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PoorMans180SX · 01-10-2006, 07:28 AM

That is a frickin' sweet car... Sorry I'm not entering the KA debate, I just wanted to say that car is awesome!!!

*Jeff240sx* · 01-10-2006, 09:27 AM

Yes, 280 on an engine dyno is flywheel hp. It's around 240whp.
SOHC have been being built by Rebello at 250-300whp for many, many years. Just - unstreetable.
Good find though.
-Jeff

OJmobileII · 01-10-2006, 12:37 PM

You guys should really be talking to Datson guys and oldschoolers. There the ones that really know how to build a KA and have done it etc. And Singel cams with make the better power, and yes singel cams are good. Look at the racing world most of the fastest cars are singel cam pushrod etc

OJmobileII · 01-10-2006, 12:41 PM

SR20forum.com and Nico, KA-T etc are better because people dont go throwing out crap all over the place and try to help people.

IM NOT GOING NA BUT I LIKE TO SEE WHAT IS NEEDED,because im turbo and thats what im into, And no you dont need a honda motor to make power, every motor wil make power. Its all in how you go about it and how it will respond.

Now its proven that the singel cam is better for NA power because you can port the head alot more than the daul. And you dont need to rev to 1111,1111RPM to make power. If a Bigblock V8 can rev to 8,000 plus im sure a little 4 banger can also. I mean comon people are saying it cant be done with out knowing. Or looking it up, Ive looked it up and have found out some good info. But really dont post if you dont know. Im not 100% sure, so im not going to share mis information like most people do on here.

allmotorKA · 01-10-2006, 02:10 PM

According to the internet, that 510 has the KA24E head with a Z24 block. I believe it was David Nelson of Washington that owned that 510. He used the Nissan Motorsports intake manifold but it is shortened and the angle was slightly changed to fit the 510. It has 44mm Mikuni carbs and a Nissan Motorsports cam (not sure which one). He claimed 270 flywheel hp at 7300 rpm so I'm guessing he used the R5 race cam. Max torque was 245.

Many 510 owners claim their Rebello motors are 240+ crank hp that is STREETABLE...ie idles fine, running stop light to stop light...killer, autocross...better than turbo. Don't hate, this is what many 510 owners have sworn by.

I'll look for some more links...

OJmobileII · 01-10-2006, 02:33 PM

Can you send me a link to were you found this info? Or datson sites?????????

Sean1978 · 01-10-2006, 02:50 PM

nice.. this thread is finally going in the direction I intended it to...

irax · 01-10-2006, 03:45 PM

adding aditional Cats in california is not legal... just thought you guys should know...having custom cats are... only if your PRE OBDII.

allmotorKA · 01-10-2006, 04:20 PM

Here is a link to a thread in freshalloy:

http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthre...=&fpart=1&vc=1

If you read from the 14th post down, you will see another person claim 244+ flywheel HP at 6600RPM and 217 ft-lb at 4700RPM on his NA KA. He also states later in the thread that CR was 9.5:1, Redline was 7200 RPM, and ran on pump gas. Sounds streetable to me. You will also see the pissing match that insued later...sort of like this thread did earlier.

BigVinnie · 01-10-2006, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allmotorKA

Many 510 owners claim their Rebello motors are 240+ crank hp that is STREETABLE...ie idles fine, running stop light to stop light...killer, autocross...better than turbo. Don't hate, this is what many 510 owners have sworn by.

I beieve it! 510's and KA's kickass....

OJmobileII · 01-10-2006, 07:35 PM

Bigvinnie ive seen you post on countless forums about NA etc, and you were talking to somone about a 2.8 and he was getting a motor built at a shop building KAs. Do you recall what shop is doing all this motor work with KAs?

Im not looking to go NA really, Im looking to go NA with a hefty Nitrous shot. I talked to IVAN the 240 god. Since my buddy is good friends with him and he said he was able to spray a 175 shot on a stock motor. But it blew at 250shot but lasted a little bit. Now he was blowing up a KA and beating it to hell to see what happens and doing some RnD work.

Nitrous loves high compression and Ive been around LS1s, and my buddy has a 13:1 4.6 spray motor cobra. It is a all spray mod motor with up wards of a 400 shot on a daul stage. It can be driven on the street and he takes it out on weekends. It just needs race gas etc....... I also read you were spraying at one point but you got sick of bottles etc.

I would like to know what you think of the K and how it was on spray etc, If anyone tells me that High compression and nitrous is bad, im not going to listen and thats the end of the story so dont go there. I do have a whole turbo setup and the side and it would be good for 400plus but I really would like a spray car that is quick on motor etc

sideview_180sx · 01-10-2006, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allmotorKA

Here is a link to a thread in freshalloy:

http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthre...=&fpart=1&vc=1

If you read from the 14th post down, you will see another person claim 244+ flywheel HP at 6600RPM and 217 ft-lb at 4700RPM on his NA KA. He also states later in the thread that CR was 9.5:1, Redline was 7200 RPM, and ran on pump gas. Sounds streetable to me. You will also see the pissing match that insued later...sort of like this thread did earlier.

