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speed racer · 07-22-2005, 08:37 PM

i just got my dream car 1996 240sx se it bone stock but i have big plans for it.but i dont know if i should change the internals on my stock 2.4 engine or go for the swap sr20det. some of my worries that if i change all my internals will i have problems down the road with the block....? and will i be able 2 get 450+hp with turbo out of my stock block with no problems....? any one who can help......

aznpoopy · 07-22-2005, 08:47 PM

450hp out of a stock ka24de. no.
450hp out of a built ka24de-t. yes.

450hp out of a stock sr20det. no.
450hp out of a built sr20det. yes.

by buying a 240sx you are pretty much guaranteed to have 'problems down the road', whether you modify it or not.

my advice is to buy a FSM, invest in tools, and start with maintenance on the car.

SR240DET · 07-22-2005, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by aznpoopy

450hp out of a stock ka24de. no.
450hp out of a built ka24de. yes.

450hp out of a stock sr20det. no.
450hp out of a built sr20det. yes.

by buying a 240sx you are pretty much guaranteed to have 'problems down the road', whether you modify it or not.

my advice is to buy a FSM, invest in tools, and start with maintenance on the car.

finally... somebody who knows that both engines are equal..... sorry... lots of "is better than" for a long while on this forum...

basicly kid... aznpoopy said it right... learn how to work on your car... before you decide to make "big plans"...

speed racer · 07-22-2005, 09:01 PM

im new 2 the 240sx sceen what the diffince between a ka24de and a sr20det........?

eyustfu · 07-22-2005, 09:03 PM

just use the search function and you'll find all the information you need to know

ka24det-power · 07-22-2005, 09:07 PM

I have both a KA24DET and now a SR20DET. IMO the SR is the way to go.

For the price of a Turbo kit you can have a swap in your car that will run a lot nicer.

The KA24DET route requires fabrication and sometimes it can be hard to find performance parts. Internals are more expensive, harder to find, and the fact is the KA was not designed for boost. I have friends with very nice KA24DET's but for the price and headache IMO it is not worth the outcome.

In Japan they have been building SR's for over a 10 years the knowledge and developement of products for the SR is unmatched in the 240 world.

Don't get me wrong I really liked my KA but I love my SR.

I am going for 400 rwhp at 19psi on Sunday so lets keep our fingers crossed.

The Hamsterball · 07-22-2005, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by aznpoopy

450hp out of a stock ka24de. no.
450hp out of a built ka24de. yes.

450hp out of a stock sr20det. no.
450hp out of a built sr20det. yes.

by buying a 240sx you are pretty much guaranteed to have 'problems down the road', whether you modify it or not.

my advice is to buy a FSM, invest in tools, and start with maintenance on the car.

*ding *ding *ding, we have a winner.

I say, to make it easier on yourself, do the 100 mile test.

Then do the 500 mile test. Then do the 1,000 mile test.

After that, do the 3,000 mile test.

That means, drive it for 3000 miles, and see what comes up before kicking yourself in the head for putting something like springs/shocks on your car if you have a timing chain rattle when your timing chain guides have already been removed, or a similar problem.
(I myself have MORE repairs on my 240SX than aftermarket mods, but I have a devilish bad luck S13 which isn't like any other S13 you've seen, so you might not have it as bad)

Good luck!

speed racer · 07-22-2005, 09:10 PM

what do you suggest is the best way 2 lern 2 fix your own car.....?

aznpoopy · 07-22-2005, 09:20 PM

here's a plan:

buy or download a FSM (factory service manual)

-the FSM has a 'basic maintenance' section.
-every weekend, do one of those basic maintenace items (changing the oil, coolant flush, changing belts, etc.)
-note you will need to invest in parts, tools, and misc stuff to get jobs done
-as problems crop up, fix them. and trust me... you WILL have problems (that's what the FSM is for)
-after you've owned the car a few months, you should start to get a feel for what you should be doing next.

speed racer · 07-22-2005, 09:37 PM

that sound like a good idea the guy who sold it 2 me told me he had done some thing 2 the internals my guess is he rebuild it it has 180,000mil and it runs great what do you think...?

aznpoopy · 07-22-2005, 10:21 PM

do a compression test

then you'll have a good idea how healthy your engine is.

kandyflip445 · 07-23-2005, 12:02 AM

The engine isn't the only thing that will need attention. The suspension/body should be looked over too. Bushings, alignment, rust, all that kind of stuff too.

