Titanium driveshafts & manifolds for Nissan 240sx SR & KA

[ka24deturbo]

Hey guys I was just wondering if there would be a market for these parts made in titanium? I know there is a group buy for aluminum driveshafts but would there be a benefit to having them made from titanium? Price would probably be in the area of $450-$500 shipped

I'm also thinking about importing a couple of titanium manifolds & titanium downpipes for the SR/KA/CA/RB would there be an interest? I don't want to import parts that won't sell if you know what I mean. Price is about $350 for manifold & downpipe set.

I just wanted to get some info. and what everybody thought about these products. The products would have a 1 year replacement warranty against defects including cracked welds which covers shipping of the replacement parts. I'm also willing to let someone that's known from these forums test these products like a mod or someone appointed by this sites users.

Mods: I'm planning on doing a group buy as soon as I open up a paypal business account. If this post is against any rules I apologize and please feel free to lock or delete it.

[ManoNegra]

How much research have you done on this? Seems to me, and I'm no expert, that Titanium is an expensive and difficult metal to work on... aka. much dinero. Am I missing something?

[ka24deturbo]

As far as what research? On the actual product? Let me know what you need to know and I can get the information for you, but I have imported parts with this company before so I do know they are a reliable company. They supply a few other companies here in the United States.

Feel free to post or PM me some questions that you have about the product and I'll ask the manufacturer. They usually get back to me within a couple of hours if not faster due to the time differences.

I'll have some pictures of the manifold & downpipe tomorrow, as far as the driveshafts I'll have to ship a stock driveshaft to them to have a prototype made. I'd just need to know if people would be interested so I don't waste time and money shipping such a heavy item.

[oneviaman]

if you can get me a titanium manifold and downpipe for my ka for only 350 you got a customer. a 12ft length of 2 inch titanium pipe is like 500 dollars. and thats just one pipe. make intercoller pipes for a ka24de(t) and those should sell nice if they are priced nicely

[A Spec Products]

good luck

titanium is dope as hell but convincing a 240 owner (who is usually on a budget to put it mildly) to pay for it is the hardest part.

we already have our lineup of titanium manifolds and full catback in R&D (for Evo 8). our titanium cat delete pipes are already on the market (for Evo 8) as well.

as for 240sx applications, i'm not sure whether or not the market supports it.

[S13FREEAAK]

I sent you a pm.

[chmercer]

the hell is the point of a titanium driveshaft. that makes no sense.

[ka24deturbo]

Originally Posted by A Spec Products

good luck

titanium is dope as hell but convincing a 240 owner (who is usually on a budget to put it mildly) to pay for it is the hardest part.

we already have our lineup of titanium manifolds and full catback in R&D (for Evo 8). our titanium cat delete pipes are already on the market (for Evo 8) as well.

as for 240sx applications, i'm not sure whether or not the market supports it.

It's good to hear from an insider regarding this, I really appreciate your time. I also agree with you as far as pricing goes which is why I negotiated pricing of these parts to the lowest price possible.

Originally Posted by oneviaman

if you can get me a titanium manifold and downpipe for my ka for only 350 you got a customer. a 12ft length of 2 inch titanium pipe is like 500 dollars. and thats just one pipe. make intercoller pipes for a ka24de(t) and those should sell nice if they are priced nicely

I'm already importing an RB manifold & downpipe to test out on my own car & an SR manifold/downpipe for another 240sx owner at the end of this month. I don't think anyone makes bov flanges out of titanium so unless they do then I don't think it's worth looking into.

[ka24deturbo]

Originally Posted by chmercer

the hell is the point of a titanium driveshaft. that makes no sense.

LOL I have no clue I just wanted to get feedback to see if there was a market for it.

[Jeff240sx]

Titanium doesn't weld like stainless or aluminum. So, mix-and-matching flanges onto aluminum or steel piping is stupid.
Get pics of said pieces. Because the material is expensive, and the welding takes specialized knowledge and materials. And more time than most other metals. So.. without pics, I'll dub them "Phantom Manifold Ti".
-Jeff

[ka24deturbo]

Originally Posted by Jeff240sx

Titanium doesn't weld like stainless or aluminum. So, mix-and-matching flanges onto aluminum or steel piping is stupid.
Get pics of said pieces. Because the material is expensive, and the welding takes specialized knowledge and materials. And more time than most other metals. So.. without pics, I'll dub them "Phantom Manifold Ti".
-Jeff

I'm working on the pictures........I should have them by tomorrow. I'll also have an actual unit by the first week of November so I can see/test it out for myself. I still want another person who can supply an in-dept review of the manifold at no cost to the tester of course depending on their credentials.

This is all pending if people would think this is a good idea or not.

