The 2020 Presidential Race

[S14rebuild]

Really hopen for another debate....

My thoughts...
I get trump not wanting to debate virtual. Thats just foolish. Easy to lose connection, mute mics or screen.

Should be simple..test 48hr before if negative do it in the town hall. If postive his choice if he would like to attend it virtual.

One of the main reasons i even invested posts in this thread was for my strong belief in the 2nd amendment. I do beleve that is an important topic that should be brought up and debated.

Even durning trump 2nd amendment has been attached..ban of bump stocks and now the ATF is going after pistol braces. This i hope TRUMP steps up and sets the atf in their place.

I would love to hear directly whats bidens idea of 2nd amendment rights and freedoms are. Will he just back pedal like his fracking statements? Cause biden and harris are on tape/video directly sayn they will pull ar15s and "assault weapons" from US citizens

[deolio]

Originally Posted by S14rebuild

2nd amendment rights

They're all moot if we can't own armed tanks, fighter jets, submarines, and fully stocked missile silos. Bump stocks and ar-15's aren't shit to people in power but a tool to divide us peasants.

[zombiewolf513]

Originally Posted by deolio

They're all moot if we can't own armed tanks, fighter jets, submarines, and fully stocked missile silos. Bump stocks and ar-15's aren't shit to people in power but a tool to divide us peasants.

Something we kind of agree on. Bin the NFA. If you can afford to defend yourself in a tank, cool. If you run people over in a tank then the cops should shoot you with an air-to-surface missile

[kingkilburn]

The founders fully intended us to have cannons and organize our own local fighting forces. It's clear that a certain segment doesn't appreciate a certain demographic of the population being well armed and organized, and another segment doesn't like anyone being well armed and organized.

[S14rebuild]

Cannons?, segments?...hmmmm

[kingkilburn]

Y'all got some ideas about leftists that are fear mongering bullshit to keep you engaged by the republican party and neocons. Neocons and neoliberals can both get fucked.

Imagine what changes in federal legislation when leftists and libertarian conservatives can agree than current gun control is bullshit and neither group cares for how "their party" is handling it.

[S14rebuild]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Y'all got some ideas about leftists that are fear mongering bullshit to keep you engaged by the republican party and neocons. Neocons and neoliberals can both get fucked.

Imagine what changes in federal legislation when leftists and libertarian conservatives can agree than current gun control is bullshit and neither group cares for how "their party" is handling it.

Fear mongering= multiple candidates in the same party outright stating they will come for the citizen's firearms.....

[kingkilburn]

Originally Posted by S14rebuild

Fear mongering= multiple candidates in the same party outright stating they will come for the citizen's firearms.....

Candidates that didn't know what they were talking about and LOST. Fuck Beto. Dumbass should have run for senate again and shut up about it

[S14rebuild]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Candidates that didn't know what they were talking about and LOST. Fuck Beto. Dumbass should have run for senate again and shut up about it

https://youtu.be/3wczzXbzXOg

https://youtu.be/rNzur_RQe4k

So........

[kingkilburn]

No one wants to live in soviet apartment blocks. No one. Literally no one.

Neoliberals want you locked into a shitty mortgage so their banker buddies make more money. Neoconservatives only want the right people to qualify for the loans, because fuck browns and gays. Leftists want the constant housing bubble and real estate speculation squashed so that everyone can get into a home, because people deserve to live with dignity.

Que Corbic saying I said homeless people should be given mansions on 5th avenue.

[S14rebuild]

Yea, def dont wanna see american cities filled with concrete crack motels..... shit is a sign of poverty and trash....

American dream- being able to provide for myself and family, and give my kids a better life then i have.

[spooled240]

Originally Posted by S14rebuild

Yea, def dont wanna see american cities filled with concrete crack motels..... shit is a sign of poverty and trash....

American dream- being able to provide for myself and family, and give my kids a better life then i have.