Yoshi · 07-23-2005, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by aznpoopy

450hp out of a built ka24de. yes.

I call SHINANIGANS on that! LOL!

u not gettin that fo-fiddy w/o the T LOL!

aznpoopy · 07-23-2005, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

I call SHINANIGANS on that! LOL!

u not gettin that fo-fiddy w/o the T LOL!

lmao...

Quote:

Originally Posted by aznpoopy

450hp out of a built ka24de-t. yes.

fixed.

SR240DET · 07-23-2005, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ka24det-power

I have both a KA24DET and now a SR20DET. IMO the SR is the way to go.

For the price of a Turbo kit you can have a swap in your car that will run a lot nicer.

The KA24DET route requires fabrication and sometimes it can be hard to find performance parts. Internals are more expensive, harder to find, and the fact is the KA was not designed for boost. I have friends with very nice KA24DET's but for the price and headache IMO it is not worth the outcome.

In Japan they have been building SR's for over a 10 years the knowledge and developement of products for the SR is unmatched in the 240 world.

Don't get me wrong I really liked my KA but I love my SR.

I am going for 400 rwhp at 19psi on Sunday so lets keep our fingers crossed.

they been turboing L series engines since datsuns... ( L series is the... well... dad of the ka... the sohc and dohc ka head bolts right up to some 4 cylinder Lseries small blocks.. the KA is based off the L series)

the sr has its fair share of history as well.... so in "my opinion" i still think there both the same... i just had to add to that....

performance parts are about the same really.... there not hard to find for the ka... i mean a few sources have them but thats all thats really needed... the sr has a bigger following so i guess thats why it may seem that way.... just my opinion....

Pank · 07-23-2005, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by speed racer

im new 2 the 240sx sceen what the diffince between a ka24de and a sr20det........?

kill me right now

chlatboy · 07-23-2005, 04:12 AM

I find both motors to be pretty much the same. One problem i would have with the KA motors would be the fact that most of them have around a good 50k over sr's.

speed racer · 07-23-2005, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by aznpoopy

do a compression test

then you'll have a good idea how healthy your engine is.

what should my compression be

aznpoopy · 07-23-2005, 08:21 AM

you will find such information in the FSM, young grasshopper

speed racer · 07-23-2005, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by aznpoopy

you will find such information in the FSM, young grasshopper

thank you have been a big help

IGSDann · 07-23-2005, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by aznpoopy

you will find such information in the FSM, young grasshopper

Yes, he is a young grasshopper. Only 16... Who's buying the SR20 or turbo part for your car young'n?

Mervyn · 07-23-2005, 09:03 AM

check out the 'Archive and FAQs' forum section.. theres plenty of information in there.

speed racer · 07-26-2005, 05:39 PM

i checked under my car and most of my bushings are almost gone there falling apart is there a bushing set that includes all the bushings for the bottom of my car and what the most used

ucfz31s13 · 07-26-2005, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by speed racer

i is there a bushing set that includes all the bushings for the bottom of my car and what the most used

no there is not.

once the bushings are worn in 95+ 240sx's, the car is essentially totalled.

make sure you don't let your insurance company know, because they will drop you in a heatbeat.

time to sell it to an unknowing owner and find one with more life left in the bushyings.

sorry.

Revolver Ocelot · 07-26-2005, 06:10 PM

^And if you believe that you have no buisness even owning that 240 you just bought or any car for that matter. But ill be the nice guy and take that "totaled" 240 off your hands for a reasonable price.