[A Spec Products]

Originally Posted by Jeff240sx

Titanium doesn't weld like stainless or aluminum. So, mix-and-matching flanges onto aluminum or steel piping is stupid.
Get pics of said pieces. Because the material is expensive, and the welding takes specialized knowledge and materials. And more time than most other metals. So.. without pics, I'll dub them "Phantom Manifold Ti".
-Jeff

awww sad

we have our full ti mufflers that comes with a stainless flange that bolts to the titanium flange side. i thought that was cool, helps the budget ballers out.

[ka24deturbo]

Originally Posted by A Spec Products

awww sad

we have our full ti mufflers that comes with a stainless flange that bolts to the titanium flange side. i thought that was cool, helps the budget ballers out.

I think Jeff was reffering to welding the two metals together. Bolting a flange made of different material is perfectly fine. I was kind of confused but I may still be confused, shine some light on this comment for us Jeff.

[BaliLover]

Originally Posted by ka24deturbo

I'm working on the pictures........I should have them by tomorrow. I'll also have an actual unit by the first week of November so I can see/test it out for myself. I still want another person who can supply an in-dept review of the manifold at no cost to the tester of course depending on their credentials.

This is all pending if people would think this is a good idea or not.

Is it a good idea? Possibly if they are manufactured correctly, but the $350 pricetag for manifold and downpipe is scary to me since thats SS autochrome's prices too. Ti is lighter than steel and stronger than Aluminum so its probably a good choice for a manifold which is typically heavy. I don't know what Ti's thermal capabilities are before it gets brittle. With so many cheaper manifold cracking and falling apart, brittleness is a concern of mine.

That being said, I'd be willing to test one out for you and give an in depth review of fitment, performance, quality, longevity, etc. Send me a PM and I'll provide some credentials to you.

[ka24deturbo]

As far as finding someone to get these tested; this is my idea so I'm not just sending parts to any nobody here willing to test parts and get them for free so I'm thinking the tester pays $150 for the unit and after that person tests it and writes a review I'll reimburse them that amount, that way you have to write the review in order to get your money back for working.

Even if the review is a bad review you'll still get your money back I just want to make sure it's someone that knows how to write a review of parts and trusted within this community. Any other suggestions guys? I have an open mind when it comes down to things like this so just let me know what your thinking.

[95KA-Turbo]

I'd be interested in a KA set (as long as you mean turbo). I'd be more than happy to test out one of those...but I'd like to see some of your credentials as well, I don't want to send out 150 bucks and get ripped myself. If you have some photos of the products that would help a lot.

Also, perhaps a company name so we could cross check your info or something along those lines. Hell, I'll test out a drive shaft too, haha .

Thanks
Stephen

[ka24deturbo]

Originally Posted by 95KA-Turbo

I'd be interested in a KA set (as long as you mean turbo). I'd be more than happy to test out one of those...but I'd like to see some of your credentials as well, I don't want to send out 150 bucks and get ripped myself. If you have some photos of the products that would help a lot.

Also, perhaps a company name so we could cross check your info or something along those lines. Hell, I'll test out a drive shaft too, haha .

Thanks
Stephen

That's why theres paypal right LOL I'm not a company either just someone trying to make a buck to buy parts for my projects not to make a living out of it (but you never know what the future holds right). You know like those guys back in Japan buying up all of those thrown away used parts from the junkyards and selling them to us because they know those parts are like gold to us.

I don't think I'll need more than two good sources to write up a review so stealing $300 isn't worth it right?

I'll have pictures up by tomorrow and as far as the driveshaft goes I'd need to see more interest before I go through the expensive process of shipping a stock unit to them. They say it can be done it's just a matter of sending the heavy ass unit to them.

[Flybert]

If you need someone to test a titanium stock location SR manifold, I am your man. I would say there are a lot of people on here that trust my opinion on performance products because I trash the shit out of my car at the track every month. This stuff needs to be track proven to be worth a damn and I can do that testing. Email me by clicking my SN if you are interested in sending a mani on my way.

I can also test the titanium driveshaft if you go through with it. I have a hypermax single that will beat the shit out of it and really test it's strength.

[ka24deturbo]

Originally Posted by Flybert

If you need someone to test a titanium stock location SR manifold, I am your man. I would say there are a lot of people on here that trust my opinion on performance products because I trash the shit out of my car at the track every month. This stuff needs to be track proven to be worth a damn and I can do that testing. Email me by clicking my SN if you are interested in sending a mani on my way.

I can also test the titanium driveshaft if you go through with it. I have a hypermax single that will beat the shit out of it and really test it's strength.

Flybert I've seen your posts before and your right these should be tested on a track and since your in L.A. my 2nd home your on board for testing 100% if your willing to cover my terms. The driveshaft is getting more response so it's possible I might go through with it.