Many millenials these days don't want cars, kids or a big house with a yard and a picket fence. They just want to be able to walk down to their local hipster establishment and have a few kombuchas with their dog-children so it CAN work on paper.. but we all know these complexes will be heavily regulated or even fully operated by the government which will then turn them into shit holes.

Hopefully remote jobs will become a thing so the need for both commuting and proximity to the work place are eliminated. There is so much remote land in America where people can spread out.

[S14rebuild]

Originally Posted by spooled240

Many millenials these days don't want cars, kids or a big house with a yard and a picket fence. They just want to be able to walk down to their local hipster establishment and have a few kombuchas with their dog-children so it CAN work on paper.. but we all know these complexes will be heavily regulated or even fully operated by the government which will then turn them into shit holes.

I could agree with this statement, cant say all but most...

I guess the american dream my generation grew up with is diffrent. Always thought ownership, land, my own peice of the american pie was sought after and the goal. Something to hand down generation to generation....hmmmmm cant see why someone would want different but to each their own

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by spooled240

Many millenials these days don't want cars, kids or a big house with a yard and a picket fence. They just want to be able to walk down to their local hipster establishment and have a few kombuchas with their dog-children

Just means Millennials are a generation of shit stain soy-boy man children afraid to take on responsibility.

"oh no, I'd have to save to buy a house! Oh no I'd have to mow a yard and replace the water heater! Oh no! I have to have insurance on my car and like buy tires!!! Nooooo!"

Then they cry they can't afford to live because they took a 6 year tour at a state school on deferred loans with a degree in Critical Race Theory and can only find a part time job driving a truck.

They then bitch they can't afford to even rent in what is considered the highest cost of living city in the world - (San Francisco) , and blame white privilege, capitalism and Fascism while standing in line to buy their limited YezzyxJordanxSupremexNintendoSwitch drop kicks for $800.

Pack your shit and move to Kansas City and you can get a 4 bedroom house for $160k and a job working at the RailYard for $62k a year.

It's an entire generation of selfish spoiled people who constantly think they are oppressed because they don't have the even slightest clue what oppression is.

They have no desire for responsibility or for the future.

California, King of "Think of the Planet! Global Warming!"... is fucking covered in God damn trash. You cross the Arizona boarder and you don't even need a Welcome sign, you just see road side litter.

Go to LA and fucking TVs and Microwaves are just chilling at intersections. Random tires, busted car parts and fast food garbage everywhere. It's like an episode of Capitan Planet.

At least Detroit just looks like a warzone.

[S14rebuild]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Just means Millennials are a generation of shit stain soy-boy man children afraid to take on responsibility.

"oh no, I'd have to save to buy a house! Oh no I'd have to mow a yard and replace the water heater! Oh no! I have to have insurance on my car and like buy tires!!! Nooooo!"

Then they cry they can't afford to live because they took a 6 year tour at a state school on deferred loans with a degree in Critical Race Theory and can only find a part time job driving a truck.

They then bitch they can't afford to even rent in what is considered the highest cost of living city in the world - (San Francisco) , and blame white privilege, capitalism and Fascism while standing in line to buy their limited YezzyxJordanxSupremexNintendoSwitch drop kicks for $800.

Pack your shit and move to Kansas City and you can get a 4 bedroom house for $160k and a job working at the RailYard for $62k a year.

It's an entire generation of selfish spoiled people who constantly think they are oppressed because they don't have the even slightest clue what oppression is.

They have no desire for responsibility or for the future.

California, King of "Think of the Planet! Global Warming!"... is fucking covered in God damn trash. You cross the Arizona boarder and you don't even need a Welcome sign, you just see road side litter.

Go to LA and fucking TVs and Microwaves are just chilling at intersections. Random tires, busted car parts and fast food garbage everywhere. It's like an episode of Capitan Planet.

At least Detroit just looks like a warzone.

100% the truth....generations to come will be more fucked.

Cant imagine being 75 and witnessing this bullshit in full effect.

