VG30DETT into a 240SX? - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

andres_mt · 03-11-2006, 03:53 PM

I was just wondering if anyone has done this or this is even possible?
If so, what kind of results did you get or would you expect to get?
Thanks in advance.

SoSideways · 03-11-2006, 04:17 PM

Go over to Fresh Alloy's forums, then do a search in 240sx Advanced or Basic (I forget which) and look under the user name 300sx.

His car is badass.

ayes · 03-11-2006, 04:22 PM

2forty · 03-11-2006, 11:23 PM

it has been done, but to me, i don't think it would be worth all the effort. Did u want it for the power or the "different" factor?

slider2828 · 03-13-2006, 02:15 AM

There is video of a vg30dett swapped with a T67 single turbo.... Basically kinda useless because it spun the tires in all 4 gears..... Not all that great and no balance.

***S14DB*** · 03-13-2006, 02:21 AM

Siizzzoooo · 03-13-2006, 12:29 PM

i wouln't hesitate to do it if there was a mount kit out for it, just all that fab work turns me off from it

BlackSilEighty · 03-13-2006, 02:51 PM

It doesn't screw up the wieght balance THAT much. It's a couple hundred pounds heavier, but you can compinsate some of that by getting carbon fiber/fiberglass hood, fenders, and a lighter aero bumper.

Sil Beer S13 · 03-13-2006, 02:58 PM

the TT wont fit, plumbing issues with the turbos and the space i saw a thread where a guy put his brake m/s inside the cabin because of clearence issues.

Neejay · 03-13-2006, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sil Beer S13

the TT wont fit, plumbing issues with the turbos and the space i saw a thread where a guy put his brake m/s inside the cabin because of clearence issues.

LOL wow, you wouldn't happen to have pics of that setup would you?

Well, I would say it's possible (with money), but someone just said the TT wouldn't work, so...

BigVinnie · 03-13-2006, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Neejay

LOL wow, you wouldn't happen to have pics of that setup would you?

Well, I would say it's possible (with money), but someone just said the TT would work, so...

Correction a TT will work in an s14. It wont work well in an s13.
If a 510 can have a VG30dett so can any other car. It just is toooo much work, and modifying.

Mason · 03-13-2006, 04:52 PM

here ya go. the 300sx everyones been talking about.

I seen the car out down over 500 to the wheels and run in the low 11s. this exact swap in in the red s14 you see in the first pic. one of the cleanest swaps ive ever seen.

Robbie S. is a pimp

SoSideways · 03-13-2006, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mason

here ya go. the 300sx everyones been talking about.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...uh1/300sx3.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...uh1/300sx2.jpg

I seen the car out down over 500 to the wheels and run in the low 11s. this exact swap in in the red s14 you see in the first pic. one of the cleanest swaps ive ever seen.

Robbie S. is a pimp

Yup, that's the 300sx I told people to go over to FA to search about.

Anywho, yeah that car is facking awesome. And it's so awesome cause he did all the fab work himself, from the turbo manifolds to the mounts.

And no, it shouldn't mess up the weight balance that much, because pretty much the entire motor sits behind the engine crossmember, so there really isn't any weight in the nose area, except for maybe the turbo or FMIC.

I'd definitely do this swap myself, if I could get my hands on a VG-DETT for cheap, and have access to a TIG welder, and if I knew how to weld.

Neejay · 03-13-2006, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mason

here ya go. the 300sx everyones been talking about.

I seen the car out down over 500 to the wheels and run in the low 11s. this exact swap in in the red s14 you see in the first pic. one of the cleanest swaps ive ever seen.

Robbie S. is a pimp

Damn thats hot...thanks man.

sunnys14 · 03-13-2006, 05:30 PM

powerful... just powerful

kY.gordon · 03-14-2006, 04:53 PM

clean sexy and yes powerful

shinrekka · 03-20-2006, 06:00 AM

its looks like theres more room in an s13 engine bay with a 300zx motor, then the 300zx has with its own motor.

m072514 · 03-21-2006, 11:37 AM

the swap can be done, but if you are posting on zilvia to find out whether it CAN be done or not, (ie you didnt search for it first), then i very much doubt that it would be worthwhile for you to pull off. if youre still looking for it to be done... be prepared for at least $1000 in unexpected costs, plus being able to leave it in a garage for an extended period of time. maybe 3-6 months depending on how much you can work on it. plan on having a daily driver while your 240 is in the shop/garage, and you better have some friends with FAR more expertise than you willing to help out. if you STILL wanna do it, keep us posted on your progress.

sorry to sound like i was flaming, zilvia is starting to get to me.

smithers584 · 03-21-2006, 03:36 PM

if you want it strictly for the motor, buy a 300zxtt. if you want it to be different and spend countless hours fabbing and have the satisfaction of accomplishing it, go for it with a S14.

topsecretgold · 03-21-2006, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mason

here ya go. the 300sx everyones been talking about.

