"With or without congress." So all hail King Obama?

[zerodameaon]

Say what you want about Obama either pro or against him, but WTF was that line?



I could be just paranoid, and if so I blame the military, you see shit that really opens your eyes.

[tiggertsi]

Originally Posted by zerodameaon

Say what you want about Obama either pro or against him, but WTF was that line?



I could be just paranoid, and if so I blame the military, you see shit that really opens your eyes.

you're not being paranoid. if you haven't heard of it or read it i would highly suggest you read a book called "Democracy in America" written by Alexis de Tocqueville in 1835. If ever there was a prophet this man would top my list, pretty accurate contemplation of the way America would go and is going.

[redline racer510]

I stopped caring. To me government and voting is a fiction.

[tiggertsi]

it is a fiction really. all human endeavor when it involves culture and the things that proceed henceforth are a thinly veiled but often deeply opaque lie and contradiction to nature. in the words of Terence McKenna

Culture is not your friend. Culture is for other people’s convenience and the convenience of various institutions, churches, companies, tax collection schemes, and what have you. It is not your friend. It insults you, it disempowers you, it uses and abuses you. None of us are well treated by culture

[supersayianjim]

well lets see. the republicans are stopping any progress in this country. and this guy has tried to play ball. and these asshole are just blocking progress to make o.b. look bad. let's not drink the cool-aid here.

this is a smart move, the "if you aren't going to do anything, I will" stance. and I support him in moving things and making progress.

if anyone has a brain out there they would "open their eyes" and see the real bad guys are the obstructionist republicans!!

[tiggertsi]

Originally Posted by supersayianjim

if anyone has a brain out there they would "open their eyes" and see the real bad guys are the obstructionist republicans!!

eyes are open ..... republicans, democrats, it's all a sham.

[AFSil80]

Originally Posted by supersayianjim

well lets see. the republicans are stopping any progress in this country. and this guy has tried to play ball. and these asshole are just blocking progress to make o.b. look bad. let's not drink the cool-aid here.

this is a smart move, the "if you aren't going to do anything, I will" stance. and I support him in moving things and making progress.

if anyone has a brain out there they would "open their eyes" and see the real bad guys are the obstructionist republicans!!

You're trolling, right?

You do realize there's a reason for the system of checks and balances, right?

You also realize that Obama had a Democrat controlled Congress leftover from the Bush regime, and that's why he shoehorned Obamacare through, right?

And then the American people woke up, and voted out those Democrats to restore a sense of balance.

Who am I kidding, of course you're trolling. You're not that stupid. Right?

[ineedone]

Originally Posted by AFSil80

And then the American people woke up, and voted out those Democrats to restore a sense of balance.

National Voter Turnout in Federal Elections: | Infoplease.com

Yup... all 37% of those Americans woke up...

The way congress works right now is that a minority of the minority wields power over the majority with the way the filibuster has been used (which is unconstitutional if you want to get real nerdy with all of this).

Also, legislation that takes 2+ years to pass can not honestly be considered "shoehorned."

[tiggertsi]

Originally Posted by ineedone

National Voter Turnout in Federal Elections: | Infoplease.com

Yup... all 37% of those Americans woke up...

my question is this, if voting is such a cherished pass-time of supposedly free societies then why are we not given the chance to actually vote on issues that would affect the common citizenry instead of only voting on which person gets elected to whichever "official" office? i don't remember having the chance to vote on obamacare, or auditing the fed, or income tax, or government bail-outs, and i could keep going. but oh yeah it's a representative form of government.

[ineedone]

Originally Posted by tiggertsi

my question is this, if voting is such a cherished pass-time of supposedly free societies then why are we not given the chance to actually vote on issues that would affect the common citizenry instead of only voting on which person gets elected to whichever "official" office? i don't remember having the chance to vote on obamacare, or auditing the fed, or income tax, or government bail-outs, and i could keep going. but oh yeah it's a representative form of government.

Answer - A vast majority of people could not care less about politics and/or non-presidential elections. The country struggles to get a majority of it's citizens to vote in presidential elections.

However, if we had higher participation - all the stuff you are whining about would have much stronger support (for the Dems that is) as the country has shifted to a center-dem position. The things you listed (besides the ACA which is still majority supported when you factor in the amount of people who think the act does not go far enough) are not even supported by a minority of the minority of the minority.

Sorry bud.

