Drift entrance techniques/form

[rage]

yeah definitely, my buddy rhys millen also told me adding steering angle on s14's makes them amazing

[FTWjesse]

Originally Posted by rage

yeah definitely, my buddy rhys millen also told me adding steering angle on s14's makes them amazing

lol

[vvtisupra]

Since building my current motor, I have realize the wear and tear caused by clutch kicking Also by increasing the power output while retaining the stock gear box I have been trying not to clutch kick anymore.

Competing in Top Drift this year gives me the challenge to enter aggressively while being less aggressive on the car. This includes adding all the above techniques while utilizing less clutch kicking

As far as drifting an s13 vs s14, both cars have their positive. Owning and driving both I notice the S13 is more forgiving, however the S14 is easier to maintain and carry a drift.

[fckillerbee]

I found s13's easier to drift in stock form just because of weight. I drive a s14....stock ka, I have no problem drifting it with 225 40 18's.

[Jayteezzy]

They finally let you back on zilvia? Hahaha no wondern i haven't seen you post up on socal drift lOl ^

[jspec240]

Originally Posted by rage

yeah definitely, my buddy rhys millen also told me adding steering angle on s14's makes them amazing

Originally Posted by Jayteezzy

They finally let you back on zilvia? Hahaha no wondern i haven't seen you post up on socal drift lOl ^

lol I do know JR. I had two post NJ wall formula D event partys at my house for DA and one at his crib in MD.

[Brian]

I wish people would stop thinking they need modified knuckles to drift.

I didn't have them on either of my cars.

[jspec240]

I never said you had to have them. I was learning at the time and I know most people probably dont use them. I was just wanting feedback because I got it back together. guess I should have just taken it out before I asked the question... lol

[Brian]

Originally Posted by jspec240

I never said you had to have them. I was learning at the time and I know most people probably dont use them. I was just wanting feedback because I got it back together. guess I should have just taken it out before I asked the question... lol

Not really directing it at you.... Just tossing it out there like a butterfly.

[ericcastro]

Originally Posted by Brian

I wish people would stop thinking they need modified knuckles to drift.

I didn't have them on either of my cars.

im not so sure that Modified knuckles are a good idea on a low HP KA car.

I dont think my KA can keep drifting at a really steep angle.
Might be good for the occational spin out save.
But at that point, your gonna straighten out anyways.

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by ericcastro

im not so sure that Modified knuckles are a good idea on a low HP KA car.

I dont think my KA can keep drifting at a really steep angle.
Might be good for the occational spin out save.
But at that point, your gonna straighten out anyways.

it wouldn't matter castro....you can barely get full lock and keep drifting anyways...it would only be "needed" for initiation...other than that....you wont see that much angle....

side note....u-turns will be easy.




AND YESSS! I'M BACK !!!!! HAHAAAA

[ericcastro]

Originally Posted by Brian

You would know, you ARE the drift king.

:thumbs up dude

Whatever Brian.
Dont know what your constant attitude is about.

Originally Posted by fckillerbee

it wouldn't matter castro....you can barely get full lock and keep drifting anyways...it would only be "needed" for initiation...other than that....you wont see that much angle....

Not true at all.
I am at full lock quite a bit.
Its usually how i know its time to transition, lift off the gas or put the clutch in before i spin out.
I rarely hit full lock at initiation, but always hit it as i go through the course.( KA doesnt really have enough HP to hit full lock on inititation and to hold proper line on the rest of the course. You will scrub to much speed)
I actually was talked out of getting the knuckles before my coils by Jeff Abott about 2 years ago because i was at lock so much i was looking for a way around it.

Knuckles would help with being able to get a little more angle without binding up.
so things like trying to hold onto a drift a little longer before transition would be made easier.
it would also work as a great safety net in case you got to steep of an angle, you would have a little more left to catch yourself with.
They are also great for chasing in tandem, you can adjust your angle to get under the lead car AND stay on throttle.

Every time I am barely tapping a wall, i end up at full lock.
It was just saying that its hard to drag yourself out of full lock with a KA.
You end up having to manji a lot further out in the opposite direction to get your sped back up.

so trying to hold long drifts at full lock on knuckles with low HP will be extremely difficult.
But if you are going to be at full knuckle lock for a couple seconds here and there, then they should actually be realy nice.

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by ericcastro

Whatever Brian.
Dont know what your constant attitude is about.