I seen the car out down over 500 to the wheels and run in the low 11s. this exact swap in in the red s14 you see in the first pic. one of the cleanest swaps ive ever seen.

Robbie S. is a pimp

damn, thats freakin nice

Project_Slipangle · 03-21-2006, 06:49 PM

the 240 engine bay is no where near the size of a 300. i dont know this for a fact but look at the length of a 300 nose. its huge. those engines are all cleaned and reduced to there prime.no shrouds or other bull shit jumbling up the bay. a ka motor looks tiny in the 240(although the 240 bay is pretty big) when its cleaned up. shit i need to take a pic of mine. side draft carbs so no electronics. seems like theres nothing there haha.
btw you can get nearly ANY motor in a car w enough work as long as it will fit between the strut towers and even then if you really want it done you can get around that.
my opinion on the subject though: if you really wanted to go all out and swap in a vg, id say drop that idea and put the rb26dett. better platform. probly not much more either. whats a good vg30dett motor go for now-a-days? ive seen skyline front clips go for around 4. pluck the motor then sell the front clip. just a thought.

Project_Slipangle · 03-21-2006, 07:10 PM

it may be expensive, front heavy, and hard to find parts for but how tyte is that????

TougeSR20Kid · 03-22-2006, 03:57 AM

the stock tt set up was done in japan i saw it in an option video... cars gonna be too fast though. do you want this to be legal or not cus if you use a USDM motor you shouldnt have a problem legalizing it... but if you're like me and dont give a sh*t then for the same amount of money you could have a bad ass rb 25 which will be way better... i'm sorry but VG is not the best six cylinder nissan makes

driftfactory · 03-22-2006, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Project_Slipangle

it may be expensive, front heavy, and hard to find parts for but how tyte is that????

Expensive= Yes
Front Heavy= not really only about 2%
Hard to find parts for= Depends what your looking for

trsilvias13 · 03-22-2006, 12:37 PM

The vg won jd power and associate best engine for so long. so it not the "best" but rated very good.

wootwoot · 03-22-2006, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by shinrekka

its looks like theres more room in an s13 engine bay with a 300zx motor, then the 300zx has with its own motor.

Definitely is more room in the 240sx. Same basic chassis that they put a motor in that was an inline 6. 300zx's are evil to work on and the motors are so so so stupid heavy. If you disagree then whatevs! I like the vq30 swap more personally.

Project_Slipangle · 03-22-2006, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TougeSR20Kid

...then for the same amount of money you could have a bad ass rb 25 which will be way better... i'm sorry but VG is not the best six cylinder nissan makes

agreed accually. i mean you need the 25 tranny anyways. although idk if id be "way better"

Quote:

Originally Posted by driftfactory

Expensive= Yes
Front Heavy= not really only about 2%
Hard to find parts for= Depends what your looking for

now this is surprising.only 2% for that looong and heavier motor? how much does she weigh anyways? or how much over a ka-d?

driftfactory · 03-22-2006, 07:47 PM

The thing is that a lot of the weight is in the tranny which sits near the middle of the car.

TheWolf · 03-23-2006, 06:25 AM

VG30DETT is a heavy sled in the world of import engines. It's about 175lbs heavier than a sr20det in the front and about another 35-40lbs heavier in the gearbox. While it may only be a 2% change in weight balance it's still going in the wrong direction. You can't pull that much out of front fenders, bodywork, and CF hood. There's not that much there to remove. If you did all the replacement work you might be 25lbs lighter with full carbon body parts.

irritatedmax · 03-23-2006, 06:44 AM

just to clarify. the driftfactory car has a rb26, not a vg30. so the information driftfactory is giving is related to the rb26 in a s13. by the way, that is a sweet car driftfactory.

03-11-2006, 03:53 PM	#1
andres_mt Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alberta Posts: 7 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	VG30DETT into a 240SX? I was just wondering if anyone has done this or this is even possible? If so, what kind of results did you get or would you expect to get? Thanks in advance.

03-11-2006, 04:22 PM	#3
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03-13-2006, 12:29 PM	#7
Siizzzoooo Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Murfreesboro,TN Posts: 1,355 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i wouln't hesitate to do it if there was a mount kit out for it, just all that fab work turns me off from it __________________ 2004 Honda S2000 NFR \| 2007 Acura TL CBP \| Project *Coming Soon*

03-11-2006, 04:17 PM	#2
SoSideways Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 你老母 Posts: 4,371 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Go over to Fresh Alloy's forums, then do a search in 240sx Advanced or Basic (I forget which) and look under the user name 300sx. His car is badass.

03-13-2006, 02:15 AM	#5
slider2828 Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 6,040 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	There is video of a vg30dett swapped with a T67 single turbo.... Basically kinda useless because it spun the tires in all 4 gears..... Not all that great and no balance.

