Why the "Hoonigan Hate"?

[Almighty So]

lol all seriousness aside could you imagine a hoonigan F1 team?

[STEEZxIT]

i would be pretty pissed if i lost time on my lap or stage because i had to be extra careful because another driver wasn't. i think i'd be saying words like "selfish", "immature", "fuck", etc.

a hoonigan f1 team would be so many things.
i just want to see the next teurck video: "anyone can build an f1 car at home! all you need is a hammer and a shitbox, and you can totally make it work here's how...."

[wanna240]

I can see it now...

The Hoonigans introduces... The F1 Kit! All you need is a retarded 18 year old racer wannabe and a perfectly fine car that you ar going to fuck up in no time! All you gotta do is add Hoonigay stickers all over your car!

[Extreme Dimensions]

I like the fact that their drivers are truly excellent at what they do, as far as the brand. That surrounds any major sport. I don't buy the Nike's but I watch the game. Just my two cents. And I met vaughn gittin jr last week at Nitto enthusiast day, couldn't have been a nicer guy. And those girls...they are sweet girls. haaha (disregard the mustang shirt, it's my work uniform.)

[dbeiler]

Some of these abused cars have Hoonigan stickers on them. Why is the Hoonigan brand blamed for it? I've seen some very impressive cars with Hoonigan stickers as well. Is the Hoonigan brand praised for the nice cars as it is blamed for the crappy ones?

I've met a few anti-hoonigans. They were all very vocal about their opinions. They also lacked education, had shit jobs, had accomplished very little in life, drove mostly stock cars, spent too much time on the internet, and wouldn't even consider entering their precious 20 yr old crap boxes in any kind of motorsport.

I'm willing to bet they are always very gentle during sexual intercourse. Gotta keep the GF's pussy tight so it's in good condition for the next dude.

[Almighty So]

Prepare yourselves for a wall of text, but I thought of what I believe is an acceptable comparison.

First off no, Hoonigan is not praised for the nice cars because it's extremely rare that nice cars represent them. I think the only cars I enjoyed with Hoonigan stickers were Animal Style at FB.

It's like the OP sort of somehow stated for some reason I'm still confused about; Nike isn't known for supporting "overweight criminals" because it's not very often/newsworthy that a fat criminal's shoes are priority.
In the same regard, Hoonigan is not known for the nice cars and good driving because it isn't very often/common that people see that stuff.

Nike is known for athletes going hard in their shit because that's what we always see.
Hoonigan is known for shit cars because that's what we always see.

Let me break this down in what will probably be my last post in this thread;

I'd like to start by again saying no one denies the dudes at Hoonigan can drive and are probably nice people. (Hoonigan supporters seem to get easily defensive about that for some reason. No one bad mouthed them personally.)

Anyways, recently Hulk Hogan was absolutely banished from World Wrestling Entertainment because of recordings that had Hogan using racial remarks.

(Bear with me now.)

Yes, it was a bonehead move by Hogan and Wrestling in general, but the WWE had to remove Hogan from everything. No more bio online, no more t-shirts, no more action figures, nothing. He was even removed from the Hall of Fame. No warning. No mention. No explanation.

Now surely not all athletes who wrestle and not all fans who support wrestling hate Hulk Hogan, nor are they all racist. But to the people that aren't fans of wrestling, all they know is Hulk Hogan. To them, Hulk Hogan is wrestling. So if Hulk Hogan is racist, wrestling is racist. Therefor WWE had to take a very large step in order to make a bold statement that it was not linked with racism.
WWE may not have been happy to let him go, but they have to do so to maintain their image. Is all of WWE racist? No, but they had to make it clear that they do not participate in that lifestyle/way of thinking.

This is comparable to drivers and fans of drifting who want to make bold statements to distance themselves from Hoonigan (as a brand!) because of the poor image it portrays on the whole motorsport industry. Hoonigan hasn't touched every sub-class in motorsport but most of the ones they participate in, they are usually the team of immature and irresponsible drivers that everyone is shaking their heads at. In the meantime, it has become such a large brand because all they do is sell t-shirts and stickers and zipties so anyone who has $5 can represent them. The largest known brand of our sport/hobby/interest is promoting this sort of lifestyle/driving to people who may be interested or developing. (ie, leading them down the wrong path or turning them off of the sport completely. Also making the entire sport/class look bad in the same sense Hogan made WWE look racist.)
Members of the community feel the need to distance themselves from Hoonigan so as not to be considered another idiot driving a shit pile because Ain't Care is the cool attitude to have in Jr High.