Not true at all.
I am at full lock quite a bit.
Its usually how i know its time to transition, lift off the gas or put the clutch in before i spin out.
I rarely hit full lock at initiation, but always hit it as i go through the course.( KA doesnt really have enough HP to hit full lock on inititation and to hold proper line on the rest of the course. You will scrub to much speed)
I actually was talked out of getting the knuckles before my coils by Jeff Abott about 2 years ago because i was at lock so much i was looking for a way around it.

Knuckles would help with being able to get a little more angle without binding up.
so things like trying to hold onto a drift a little longer before transition would be made easier.
it would also work as a great safety net in case you got to steep of an angle, you would have a little more left to catch yourself with.
They are also great for chasing in tandem, you can adjust your angle to get under the lead car AND stay on throttle.

Every time I am barely tapping a wall, i end up at full lock.
It was just saying that its hard to drag yourself out of full lock with a KA.
You end up having to manji a lot further out in the opposite direction to get your sped back up.

so trying to hold long drifts at full lock on knuckles with low HP will be extremely difficult.
But if you are going to be at full knuckle lock for a couple seconds here and there, then they should actually be realy nice.

I get full lock under initiation....it does scrub speed, but that is why you see me initiate late. And I'm usually one and a quarter rotation while drifting, when I get the full one and half, its usually to set up switching the car back. Your right on that one.

I've never really been big on the "full lock" since I don't have power, but then again, I'm trying to spin 18's. But you are driving 17s on your single cam....have you driven balcony since then? I know its a little harder to keep great angle since we have to keep our speed up. But I know I couldn't hold complete full lock, car isn't going fast enough/not enough power to push the car.

Even Chow's car, with around 300whp in his fc, you can see when he gets full lock, the car slows down to almost a deathly slow speed...

I think full lock is made for gangster initiations like pawlak, even essa has some full lock gangster lines...

(both of these people mentioned above I do not know them, they are fictional charecters, they are just used for fanboy reference)

[Brian]

You would know, you ARE the drift king.

:thumbs up dude

[Jayteezzy]

haha careful don't get pinked again lOl ^^

[Brian]

I don't know. I was in a good mood and smiling when I said that. Not hatin' at the moment.

[DJPimpFlex]

I'm friends with **Drop Important Name Here** and he said S13's are better because of **drop stupid reasoning here**....

Honestly everything has to do with set up, track, and most of all, driver skill. Drifting is a lot more driver than any other car motor sport. That is why you see guys with SR's and coils getting rolled by good drivers with welded's and SOHC's.

SEAT TIME SEAT TIME SEAT TIME

[MrChow]

Originally Posted by ericcastro

Whatever Brian.
Dont know what your constant attitude is about.


Not true at all.
I am at full lock quite a bit.
Its usually how i know its time to transition, lift off the gas or put the clutch in before i spin out.
I rarely hit full lock at initiation, but always hit it as i go through the course.( KA doesnt really have enough HP to hit full lock on inititation and to hold proper line on the rest of the course. You will scrub to much speed)
I actually was talked out of getting the knuckles before my coils by Jeff Abott about 2 years ago because i was at lock so much i was looking for a way around it.

Knuckles would help with being able to get a little more angle without binding up.
so things like trying to hold onto a drift a little longer before transition would be made easier.
it would also work as a great safety net in case you got to steep of an angle, you would have a little more left to catch yourself with.
They are also great for chasing in tandem, you can adjust your angle to get under the lead car AND stay on throttle.

Every time I am barely tapping a wall, i end up at full lock.
It was just saying that its hard to drag yourself out of full lock with a KA.
You end up having to manji a lot further out in the opposite direction to get your sped back up.

so trying to hold long drifts at full lock on knuckles with low HP will be extremely difficult.
But if you are going to be at full knuckle lock for a couple seconds here and there, then they should actually be realy nice.

^^ what he said.

Originally Posted by DJPimpFlex

I'm friends with **Drop Important Name Here** and he said S13's are better because of **drop stupid reasoning here**....

Honestly everything has to do with set up, track, and most of all, driver skill. Drifting is a lot more driver than any other car motor sport. That is why you see guys with SR's and coils getting rolled by good drivers with welded's and SOHC's.

SEAT TIME SEAT TIME SEAT TIME

Yeah it's all about Seat Time. I don't have enough still.. =|

[Jayteezzy]

Originally Posted by DJPimpFlex

I'm friends with **Drop Important Name Here** and he said S13's are better because of **drop stupid reasoning here**....