[the head]

are there going to be any top mount manifolds built for SR applications?

[projectRDM]

Originally Posted by ka24deturbo

That's why theres paypal right LOL I'm not a company either just someone trying to make a buck to buy parts for my projects not to make a living out of it (but you never know what the future holds right).

If you're trusting paypal to keep you safe you're already fucked.

[ka24deturbo]

Originally Posted by R240NA

If you're trusting paypal to keep you safe you're already fucked.

You know I do agree with you bro that's why I don't use paypal anymore, let me tell you my story......The short version.

I sent this guy some money for some parts via paypal, I received a box by UPS with basically parts to get some weight on the shipping scales. When I contacted Paypal to get my money back they told me that since it was not an Ebay transaction I couldn't do anything and they couldn't give me a refund. How f'ed is that?

But since I know a lot of people praise Paypal here and countless other forums I'm willing to use them again. The fact is if I was to start scamming people I'd rather start the group buy and steal from countless others than just $300 from two people to test the product. I mean how many times do you see someone go on a forum and ask you to test a product for free and keep the item in the end? I will pay these people back if the product has good reviews or not. I'm taking a chance on bringing more products for our market and possibly lose money and I'm not even a business owner.

Originally Posted by the head

are there going to be any top mount manifolds built for SR applications?

Yup top mounts for most applications, I have pictures that I'll be posting in just a few minutes.

[Yoshi]

would teh SR mani be fore stock turbo location?
What's the ballpark $ on that?
It'd be nice to know there's an option that's not known to crack.
Seems that most sub $1000 manifolds are VERY hit-or miss quality.

[scottie]

Well, I wouldnt say that 240 guys are that cheap. There are plenty of people i know who have or are ordering the FULL RACE mani ($1200). If your TI mani is that price or a little less i might be interested. If its $400 there is no way its good material. Im an engineer and i know what cost is on TI. After great welds, fit and finish, there is no way you could build a decent one for less than $800.

-scott

[S14DB]

I still can't believe you can sell Ti for that cheap. I'm interested in the KA mani and DP just for the price alone. More info!

[ka24deturbo]

Hey guys I made a boo boo, now just so you know this product was pitched to me as being full titanium. I was surprised myself when they gave me the price compared to the stainless manifolds. As a matter of fact it's titanium plate now maybe scottie can tell us if this is still worth looking into because I still want to get my RB manifold.

However, they can make full ti manifolds and I'm going to negotiate pricing with them and minimum qty. because they want me to purchase 100pcs. and I'm not sure there are enough people that would buy these. I'm sure price will be a factor in the decision so I'll do my best. I'll still post pics of the ti plated manifolds just so you guys can see the quality of the welds and pipes.

I'm not going to offer the testing program anymore because now we know it's not full titanium. Pending price I would still like someone to test out the full titanium manifold but I'd like to change the terms a little bit.

A little info. about titanium that I pulled off of another website:

Titanium has a melting point of 1660 +/- 10°C, boiling point of 3287°C, Pure titanium is a lustrous white metal with low density, high strength, and high corrosion resistance. It is resistant to dilute sulfuric and hydrochloric acids, moist chlorine gas, most organic acids, and chloride solutions. Titanium is as strong as steel, but it is 45% lighter. The metal is 60% heavier than aluminum, but it is twice as strong.

Titanium is important for alloying with aluminum, molybdenum, iron, manganese, and other metals. Titanium alloys are used in situations where lightweight strength and ability to withstand temperature extremes are required (e.g., aerospace applications).

This is a stock mount SR manifold










This is the top mount RB manifold


3" Turbo dump

[S14DB]

So this is like a Ceramic coating using Titanium instead of Aluminum?

What would be the total cost of the KA Mani+DP set?

[ka24deturbo]

Originally Posted by S14DB

So this is like a Ceramic coating using Titanium instead of Aluminum?

What would be the total cost of the KA Mani+DP set?

Exactly what it is. Price would be $300 shipped for the set, but I'm not selling these until I start the group buy per Zilvia.net rules. I still want to get us some titanium manifolds since this was the main objective of this entire post. Let me get the prices on these you never know it still can be affordable.

[Jeff240sx]

That RB manifold looks poorly designed. The long wg runner, with a 90* bend in it, is boost-creep city. I'd still like to see a KA manifold. The SR design looks pretty solidly SSA-style routing. Not saying that's bad at all, because DC Sports and some other company took that routing, too.
-Jeff

[SR240DET]

how does TI coating benefit the manifold it self? will it last longer than stainless...? i dont know how to ask this kind of questions... but could you list a simple small list of pros and cons of TI coating over say.... a stainless steel manifold or ceramic coating manifold?