ZK · 07-26-2005, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by speed racer

i checked under my car and most of my bushings are almost gone there falling apart is there a bushing set that includes all the bushings for the bottom of my car and what the most used

Not that I know of, but start by replacing the worn bushings, it will make a big difference. http://www.splparts.com has a lot of bushings and suspension bits. Also, http://www.pdm-racing.com/ has lots of bushings and suspension kits too.

SochBAT · 07-26-2005, 08:08 PM

i THINK Energy Suspension makes bushings for S14s, but im too lazy to check. FSM is your 240 bible, live it, learn it, use it. Alot of problems can be solved by jsut opening the book, n reading. Learn your car now, before you do anything as far as 'upgrading'

And im not used to seeing aznpoopy without his B&W ninja-samurai of death as his Avatar.

Change it back poopyman. actually, when i look at it now, i think its a colored version of the one you had before. Still, CHANGE IT

projectRDM · 07-26-2005, 08:56 PM

I usually try to avoid posts like this, but I'm at a loss here for comprehension, so here's my take on this. Your post reads as follows:

"i just got my dream car 1996 240sx se it bone stock but i have big plans for it.but i dont know if i should change the internals on my stock 2.4 engine or go for the swap sr20det. some of my worries that if i change all my internals will i have problems down the road with the block....? and will i be able 2 get 450+hp with turbo out of my stock block with no problems....? any one who can help......"

You've just purchased your dream car, congratulations. Now put down the issue of ImPoRt TuNeR, wipe the spew off yourself, and pay attention.
If the car is your 'dream car', why do you not even know what the engine code is? I bought my first 240 in 1995, but I already knew everything about it long before then. I'd say some forum members (the intelligent 4%) would also agree that if you've actually dreamed of owning this car you'd have a clue about it. You don't, so I call BS on that. If your dream is inspired by cool pictures in magazines that you jack off to in the bathroom and the 240 was the main one that caught your eye then say so. No need to impress anyone here, you're new, uneducated, and so far ignorant as hell.
Now, you're 16 yrs old. That's a strike two, because you've just gotten behind the wheel of a RWD car and have about as much driver training as a chickpea. Your main goal here is to achieve 450whp, that's strike three, because not only are you young and ignorant but now you've proven to be dangerous, you're going to surely kill yourself and possibly other people with that kind of power. 450whp in a 240SX is simply too much for any kind of regular driving, and even a lot for most sporting events. You don't seem interested in any of that or you would have thrown in suspension and braking concerns, so we'll assume you just want to impress the kids at your school. That's stupid.

Buy an FSM, study it and learn the car. Replace everything that needs it first to get it back to it's OE condition. That means tension rod bushings, tie rod ends, the front crank seal, rear main seal, the massive leak you surely have around the oilpan, bleed the brakes, check for seized calipers and untrue/warped rotors, all the things the car is definitely in need of. And believe me it needs all that and more. Then do a compression test, change the oil, etc and get a feel for the car in it's like new condition. Then go drive it, for a year, under careful conditions, not like an idiot that you kids seem to be behind the wheel of any car. Sign up for a few driving classes, learn car control, get with your local SCCA and do some closed course driving. Then hook up with one of the members here or locally to you that's a skilled driver and has 275-300whp and go for a ride. Then come back and tell us if you feel competent enough to handle your goal of 450whp.

If you think that's harsh, then go ahead with your plan. No one will care when you wrap it around a tree and kill yourself.

speed racer · 07-26-2005, 10:26 PM

yo you said it im 16 but my car is a long project it not like im gana swap and turbo it tomorrow it gana take me a wihle 450hp is my goal and yeah suspension breaking is also on my list so dont be surprised when you get smoked by this 16yr old

mjjstang · 07-26-2005, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by speed racer

i just got my dream car 1996 240sx se

I have to admit I chuckled when I started reading this.

and try saving money it makes u feel really good, I just started saving. makes me feel better then when I got my new turbo in the mail.

A CAR IS A POINTLESS MONEY PIT.