I also noticed he outright said it was a robello engine. obviously it has had some work done. pissing contest must end, just buy a robello engine and be done with it.

someguy_240 · 01-10-2006, 08:41 PM

which header is this? and for the record ive seen 220hp dynod kae's (more like a hybrid datsun/nissan frankenstein motor) and seen them first hand they are streetable. unfortanetely i dont have my friends ka dyno because he threw it away after he sold his 510.

sorry for gettin jus a bit offtopic but i dont think ive seen that header? anyone help?

*** ok found out it was a rebello header
found info about david nelsons car but im not sure if i can post from a different forum

*Jeff240sx* · 01-10-2006, 08:47 PM

9.5:1 cr + 7200rpm and 244bhp (200whp-ish) means it's the $5000 motor I laid out on page 3 (or 4), with every bolt-on imaginable, and cams.
Sure it's streetable. But it's not the 300bhp motor that was mentioned in this thread.
-Jeff

atom · 01-10-2006, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigVinnie

I beieve it! 510's and KA's kickass....

http://www.ermish-racing.com/510parts/partshome.htm

Click on engines....carbed twin cam.

The Bay Area 510 people I've met recommend them. They supposedly have a nice 250HP street setup with Z22 bloc, single cam head, and 44mm mikunis.

OJmobileII · 01-10-2006, 10:06 PM

Nice info......... Were are all these Datson guys? I hear about these cars alot but dont see them.

infinitexsound · 01-10-2006, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atom

http://www.ermish-racing.com/510parts/partshome.htm

Click on engines....carbed twin cam.

The Bay Area 510 people I've met recommend them. They supposedly have a nice 250HP street setup with Z22 bloc, single cam head, and 44mm mikunis.

thats troy's shop in fremont.. i just drove around there.. couple days ago... first thing u see when u make that left turn is nothing but 510's wagons 2 doors 4 doors... thats like nissan central in that industrial park... not hard to get to either.... right off the 880 freeway.. 12 valves are nice.. but more valves are better..

allmotorKA · 01-11-2006, 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by someguy_240

which header is this? and for the record ive seen 220hp dynod kae's (more like a hybrid datsun/nissan frankenstein motor) and seen them first hand they are streetable. unfortanetely i dont have my friends ka dyno because he threw it away after he sold his 510.

sorry for gettin jus a bit offtopic but i dont think ive seen that header? anyone help?

*** ok found out it was a rebello header
found info about david nelsons car but im not sure if i can post from a different forum

I think he made his own...the rebello header did not fit his 510.

Gnnr · 01-11-2006, 11:15 AM

Damn thats a sweet 510. Any good 510 forums websites anyone know of?

someguy_240 · 01-11-2006, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allmotorKA

I think he made his own...the rebello header did not fit his 510.

yeah my bad, i read it wrong. thanx

infinitexsound · 01-16-2006, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gnnr

Damn thats a sweet 510. Any good 510 forums websites anyone know of?

dimequarterly

andrewmp6 · 01-16-2006, 03:22 AM

that pic was a l28 and a high power n/a youll have to run high compression and higher octane fuel ill stick with a rb

01-10-2006, 09:27 AM	#122
Jeff240sx I hate you too... Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tampa, FL Age: 42 Posts: 5,828 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Jeff240sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yes, 280 on an engine dyno is flywheel hp. It's around 240whp. SOHC have been being built by Rebello at 250-300whp for many, many years. Just - unstreetable. Good find though. -Jeff __________________ Whatup?

01-10-2006, 12:37 PM	#123
OJmobileII Leaky Injector Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 50 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You guys should really be talking to Datson guys and oldschoolers. There the ones that really know how to build a KA and have done it etc. And Singel cams with make the better power, and yes singel cams are good. Look at the racing world most of the fastest cars are singel cam pushrod etc __________________ 1998 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX - 50 trim 1991 Nissan 240sx Coupe - SR20DET TD06-20G

01-10-2006, 12:41 PM	#124
OJmobileII Leaky Injector Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 50 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	SR20forum.com and Nico, KA-T etc are better because people dont go throwing out crap all over the place and try to help people. IM NOT GOING NA BUT I LIKE TO SEE WHAT IS NEEDED,because im turbo and thats what im into, And no you dont need a honda motor to make power, every motor wil make power. Its all in how you go about it and how it will respond. Now its proven that the singel cam is better for NA power because you can port the head alot more than the daul. And you dont need to rev to 1111,1111RPM to make power. If a Bigblock V8 can rev to 8,000 plus im sure a little 4 banger can also. I mean comon people are saying it cant be done with out knowing. Or looking it up, Ive looked it up and have found out some good info. But really dont post if you dont know. Im not 100% sure, so im not going to share mis information like most people do on here. __________________ 1998 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX - 50 trim 1991 Nissan 240sx Coupe - SR20DET TD06-20G

01-10-2006, 02:33 PM	#126
OJmobileII Leaky Injector Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 50 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Can you send me a link to were you found this info? Or datson sites????????? __________________ 1998 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX - 50 trim 1991 Nissan 240sx Coupe - SR20DET TD06-20G

01-10-2006, 02:50 PM	#127
Sean1978 Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Havelock / Chery Point N.C. Age: 46 Posts: 190 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	nice.. this thread is finally going in the direction I intended it to... __________________ My Datsun 510 Wagon

01-10-2006, 07:28 AM	#121
PoorMans180SX Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Michigan Age: 37 Posts: 5,616 Trader Rating: (16) Rides Gallery: PoorMans180SX Feedback Score: 16 reviews	That is a frickin' sweet car... Sorry I'm not entering the KA debate, I just wanted to say that car is awesome!!!