[Cyberzen]

Originally Posted by supersayianjim

well lets see. the republicans are stopping any progress in this country. and this guy has tried to play ball. and these asshole are just blocking progress to make o.b. look bad. let's not drink the cool-aid here.

this is a smart move, the "if you aren't going to do anything, I will" stance. and I support him in moving things and making progress.

if anyone has a brain out there they would "open their eyes" and see the real bad guys are the obstructionist republicans!!

lol if you think the reason this country is the way it is simply because one party is playing hardball then you sir are wrong. Obama and America are the joke of the international community. I say this with a very heavy heart, i love my country and what it "used" to stand for. Fact of the matter is Americas values are corroding, due to this we no longer will be the resilient nation we have been for the past 230 years.

Originally Posted by tiggertsi

my question is this, if voting is such a cherished pass-time of supposedly free societies then why are we not given the chance to actually vote on issues that would affect the common citizenry instead of only voting on which person gets elected to whichever "official" office? i don't remember having the chance to vote on obamacare, or auditing the fed, or income tax, or government bail-outs, and i could keep going. but oh yeah it's a representative form of government.

look up the words : "soft despotism". it will clarify why you are not able to vote on the matters that really affect you, we're all a part of it welcome to the party !

[zerodameaon]

Republican, Democrat, same shit different animal.

[No 240.. No id]

Originally Posted by zerodameaon

Republican, Democrat, same shit different animal.

This!!
They all have their own goal. Who gives a damn about the people? If somehow we get a president that will care a bit about the people, then he should get prepared to be shot in the head like JFK....thanks to "Israel".

[spooled240]

people are too occupied about Kim Kardashian's new baby to give a fuck about things that will ultimately affect the rest of their life

[Corbic]

[s14SRguy]

All I am going to say is I FUCKING HATE OBAMA.

its all POLITRIX

He HATES america and what it stands for. He doesn't believe in people working hard to make a better living. He gives off this vibe that America is soooo horrible and we need to change it.

Fuck that, if your a lazy fuck who doesn't want to work, doesn't want to better themselves for their families well being, and doesn't want to contribute to society, you deserve nothing except to be kicked in the eye and stomped out.

You know how many DEAD people voted for osam- i mean obama? Or liberals in general? There is a reason all the liberals want to prevent voter identification. Because its the only way they can win, along deception and lies.

Land of hand outs is far from freedom.

fuck obama, People are so brainwashed by MTV and shitty reality shows they could care less about what the government is doing. Liberal media (90% of networks have a political agenda) has made the general population so fucking stupid all they care about is whats happening next on some stupid ass show that doesn't even directly affect their lives.

its all a distraction from the truth, so they can perpetuate lies.

I have too much to say for this post and thread. America is dying very very fast. We as a people are losing freedoms we were once guaranteed.


Dont even get me started on Obamacare....gonna turn the hospitals into the fucking DMV. all obamacare does it cut job hours to 28 because if a business cant afford it then they arent gonna pay it.

[az_240]

Owebama making a run for worst president in history.

[90S13hatch_tony]

Obama loves the "poor" he created millions more,
Why should we "support" some lazy ass family that is only good for over populating our cities and collecting food stamps and stupid EBT to go eat at pizza hut, KFC or buy shit at 7-11....
Share our work ethic... not our wealth!!

Shit with all the dam taxes they take away, they should at least send us pictures of the freaken family we are supporting!
Nobama.....
One
Big
Ass
Mistake
America

[ineedone]

Originally Posted by 90S13hatch_tony

Obama loves the "poor" he created millions more,
Why should we "support" some lazy ass family that is only good for over populating our cities and collecting food stamps and stupid EBT to go eat at pizza hut, KFC or buy shit at 7-11....
Share our work ethic... not our wealth!!

Shit with all the dam taxes they take away, they should at least send us pictures of the freaken family we are supporting!
Nobama.....
One
Big
Ass
Mistake
America

If you want to see pictures of those on government assistance - just look in the mirror man. On a more serious note, instead of all the skating, just drop the n word if it is how you really feel.

[stevenrapids]

Originally Posted by ineedone

If you want to see pictures of those on government assistance - just look in the mirror man. On a more serious note, instead of all the skating, just drop the n word if it is how you really feel.

Just because he doesnt agree with someone makes hime a racist? You are the worst kind of person.

[ineedone]

Originally Posted by stevenrapids

Just because he doesnt agree with someone makes hime a racist? You are the worst kind of person.

Hmm, I was going more by the "overpopulating our cities and collecting food stamps" rant. I guess he could have meant the vast majority of welfare recipients. White people living in shitty rural areas and towns doing meth and spending all your gubment bucks on camo wrestling tees at the Walmart.