07-22-2005, 08:37 PM	#1
speed racer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: miami Age: 35 Posts: 12 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	help a young tuner with engine swap i just got my dream car 1996 240sx se it bone stock but i have big plans for it.but i dont know if i should change the internals on my stock 2.4 engine or go for the swap sr20det. some of my worries that if i change all my internals will i have problems down the road with the block....? and will i be able 2 get 450+hp with turbo out of my stock block with no problems....? any one who can help......

07-22-2005, 08:47 PM	#2
aznpoopy Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Jersey Age: 44 Posts: 5,013 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	450hp out of a stock ka24de. no. 450hp out of a built ka24de-t. yes. 450hp out of a stock sr20det. no. 450hp out of a built sr20det. yes. by buying a 240sx you are pretty much guaranteed to have 'problems down the road', whether you modify it or not. my advice is to buy a FSM, invest in tools, and start with maintenance on the car. Last edited by aznpoopy; 07-23-2005 at 12:32 AM..

07-23-2005, 12:02 AM	#12
kandyflip445 Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Arden, NC Age: 40 Posts: 4,460 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: kandyflip445 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	The engine isn't the only thing that will need attention. The suspension/body should be looked over too. Bushings, alignment, rust, all that kind of stuff too. __________________ My 240 vBgarage

07-23-2005, 04:12 AM	#17
chlatboy Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,252 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I find both motors to be pretty much the same. One problem i would have with the KA motors would be the fact that most of them have around a good 50k over sr's. __________________ If you dont know SEARCH!!!

07-26-2005, 08:56 PM	#28
projectRDM Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta Age: 51 Posts: 13,812 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	I usually try to avoid posts like this, but I'm at a loss here for comprehension, so here's my take on this. Your post reads as follows: "i just got my dream car 1996 240sx se it bone stock but i have big plans for it.but i dont know if i should change the internals on my stock 2.4 engine or go for the swap sr20det. some of my worries that if i change all my internals will i have problems down the road with the block....? and will i be able 2 get 450+hp with turbo out of my stock block with no problems....? any one who can help......" You've just purchased your dream car, congratulations. Now put down the issue of ImPoRt TuNeR, wipe the spew off yourself, and pay attention. If the car is your 'dream car', why do you not even know what the engine code is? I bought my first 240 in 1995, but I already knew everything about it long before then. I'd say some forum members (the intelligent 4%) would also agree that if you've actually dreamed of owning this car you'd have a clue about it. You don't, so I call BS on that. If your dream is inspired by cool pictures in magazines that you jack off to in the bathroom and the 240 was the main one that caught your eye then say so. No need to impress anyone here, you're new, uneducated, and so far ignorant as hell. Now, you're 16 yrs old. That's a strike two, because you've just gotten behind the wheel of a RWD car and have about as much driver training as a chickpea. Your main goal here is to achieve 450whp, that's strike three, because not only are you young and ignorant but now you've proven to be dangerous, you're going to surely kill yourself and possibly other people with that kind of power. 450whp in a 240SX is simply too much for any kind of regular driving, and even a lot for most sporting events. You don't seem interested in any of that or you would have thrown in suspension and braking concerns, so we'll assume you just want to impress the kids at your school. That's stupid. Buy an FSM, study it and learn the car. Replace everything that needs it first to get it back to it's OE condition. That means tension rod bushings, tie rod ends, the front crank seal, rear main seal, the massive leak you surely have around the oilpan, bleed the brakes, check for seized calipers and untrue/warped rotors, all the things the car is definitely in need of. And believe me it needs all that and more. Then do a compression test, change the oil, etc and get a feel for the car in it's like new condition. Then go drive it, for a year, under careful conditions, not like an idiot that you kids seem to be behind the wheel of any car. Sign up for a few driving classes, learn car control, get with your local SCCA and do some closed course driving. Then hook up with one of the members here or locally to you that's a skilled driver and has 275-300whp and go for a ride. Then come back and tell us if you feel competent enough to handle your goal of 450whp. If you think that's harsh, then go ahead with your plan. No one will care when you wrap it around a tree and kill yourself. __________________ FORMERLY R240NA Learn what's really going on and protect your assets now before they're gone forever: www.paypalsucks.com Last edited by projectRDM; 07-27-2005 at 09:01 AM..