03-13-2006, 02:51 PM	#8
BlackSilEighty Zilvia Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Thompsons Station, TN Age: 39 Posts: 208 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	It doesn't screw up the wieght balance THAT much. It's a couple hundred pounds heavier, but you can compinsate some of that by getting carbon fiber/fiberglass hood, fenders, and a lighter aero bumper. __________________ 92 240SX. SOLD, 86 RX-7 GXL ,87 RX-7 Sport, 88 RX-7 T2

03-13-2006, 02:58 PM	#9
Sil Beer S13 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Chino!...NOT CHINO HILLS! Age: 43 Posts: 1,117 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	the TT wont fit, plumbing issues with the turbos and the space i saw a thread where a guy put his brake m/s inside the cabin because of clearence issues.

03-13-2006, 04:52 PM	#12
Mason Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 4 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	here ya go. the 300sx everyones been talking about. I seen the car out down over 500 to the wheels and run in the low 11s. this exact swap in in the red s14 you see in the first pic. one of the cleanest swaps ive ever seen. Robbie S. is a pimp

03-13-2006, 05:30 PM	#15
sunnys14 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: a land far far away... Posts: 1,549 Trader Rating: (19) Feedback Score: 19 reviews	powerful... just powerful

03-14-2006, 04:53 PM	#16
kY.gordon Banned from the Marketplace Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bay Area SF Posts: 123 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	clean sexy and yes powerful

03-20-2006, 06:00 AM	#17
shinrekka Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Long Island Posts: 251 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	its looks like theres more room in an s13 engine bay with a 300zx motor, then the 300zx has with its own motor.

03-21-2006, 11:37 AM	#18
m072514 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2005 Location: Annapolis, MD Posts: 384 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	the swap can be done, but if you are posting on zilvia to find out whether it CAN be done or not, (ie you didnt search for it first), then i very much doubt that it would be worthwhile for you to pull off. if youre still looking for it to be done... be prepared for at least $1000 in unexpected costs, plus being able to leave it in a garage for an extended period of time. maybe 3-6 months depending on how much you can work on it. plan on having a daily driver while your 240 is in the shop/garage, and you better have some friends with FAR more expertise than you willing to help out. if you STILL wanna do it, keep us posted on your progress. sorry to sound like i was flaming, zilvia is starting to get to me. __________________

03-21-2006, 03:36 PM	#19
smithers584 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: sc Posts: 416 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	if you want it strictly for the motor, buy a 300zxtt. if you want it to be different and spend countless hours fabbing and have the satisfaction of accomplishing it, go for it with a S14.

03-21-2006, 06:49 PM	#21
Project_Slipangle Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: harrison Posts: 22 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	the 240 engine bay is no where near the size of a 300. i dont know this for a fact but look at the length of a 300 nose. its huge. those engines are all cleaned and reduced to there prime.no shrouds or other bull shit jumbling up the bay. a ka motor looks tiny in the 240(although the 240 bay is pretty big) when its cleaned up. shit i need to take a pic of mine. side draft carbs so no electronics. seems like theres nothing there haha. btw you can get nearly ANY motor in a car w enough work as long as it will fit between the strut towers and even then if you really want it done you can get around that. my opinion on the subject though: if you really wanted to go all out and swap in a vg, id say drop that idea and put the rb26dett. better platform. probly not much more either. whats a good vg30dett motor go for now-a-days? ive seen skyline front clips go for around 4. pluck the motor then sell the front clip. just a thought.

03-21-2006, 07:10 PM	#22
Project_Slipangle Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: harrison Posts: 22 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	it may be expensive, front heavy, and hard to find parts for but how tyte is that????

03-22-2006, 12:37 PM	#25
trsilvias13 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,995 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	The vg won jd power and associate best engine for so long. so it not the "best" but rated very good.

03-22-2006, 07:47 PM	#28
driftfactory Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: LA Posts: 200 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The thing is that a lot of the weight is in the tranny which sits near the middle of the car. __________________ The Performance Super Store. Nardi, Silk Road, Agency Power, KAAZ, Peak Performance, Cusco, and More! www.hachilife.com http://www.myspace.com/driftfactory

03-23-2006, 06:25 AM	#29
TheWolf Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Orange Park, FL (Jax) Posts: 1,468 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	VG30DETT is a heavy sled in the world of import engines. It's about 175lbs heavier than a sr20det in the front and about another 35-40lbs heavier in the gearbox. While it may only be a 2% change in weight balance it's still going in the wrong direction. You can't pull that much out of front fenders, bodywork, and CF hood. There's not that much there to remove. If you did all the replacement work you might be 25lbs lighter with full carbon body parts.

03-23-2006, 06:44 AM	#30
irritatedmax Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ashland, NE Age: 39 Posts: 1,359 Trader Rating: (20) Feedback Score: 20 reviews	just to clarify. the driftfactory car has a rb26, not a vg30. so the information driftfactory is giving is related to the rb26 in a s13. by the way, that is a sweet car driftfactory.