It's been mentioned already, a lot of us are grown and would like to not at all be related to anything Hoonigan represents, so we must make it clear that we do not participate in that lifestyle/way of thinking.
Are all Hoonigans drift missile idiots who destroy shit for fun? Probably not, but that seems to be what they represent.

I think the bottom line of disagreement is that most of the Hoonigan supporters are under the impression that I personally hate Ken Block and Ryan Tueuerurekck and would burn Hoonigan HQ to the ground.
That is not the case. I hate what Hoonigan has become.
The young community of half-assed cut-corners-on-everything teens have taken Hoonigan and ran with it and they aren't coming back. So sorry to the original fans and supporters and creators, but it's long gone and forever hated as an idea, mindset, and lifestyle.

You can try to argue that that's not what Hoonigan is about.
But that is what it is about.
That is what it has become and forever will be.
Any respect they might have had, they handed over to their younger audience by trying to make motorsport a budget hobby.
It never will be.

Hogan may not be a racist, and Block might not be a ziptie everything dickhead, but that's how the world will see them.

hats off to you if you read this all.

tl;dr - i'm all for putting miles on my car and enjoying every foot of them but my car will remain maintained, clean and in order.
let your girls vagina rust out and break and ziptie all the ebay pieces back together and let me know how that works out for you.

[simmode1]

^^^Hit the nail on the head. Additionally, just look up the definitions of the words that compound to form the new word 'Hoonigan'... Hoon & Hooligan. Seriously, go look them up. Anyone that would WANT to identify themselves as such are surely the dregs of society.

[wanna240]

Originally Posted by Almighty So

Prepare yourselves for a wall of text, but I thought of what I believe is an acceptable comparison.

First off no, Hoonigan is not praised for the nice cars because it's extremely rare that nice cars represent them. I think the only cars I enjoyed with Hoonigan stickers were Animal Style at FB.

It's like the OP sort of somehow stated for some reason I'm still confused about; Nike isn't known for supporting "overweight criminals" because it's not very often/newsworthy that a fat criminal's shoes are priority.
In the same regard, Hoonigan is not known for the nice cars and good driving because it isn't very often/common that people see that stuff.

Nike is known for athletes going hard in their shit because that's what we always see.
Hoonigan is known for shit cars because that's what we always see.

Let me break this down in what will probably be my last post in this thread;

I'd like to start by again saying no one denies the dudes at Hoonigan can drive and are probably nice people. (Hoonigan supporters seem to get easily defensive about that for some reason. No one bad mouthed them personally.)

Anyways, recently Hulk Hogan was absolutely banished from World Wrestling Entertainment because of recordings that had Hogan using racial remarks.

(Bear with me now.)

Yes, it was a bonehead move by Hogan and Wrestling in general, but the WWE had to remove Hogan from everything. No more bio online, no more t-shirts, no more action figures, nothing. He was even removed from the Hall of Fame. No warning. No mention. No explanation.

Now surely not all athletes who wrestle and not all fans who support wrestling hate Hulk Hogan, nor are they all racist. But to the people that aren't fans of wrestling, all they know is Hulk Hogan. To them, Hulk Hogan is wrestling. So if Hulk Hogan is racist, wrestling is racist. Therefor WWE had to take a very large step in order to make a bold statement that it was not linked with racism.
WWE may not have been happy to let him go, but they have to do so to maintain their image. Is all of WWE racist? No, but they had to make it clear that they do not participate in that lifestyle/way of thinking.

This is comparable to drivers and fans of drifting who want to make bold statements to distance themselves from Hoonigan (as a brand!) because of the poor image it portrays on the whole motorsport industry. Hoonigan hasn't touched every sub-class in motorsport but most of the ones they participate in, they are usually the team of immature and irresponsible drivers that everyone is shaking their heads at. In the meantime, it has become such a large brand because all they do is sell t-shirts and stickers and zipties so anyone with $5 can represent them. The largest known brand of our sport/hobby/interest is promoting this sort of lifestyle/driving to people who may be interested or developing. (ie, leading them down the wrong path or turning them off of the sport completely. Also making the entire sport/class look bad in the same sense Hogan made WWE look racist.)
Members of the community feel the need to distance themselves from Hoonigan so as not to be considered another idiot driving a shit pile because Ain't Care is the cool attitude to have in Jr High.

It's been mentioned already, a lot of us are grown and would like to not at all be related to anything Hoonigan represents, so we must make it clear that we do not participate in that lifestyle/way of thinking.

I think the bottom line of disagreement is that most of the Hoonigan supporters are under the impression that I personally hate Ken Block and Ryan Tueuerurekck and would burn Hoonigan HQ to the ground.
That is not the case. I hate what Hoonigan has become.
The young community of half-assed cut-corners-on-everything teens have taken Hoonigan and ran with it and they aren't coming back. So sorry to the original fans and supporters and creators, but it's long gone and forever hated as an idea, mindset, and lifestyle.

