?

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by TheTicTac

So LS1's don't blow up?

I have never seen one blown the fuck up for what seems to be no reason at all, while I personally know 2 people and have talked with 3-5 others who have blown SRs up under what was basically normal operation and I even know a couple of KAs to send themselves off to hell for no apparent reason.

[NismoSilvia270R]

http://www.paddy.co.jp

f'it

i got a magazine [?'king of used parts'?] that has garage paddy's ca18det s14 on the cover.

its yellow and silver

if i find pics that work...

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by NismoSilvia270R

http://www.paddy.co.jp

all I saw on that page was this:

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... and I don't understand that gibberish at the bottom

[TheTicTac]

Originally Posted by PHLIP

I have never seen one blown the fuck up for what seems to be no reason at all, while I personally know 2 people and have talked with 3-5 others who have blown SRs up under what was basically normal operation and I even know a couple of KAs to send themselves off to hell for no apparent reason.

Damn pretty scary, good thing they didn't mass produce the SR.. or KA

Constant High revs will bring down the LS1 or any motor for that matter. From what I have seen the piston rings do a number on the walls and the stock oil pan needs to go if you plan on a high g/machine. Do you ever wonder why LS7 went dry sump?

[blu808]

Originally Posted by TheTicTac

So LS1's don't blow up?

No infact no motors just blow up.


Motors blow up because.

Dumb noobs dont know what they are doing.

Installation incorrect.

Part failures due to unseen things.

beating the hell out of them and using them for what they are meant to do. (me)

[TheTicTac]

Originally Posted by blu808

No infact no motors just blow up.


Motors blow up because.

Dumb noobs dont know what they are doing.

Installation incorrect.

Part failures due to unseen things.

beating the hell out of them and using them for what they are meant to do. (me)

My point exactly. Any motor will blow up if you don't know what you are doing. So to the thread starter, get whatever you want.