07-22-2005, 09:01 PM	#4
speed racer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: miami Age: 35 Posts: 12 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	im new 2 the 240sx sceen what the diffince between a ka24de and a sr20det........?

07-22-2005, 09:03 PM	#5
eyustfu Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 781 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	just use the search function and you'll find all the information you need to know

07-22-2005, 09:07 PM	#6
ka24det-power Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 188 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I have both a KA24DET and now a SR20DET. IMO the SR is the way to go. For the price of a Turbo kit you can have a swap in your car that will run a lot nicer. The KA24DET route requires fabrication and sometimes it can be hard to find performance parts. Internals are more expensive, harder to find, and the fact is the KA was not designed for boost. I have friends with very nice KA24DET's but for the price and headache IMO it is not worth the outcome. In Japan they have been building SR's for over a 10 years the knowledge and developement of products for the SR is unmatched in the 240 world. Don't get me wrong I really liked my KA but I love my SR. I am going for 400 rwhp at 19psi on Sunday so lets keep our fingers crossed.

07-22-2005, 09:10 PM	#8
speed racer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: miami Age: 35 Posts: 12 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	what do you suggest is the best way 2 lern 2 fix your own car.....?

07-22-2005, 09:20 PM	#9
aznpoopy Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Jersey Age: 44 Posts: 5,013 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	here's a plan: buy or download a FSM (factory service manual) -the FSM has a 'basic maintenance' section. -every weekend, do one of those basic maintenace items (changing the oil, coolant flush, changing belts, etc.) -note you will need to invest in parts, tools, and misc stuff to get jobs done -as problems crop up, fix them. and trust me... you WILL have problems (that's what the FSM is for) -after you've owned the car a few months, you should start to get a feel for what you should be doing next.

07-22-2005, 09:37 PM	#10
speed racer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: miami Age: 35 Posts: 12 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	that sound like a good idea the guy who sold it 2 me told me he had done some thing 2 the internals my guess is he rebuild it it has 180,000mil and it runs great what do you think...?

07-22-2005, 10:21 PM	#11
aznpoopy Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Jersey Age: 44 Posts: 5,013 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	do a compression test then you'll have a good idea how healthy your engine is.

07-23-2005, 08:21 AM	#19
aznpoopy Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Jersey Age: 44 Posts: 5,013 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	you will find such information in the FSM, young grasshopper

07-23-2005, 09:03 AM	#22
Mervyn Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Uh Posts: 277 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	check out the 'Archive and FAQs' forum section.. theres plenty of information in there.

07-26-2005, 05:39 PM	#23
speed racer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: miami Age: 35 Posts: 12 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i checked under my car and most of my bushings are almost gone there falling apart is there a bushing set that includes all the bushings for the bottom of my car and what the most used

07-26-2005, 08:08 PM	#27
SochBAT Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Abilene, TX Age: 39 Posts: 6,428 Trader Rating: (9) Rides Gallery: SochBAT Feedback Score: 9 reviews	i THINK Energy Suspension makes bushings for S14s, but im too lazy to check. FSM is your 240 bible, live it, learn it, use it. Alot of problems can be solved by jsut opening the book, n reading. Learn your car now, before you do anything as far as 'upgrading' And im not used to seeing aznpoopy without his B&W ninja-samurai of death as his Avatar. Change it back poopyman. actually, when i look at it now, i think its a colored version of the one you had before. Still, CHANGE IT

07-26-2005, 10:26 PM	#29
speed racer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: miami Age: 35 Posts: 12 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yo you said it im 16 but my car is a long project it not like im gana swap and turbo it tomorrow it gana take me a wihle 450hp is my goal and yeah suspension breaking is also on my list so dont be surprised when you get smoked by this 16yr old