You can try to argue that that's not what Hoonigan is about.
But that is what it is about.
That is what it has become and forever will be.
Any respect they might have had, they handed over to their younger audience by trying to make motorsport a budget hobby.
It never will be.

Hogan may not be a racist, and Block might not be a ziptie everything dickhead, but that's how the world will see them.

hats off to you if you read this all.

tl;dr - i'm all for putting miles on my car and enjoying every foot of them but my car will remain maintained, clean and in order.
let your girls vagina rust out and break and ziptie all the ebay pieces back together and let me know how that works out for you.

I couldn't of said it better. Kudos to you.

[blackmags91]

Almighty So 2016

Will reference this post
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[ThatGuy]

Originally Posted by simmode1

Anyone that would WANT to identify themselves as such are surely the dregs of society.

This needed quoted. Well said!


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[BossHogg]

Hoonigan is basically the badge of approval for being a broke dick. It's like them admitting and knowing, but the sticker makes it all justified. Basically hoonigan is a slang term for douche.

[imotion s14]

Was looking for a shell on CL... about half of them had Hoonigan stickers and look like EBOLAIDS.

[!Zar!]

Hoonigan is an awesome brand.

[Matej]

Hoonigan really speaks to my inner angst and individualism, which I for some reason choose to express primarily through my car.
They get me. Like Limp Bizkit got suburban teenagers in the late 90s.

[Touge Noob S13]

Hoonigan is the white man's Fatlace

[KiLLeR2001]

Originally Posted by Almighty So

Prepare yourselves for a wall of text....

You're my favorite new member, even though you've been here for a year.

Definitions...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hoonigan

Story time...

Just the other day my friend was going to look at an s13, I saw in the pictures it had big ass stickers on the windshield obstructing view, one of them being HOONIGAN. I told my friend to not waste his time that car is trash. He asked me how I knew and I said because of that hoonigan sticker. He didn't believe me. Next day we go look at the car, and everything I thought it would be, it was and more. Spray bombed primer everywhere, all over the trim and on the glass. Zipties in every orifice. Stripped interior. Rusted out trunk from taking the wing off and leaving the holes open to receive water. Front core support all smashed up, frame rails all smashed up. Rear bumper bar all smashed up. Wiring fiasco in the engine bay that literally gave me a miniature heart attack, the list was endless.

My friend asked me (right next to the seller) what I thought about the price they were negotiating on and if I thought it was worth it, and normally I don't say anything mean or negative, I try to respect everyone equally but this time I could not hold myself back. I said something along the lines of... "Honestly bro, just like I told you the other day, I wouldn't spend a dollar on this car. It's worth absolutely nothing to me, and is not something I would ever get into." He was kinda taken aback by this because you could tell in my voice I was seriously agitated. And the seller was probably saying to himself, "damn that guy is a dick." But the truth had to be spoken on this day my friends.

And the worst part is... The seller was saying things along the lines of "Yeah this is a pretty clean body, great project for someone." He was talking as if this condition of 240sx was the norm. But I guess in a lot of ways, it is the normal condition of these cars now. All of the more reason why clean unmolested specimens pull an absolute premium. They are worth it.

tl;dr --> Fuck the hoonigan lifestyle.

[DIENOW]

Originally Posted by Touge Noob S13

Hoonigan is the white man's Fatlace

HAHAH! Best post yet!

[Lees_Garage]

There is a lot of negative opinion in this thread, but I will continue to support the brand by viewing their videos, buying t-shirts, and attending various events at The Hoonigan Garage.

Seems to me, too many of you worry about what other people think way to much. If I cared much about what other people thought of me, I wouldn't be pouring money into, and doting over a '91 Nissan at almost 30yrs old.

Although there are a lot of piles on the road "rockin Hoonigan swag", I'll continue my support, and you'll see my driving my "not a pile" 240 in a Hoonigan t-shirt every once in a while.

If you don't care for the brand, that's fine, but don't automatically paint everyone with a Hoonigan sticker with the same brush. There are some clean rides representing.

[Matej]

Originally Posted by Lees_Garage

Seems to me, too many of you worry about what other people think way to much.

It does tend to seem that way when you make a thread specifically asking people why they think what they think.

[Lees_Garage]

Originally Posted by Matej

It does tend to seem that way when you make a thread specifically asking people why they think what they think.

Saw someone post pics of their very nice S14, just to be bashed for having a small Hoonigan sticker on the car. I didn't understand the hate, wanted to find out why.