[deolio]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Just means Millennials are [insert brain dribble]

You realize you?re a millennial, right? 81-96 baby! However I could have sworn everything stopped being black and white in the 1950?s...



I can?t see the European metro model working in America, especially NOW. Manufacturing and classically ?blue collar? jobs are shifting to desk job type shit, which I think is good for America and Americans, if we are to progress. The only threats are security and the ISP?s never-ending war on net neutrality. China won the manufacturing war, but if America is to continue to lead the world, we can never lose the innovation war. You know what encourages innovation? People not having to dig through trash or jump through hoops to get to their next meal and have a bed to sleep in. Hard to look up when you?re forced to keep your nose to the ground... shit idk where I?m going with this rant... I guess basically people worry too much about what other people are doing and not enough about the bigger picture. Taking a step back to look a things is a good thing to do 🤷🏼*♂️

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by deolio

You realize you?re a millennial, right? 81-96 baby!

While that's totally great for a broad "oh hey, they are adults at the start of the Millennium!" naming convention, it's not an accurate cultural classification.

Plenty of discussion has been done on it, but basically the cultural differences is did you have Facebook, Cellphone and Internet in Highschool.

If you graduated before 2004, the answer is no, and thus you had a very different cultural experience then the post 2005 crowd.

Originally Posted by deolio

However I could have sworn everything stopped being black and white in the 1950?s...

Never to late to have moral fiber and conviction.

Originally Posted by deolio

I can?t see the European metro model working in America, especially NOW. Manufacturing and classically ?blue collar? jobs are shifting to desk job type shit, which I think is good for America and Americans, if we are to progress. The only threats are security and the ISP?s never-ending war on net neutrality.

You have no idea what Net Neutrality is.

Originally Posted by deolio

China won the manufacturing war, but if America is to continue to lead the world, we can never lose the innovation war. You know what encourages innovation? People not having to dig through trash or jump through hoops to get to their next meal and have a bed to sleep in. Hard to look up when you?re forced to keep your nose to the ground... shit idk where I?m going with this rant... I guess basically people worry too much about what other people are doing and not enough about the bigger picture. Taking a step back to look a things is a good thing to do [emoji1743]*[emoji3603]

This made no fucking sense. Sounds like some typical spoiled millennial shit. "oh gawd, in forced to work for an evil corporation making the rich richer just so I can barely afford my Starbucks and PF Chang!!! I'm so oppressed, I have to pay rent!! Reeeee"

[kingkilburn]

Why do you guys think people want government operated housing rather than housing stipends and regulation adjustments? Literally no one wants to live in uncle sam's concrete bunkhouse. Fuck, man.

We could have state banks offering revenue neutral federally subsidized home loans instead of federal handouts for private banks to hustle people on loans for houses they shouldn't qualify for. This focus on the liberal commie boogie man is so fucking stupid and we never get to actual policy.

[spooled240]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

We could have state banks offering revenue neutral federally subsidized home loans instead of federal handouts for private banks to hustle people on loans for houses they shouldn't qualify for.

So like, student loans but for houses? Who is setting prices for the houses? Gov-assisted loans don't do anything except enable the selling entities to price-hike their product with the assumption that the fed(taxpayers) will cover it. This is how colleges are able to charge 100k for a degree in art to 18 year olds so the President of the University can make 500k/year.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by spooled240

So like, student loans but for houses? Who is setting prices for the houses? Gov-assisted loans don't do anything except enable the selling entities to price-hike their product with the assumption that the fed(taxpayers) will cover it. This is how colleges are able to charge 100k for a degree in art to 18 year olds so the President of the University can make 500k/year.

Bingo.

College Cost = Whatever Fannie/Freddy will give a dipshits in deferred loans.

This is why the schools sit on billions of cash, refuse to credit back living costs even though they sent everyone home and raise the pice every year.

Universities have the highest profit margin of any industry, over 50% profit.

They give back fuck all to thr communities, fucking leaches.