[dudermagee]

Originally Posted by ineedone

Hmm, I was going more by the "overpopulating our cities and collecting food stamps" rant. I guess he could have meant the vast majority of welfare recipients. White people living in shitty rural areas and towns doing meth and spending all your gubment bucks on camo wrestling tees at the Walmart.

Its a well known fact that more white Americans use wellfare than black or hispanic Americans.
However, there are statistically more black people per capita on welfare.
IIRC it was something like 1 in 5 (Black Americans) vs 1 in 10 (White Americans)
But who cares.

[90S13hatch_tony]

Originally Posted by ineedone

If you want to see pictures of those on government assistance - just look in the mirror man. On a more serious note, instead of all the skating, just drop the n word if it is how you really feel.

Did I ever once lean towards a certain race?! There are whites, African Americans, Chinese, Mexicans....etc all exploiting the system for there own personal gain. Why the hell should give my hard earned money to some undeserving good for nothing prick.
I am Mexican american and I work for my own. I don't need no fucking government handout or "assistane" to get by.

[stevenrapids]

why does everything have to turn into a race discussion. That is irrelevant to our system being flawed and the middle class being punished for it. Another thing that really grinds my gears is how our income tax system is to the point now where is another form of welfare. I know people that receive double or triple the amount they paid in taxes back. Not much to really do at this point other than pay and forget.

[Juantwo3]

im tryna watch the vid but its not working

[lewisfk]

I read through this thread and 90% of you are lost. If you never served in the military for one 4 year enlistment or public serves; police, firefighter, school teacher. You shouldn't be able to vote!!!. The true corruption is not one part or another it's money. Money brings out the worse in most people. How many top level politicians were caught in a major scam or crime while in public office. Example: John Boehner http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Boehner. Nancy Pelosi. http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/13/politi...inutes-pelosi/. It doesn't matter what party you choose, they care more about money than they do this country. We truly need a third party, and term limits on Congress.

[tiggertsi]

Originally Posted by lewisfk

If you never served in the military for one 4 year enlistment or public serves; police, firefighter, school teacher. You shouldn't be able to vote!!!.

wrong. most of these people, in general terms, don't have a clue. serving in the military, being a firefighter, school teacher or public servant doesn't automatically give one insight into the origins of the united states of america, it's true form of government, an understanding of rights and the constitution or the basic idea of freedom.

Originally Posted by ineedone

If you want to bitch about welfare, bitch about corporations.

ding ding ding, we have a winner johnny. i'd suggest to also look at the history of the federal reserve act, the federal reserve itself and the irs and how both which started in 1913 had a hand in making the welfare conditions rise significantly. or let me put it another way, a welfare state was purposefully planned and executed for very specific reasons, the whole system worked as one would figure out an equation. many of the same people in higher positions of both the federal reserve and the irs from their inceptions also have sat as chairmen of major corporations.

[xilovelsdx]

Originally Posted by tiggertsi

wrong. most of these people, in general terms, don't have a clue. serving in the military, being a firefighter, school teacher or public servant doesn't automatically give one insight into the origins of the united states of america, it's true form of government, an understanding of rights and the constitution or the basic idea of freedom.

Yeah I would say that overall the people I have met in the military are absolutely way more retarded than people I met in my civilian life. People are so sheltered in the military that it is ridiculous.

[lewisfk]

Why is race in this conversation? Very simple answer, people result to the lowest common denominator when it comes to explain their struggles. I'm black and yes I know 1 in 5 of so are on some type of social welfare. If you look at the Farm Bill that pays for welfare you will understand most Americans are on some type of welfare. Multi Millionaires apply for welfare everyday, they just change the name to pull the wool over your eyes. Accountability is the hardest thing in this world, and the easiest at times. As a whole this country lacks accountability!

[dudermagee]

Originally Posted by lewisfk

Why is race in this conversation? Very simple answer, people result to the lowest common denominator when it comes to explain their struggles. I'm black and yes I know 1 in 5 of so are on some type of social welfare. If you look at the Farm Bill that pays for welfare you will understand most Americans are on some type of welfare. Multi Millionaires apply for welfare everyday, they just change the name to pull the wool over your eyes. Accountability is the hardest thing in this world, and the easiest at times. As a whole this country lacks accountability!

Doesn't help that black people are targeted unfairly with laws and racial profiling by police.
On the other side, the whole rap/thug culture isn't helping things either.

I'm as white as casper the friendly ghost, if that matters.