[Matej]

[Sumslapper]

I always wondered why all the hate on Hoonigan too, as I really enjoy the videos and driving they do. I find it much more interesting to see rough looking cars shredding tires and being pushed to the limits than paying to look at parked cars at car shows. I don't care for the whole #aintcare branding, but it seems to be working well so kudos to them on marketing.

I think one of the local drift teams Animal Style is rocking some Hoonigan slaps, and I enjoy their videos and cars as well. They also have legit parts and wheels.

[tricky_ab]

Originally Posted by Matej

Hoonigan really speaks to my inner angst and individualism, which I for some reason choose to express primarily through my car.
They get me. Like Limp Bizkit got suburban teenagers in the late 90s.

Originally Posted by Touge Noob S13

Hoonigan is the white man's Fatlace

[spooled240]

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[StatticMyke]

Originally Posted by deolio

simply - they seem to be encouraging everything i hate about drifting.

^This.

No one knows or honestly really cares where #aintcare originated, just what its become. It is everything most enthusiast hate about drifting. The whole, beat the shit outta your car, and just roll with it attitude kills it for me.

[Lees_Garage]

The junk cars, zip tie theme has been going on pretty strong since before Hellaflush hit the scene. Truth is, there are only a handful of S-chassis owners that want to put together a clean car. We can keep blaming brands, or we can just admit that 85% of 240 owners are immature, broke, and love throwing together a car with zip ties and bubble gum.

[FaLKoN240]

Everyone wanna build a final bout car, but they want to live the hoonigan lifestyle.

You gotta choose one.

[RalliartRsX]

Originally Posted by FaLKoN240

Everyone wanna build a final bout car, for $10 because #aintcare.......

There, fixed for truff.

[!Zar!]

Looks dope to me.

[Almighty So]

Originally Posted by KiLLeR2001

You're my favorite new member, even though you've been here for a year.

Originally Posted by Lees_Garage

Truth is, there are only a handful of S-chassis owners that want to put together a clean car. We can keep blaming brands, or we can just admit that 85% of 240 owners are immature, broke, and love throwing together a car with zip ties and bubble gum.

Lee, you seem to be a rare case my friend. Not only do you support Hoonigan but you seem intelligent and you drive a clean car with nice parts. It's not often we come across someone of your stature.
I agree with you that S-chassis owners who can be proud of a nice car are in the minority. I agree most 240 owners are immature and broke. But I don't blame that on the 240. I blame that on Hoonigan which is where this all comes from.

No immature teen was smart enough to think: "This 20 year old car I've never heard of before has almost perfect weight distribution for initiating and maintaining drift! It also has a great aftermarket with plenty of parts. Good chassis to pick up!"
Someone showed them the bullshit ways. Someone taught them to spray neon plastidip and buy zipties and have dents because they make you look cool. Hoonigan.

Say 10 out 100 S-chassis enthusiasts want to build a clean, respectable chassis. The other 90 just want to bullshit around and destroy cars while being reckless and immature until all the chassis are ruined and crushed and gone. Then they go be reckless and immature elsewhere in life.
If this is the case, fuck those 90 people. I'd rather the community just be 10 people who would like to see these cars last and in good condition too.

How detrimental is it to support the idea of destroying the core of our hobby/interest because ain't care?
Some of us actually like s-chassis' as much as we like drifting, so ruining these chassis' doesn't always sit well with me.

We hate them because.. well we hate them. We would like them to leave our "community" or "scene" or whatever we call it these days because they bring nothing positive to it.
Sure some of them can drive, but there are a lot of extremely talented guys who can drive. They also do it cleaner cars that they actually maintain too.
That doesn't outweigh the fact that they've spread the cancerous idea that its cool to destroy your shit and ruin everything because you're a drift rock star.

Another main point of debate that I think we aren't on the same page with;

1st definition of Hoonigan: A brand put together by some good drivers who were friends and having fun.

2nd definition of Hoonigan: that fucking 17 year old kid with the puffy neon skateboard shoes with a vape pen sticking out of his face right above his tire slayer tank top and right below his hoonigan flat brim. he demands to know why you haven't done an sr20 swap because "his boys rips". He also questions why you spent that much on "TE.. what are they called?" when you simply could have "gotten cleaner rotas in better sizes for way cheaper". He scoffs as he lays down some rubber in his one tire fire single cam. The tires screech and the ebay exhaust pops wildly as now everyone is staring at you standing next to your car thinking you're just the same type of idiot.

The point being, not a single one of us has ever used the first definition. Willing to bet some didn't even know it existed.