01-10-2006, 02:10 PM	#125
allmotorKA Zilvia Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: SoCal Posts: 204 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	According to the internet, that 510 has the KA24E head with a Z24 block. I believe it was David Nelson of Washington that owned that 510. He used the Nissan Motorsports intake manifold but it is shortened and the angle was slightly changed to fit the 510. It has 44mm Mikuni carbs and a Nissan Motorsports cam (not sure which one). He claimed 270 flywheel hp at 7300 rpm so I'm guessing he used the R5 race cam. Max torque was 245. Many 510 owners claim their Rebello motors are 240+ crank hp that is STREETABLE...ie idles fine, running stop light to stop light...killer, autocross...better than turbo. Don't hate, this is what many 510 owners have sworn by. I'll look for some more links...

01-10-2006, 03:45 PM	#128
irax Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Diego Age: 41 Posts: 4,249 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	adding aditional Cats in california is not legal... just thought you guys should know...having custom cats are... only if your PRE OBDII.

01-10-2006, 04:20 PM	#129
allmotorKA Zilvia Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: SoCal Posts: 204 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Here is a link to a thread in freshalloy: http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthre...=&fpart=1&vc=1 If you read from the 14th post down, you will see another person claim 244+ flywheel HP at 6600RPM and 217 ft-lb at 4700RPM on his NA KA. He also states later in the thread that CR was 9.5:1, Redline was 7200 RPM, and ran on pump gas. Sounds streetable to me. You will also see the pissing match that insued later...sort of like this thread did earlier.

01-10-2006, 07:35 PM	#131
OJmobileII Leaky Injector Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 50 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Bigvinnie ive seen you post on countless forums about NA etc, and you were talking to somone about a 2.8 and he was getting a motor built at a shop building KAs. Do you recall what shop is doing all this motor work with KAs? Im not looking to go NA really, Im looking to go NA with a hefty Nitrous shot. I talked to IVAN the 240 god. Since my buddy is good friends with him and he said he was able to spray a 175 shot on a stock motor. But it blew at 250shot but lasted a little bit. Now he was blowing up a KA and beating it to hell to see what happens and doing some RnD work. Nitrous loves high compression and Ive been around LS1s, and my buddy has a 13:1 4.6 spray motor cobra. It is a all spray mod motor with up wards of a 400 shot on a daul stage. It can be driven on the street and he takes it out on weekends. It just needs race gas etc....... I also read you were spraying at one point but you got sick of bottles etc. I would like to know what you think of the K and how it was on spray etc, If anyone tells me that High compression and nitrous is bad, im not going to listen and thats the end of the story so dont go there. I do have a whole turbo setup and the side and it would be good for 400plus but I really would like a spray car that is quick on motor etc __________________ 1998 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX - 50 trim 1991 Nissan 240sx Coupe - SR20DET TD06-20G

01-10-2006, 08:41 PM	#133
someguy_240 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Jose Age: 44 Posts: 203 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	which header is this? and for the record ive seen 220hp dynod kae's (more like a hybrid datsun/nissan frankenstein motor) and seen them first hand they are streetable. unfortanetely i dont have my friends ka dyno because he threw it away after he sold his 510. sorry for gettin jus a bit offtopic but i dont think ive seen that header? anyone help? *** ok found out it was a rebello header found info about david nelsons car but im not sure if i can post from a different forum __________________ "...But my tires were wet!" Last edited by someguy_240; 01-10-2006 at 09:08 PM..

01-10-2006, 08:47 PM	#134
Jeff240sx I hate you too... Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tampa, FL Age: 42 Posts: 5,828 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Jeff240sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	9.5:1 cr + 7200rpm and 244bhp (200whp-ish) means it's the $5000 motor I laid out on page 3 (or 4), with every bolt-on imaginable, and cams. Sure it's streetable. But it's not the 300bhp motor that was mentioned in this thread. -Jeff __________________ Whatup?

01-10-2006, 10:06 PM	#136
OJmobileII Leaky Injector Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 50 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Nice info......... Were are all these Datson guys? I hear about these cars alot but dont see them. __________________ 1998 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX - 50 trim 1991 Nissan 240sx Coupe - SR20DET TD06-20G

01-11-2006, 11:15 AM	#139
Gnnr Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: S. FL Posts: 3,960 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Damn thats a sweet 510. Any good 510 forums websites anyone know of?

01-16-2006, 03:22 AM	#142
andrewmp6 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: kentucky Posts: 376 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	that pic was a l28 and a high power n/a youll have to run high compression and higher octane fuel ill stick with a rb