[kingkilburn]

Originally Posted by spooled240

So like, student loans but for houses? Who is setting prices for the houses? Gov-assisted loans don't do anything except enable the selling entities to price-hike their product with the assumption that the fed(taxpayers) will cover it. This is how colleges are able to charge 100k for a degree in art to 18 year olds so the President of the University can make 500k/year.

You Are Not Listening.

I specifically called out federally subsidized predatory loans as fucking bad, mkay.

State banks(like North Dakota) giving out federally subsidized and overall revenue neutral(assuming you make your payments) home loans AND housing stipends based on income and zipcode, that's what I want. State banks take in local taxes before they go into government spending and grow it through investment. What sounder investment can a state bank make for its citizens than in helping create more property tax paying households?

The elite are pushing policy like this to pay for their private jets and country clubs. We should be using this model across the board, if it works so well.

"It would never work" I hear you say. But what if it did?
"It'll never pass" I hear you say. But what if it did?

We need more people paying income and property taxes and we need to get there by kick starting the economy from the bottom up for once. The constant quantitative easing hasn't done it.

[kingkilburn]

It's maddening having to talk around ridiculous precanned talking points and vitriol before you ever have a chance to talk about policy and potential outcomes.

[spooled240]

Hard to believe some of these kids today are descendants of the kids who were fighting the Nazi's 75 years ago. Last year I met a WW2 veteran who by the age of 25 already flew numerous sorties in a P-51D Mustang having once ditched in the English channel after suffering engine problems and being one of the few who successfully shot down a German ME262 fighter jet. The amount of bravery and sense of duty these men possessed to fight actual oppression is unfathomable. But like, we need to sue McDonald's because they made me fat when I had little self control from eating their french fries on a daily basis.

[kingkilburn]

P.S.
Millennials are the most productive generation of Americans by far. No butts or caveats. There's mountains of data and research on this. It's been known for years. No one has worked harder or generated more wealth, period.

[S14rebuild]

Most productive as how? Gross earning? Technology advances? National trade growth?

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by S14rebuild

Most productive as how? Gross earning? Technology advances? National trade growth?

Likely the same idiotic Metric that shows France is more productive then China.

Output / Manpower = Productivity.

Reality is technically and automation is the driving factor.

1950 you needed 1,500 AP Clerks to process invoices and payments at GM.

Today, with ERP systems and EDI payments, you need 100 AP Clerks.

OMFG 100 Millennials do the work of 1500 Boomers!!!!

[S14rebuild]

guy pulled up to me at a light, yelled fuk u fa**ots at me and my son, hope yall get deported... all because of my trump flag on my truck. Im confussed lmao

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by S14rebuild

guy pulled up to me at a light, yelled fuk u fa**ots at me and my son, hope yall get deported... all because of my trump flag on my truck. Im confussed lmao

Yup,

The loving accepting diverse left.

They'll key your car and damage your property if they see you supporting Trump.

[S14rebuild]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Yup,

The loving accepting diverse left.

They'll key your car and damage your property if they see you supporting Trump.

Uhhhh... funny its the ONLY negative ive gotten where i live...say its 40 to 1....

Just cant imagine a flag, or my support for the president of the usa, triggern sumone so hard lol... grown man calln a 10yr old boy a fa**ot.....

[spooled240]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

My family lived in a small apartment block over a hotel in Munich, and my friends at the time all lived in apartments. Everyone was happy and we were all within walking distance of public transport and shopping.

it was so awesome you moved out and bought a house? lol

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

You Are Not Listening.

I specifically called out federally subsidized predatory loans as fucking bad, mkay.

State banks(like North Dakota) giving out federally subsidized and overall revenue neutral(assuming you make your payments) home loans AND housing stipends based on income and zipcode, that's what I want.

I think all this will do will just increase the prices for everything incrementally. That's just how the market is. Affordability goes up and so do all the prices. It's happening right now with the recent decrease in interest rates..