Honestly everything has to do with set up, track, and most of all, driver skill. Drifting is a lot more driver than any other car motor sport. That is why you see guys with SR's and coils getting rolled by good drivers with welded's and SOHC's.

SEAT TIME SEAT TIME SEAT TIME

WORD !
This man says NOTHING but the true
all in all s13 vs. s14 is just people opinions and favorites that's all

[jspec240]

Originally Posted by DJPimpFlex

I'm friends with **Drop Important Name Here** and he said S13's are better because of **drop stupid reasoning here**....



Honestly everything has to do with set up, track, and most of all, driver skill. Drifting is a lot more driver than any other car motor sport. That is why you see guys with SR's and coils getting rolled by good drivers with welded's and SOHC's........

SEAT TIME SEAT TIME SEAT TIME

haha you just contradicted yourself by saying that its about set up because thats what I was asking about. It wasnt just JR that told me it was different opinions on the net that made me ask the question and of course seat time is priority you learn your car and your cars set up. so you can keep on with your >>STATE OBVIOUS REASON* TO LOOK SMART*


and I have 8 yrs of seat time in my s13 but I was asking about an s14

[DJPimpFlex]

Originally Posted by jspec240

haha you just contradicted yourself by saying that its about set up because thats what I was asking about. It wasnt just JR that told me it was different opinions on the net that made me ask the question and of course seat time is priority you learn your car and your cars set up. so you can keep on with your >>STATE OBVIOUS REASON* TO LOOK SMART*


and I have 8 yrs of seat time in my s13 but I was asking about an s14

What I meant by set up is that you can't have a generic "S14 is better than S13" comment because set up changes both cars in unique ways tailored to the drivers/builders preference. I know that my car probably drives very different compared to a lot of other S13's based on my set up, and I know my car drives better than a stock S14, so does that make S13's better than S14's? No.

No need to come out swinging buddy were just talkin here. This is just the internet. <3 long time.

[jspec240]

Originally Posted by DJPimpFlex

What I meant by set up is that you can't have a generic "S14 is better than S13" comment because set up changes both cars in unique ways tailored to the drivers/builders preference. I know that my car probably drives very different compared to a lot of other S13's based on my set up, and I know my car drives better than a stock S14, so does that make S13's better than S14's? No.

No need to come out swinging buddy were just talkin here. This is just the internet. <3 long time.

cool I just called it as I saw it. I agree no ethugin <3 right back atcha

[mbvigil]

Personally I think its hard to initiate a drift turn unless your post count is below 500 on any online forum.

[240XTC]

has any one use it yet?

[ericcastro]

You can easily grab full lock around the last 3rd of the ring an balcony.

i usually try and come in decently shallow to try and keep up on inititation.

I think Chow could make some adjustments, take his tire pressure down and actually go faster, lol.(of course the last thing we need is for him to be going faster, lol)

I was playing with full lock initiation for awhile, but it just got old.
I wanted a true 90 degree angle, and its just not gonna happen till knuckles.

Plus, you have to transfer back pretty quikly after inititaion, unless you do that lame super manji thing where you hold your inititation drift to long.


I think balcony just doesnt have the best speed and distance for full lock drifting.

When Inland Drift was open, i was doing a lot of full lock.
The line i would take stated with a 270 degree sweeper into the figure 8 deal, manji past a cone and big 200 plus degree sweeper out.
So i could get to lock and hold it with throttle till i needed to straighten the wheel and gain some speed.



We need engine upgrades, lol.

[Brian]

You're the king. How much angle do you get on the first clipping point?

[ericcastro]

I can get to full lock if i want, but with the KA you loose a lot of speed.

So if i am running tandem, I usually take a shallow angle and try and tuck up under their inside fender for the ring part.
That usually will put me in a better position to be able to keep up around the ring.
Then I try and stay further inside at the end so i have room to transition right before they do.
That way I can be pushing up onto their other fender before they can get fully on the gas.
usually leaves me in a close position for everything but the inititaion and first clip.

But with my KA, people are usually 5 car lengths ahead at that point anyways, lol.

[DJPimpFlex]

Originally Posted by ericcastro

But with my KA, people are usually 5 car lengths ahead at that point anyways, lol.

Sounds like someone needs a swap :P

[jspec240]

lol your really lookin to keep this thread goin...

[DJPimpFlex]

Originally Posted by jspec240

lol your really lookin to keep this thread goin...

Lol I like it, keeps me motivated. I need to get back out there asap.