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Yosho · 06-08-2002, 04:45 AM

I need some help...

On S13's is ABS something that should be avoided?  I'm looking to pick up a 92 or 93 this month.  I know from experience that Nissan vastly improved the ABS in the S14 over the S13... but I've never driven an S13 with ABS at the limits.

What's the general opion on S13's ABS system?  Should I avoid it or is it a feature I should want?

Thanks,

srJOEYdet · 06-08-2002, 12:29 PM

In last month's issue of sport compact car, they had a few articles on the 240, and one of them was the SR20DET conversion. In that article they said to avoid the ABS. They mentioned it was "realitively primitive". Which most likely means they will lock up intermittently. They also said to look out for the ones with HICAS, as it was sometimes out of phanse randomly. So your car handles great beacause it has 4-wheel steering, and than suddenly it changes to two wheel steering without your knowing, and than you take a curve on the freeway at 100mph and kill yourself. Hope it helps.

rotaryknight · 06-09-2002, 01:40 AM

Yea don't get the HICAS..in Japan they make kits to eliminate it so that tells you something.

Yosho · 06-09-2002, 01:21 PM

Yeah, I've never cared for HICAS or any of the 4WS systems produced.  Maybe on the Skyline it's outstanding... but that also has one of the most complicated computer systems to date controling it.

ABS is another matter though... I know what SSC said, but you have to take everything they say with a grain of salt.  I was interested to know what owners of S13's thought about the subject.

240sxygrl · 06-09-2002, 06:14 PM

ABS might be beneficial for someone who is scared to threshold brake. I don't have ABS on my s13, and I prefer it that way, but depends on preference I suppose.

Yosho · 06-09-2002, 10:41 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (240sxygrl @ June 09 2002,7:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ABS might be beneficial for someone who is scared to threshold brake. I don't have ABS on my s13, and I prefer it that way, but depends on preference I suppose.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I've never had a car with ABS... so I don't have a problem buying one without it.  On the other hand, I know a lot of SCCA Honda drivers who really like their system.  (It rains a lot in FL... so for street and track it has it's advantages they say).

S13Grl · 06-10-2002, 12:01 AM

I have ABS on my '91 LE, and I love it. It doesn't lock up intermittently and it works great. It's a great thing to have when you live in a cold town where it rains and snows a lot and if you don't have another daily driver.

It's true that it's harder to break the car loose on corners if you have the ABS activated, so the drifting crowd might not like ABS too much, but all you gotta do is fuck it up temporarily and you're done.

Yosho · 06-10-2002, 02:14 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (S13Grl @ June 10 2002,01:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I have ABS on my '91 LE, and I love it. It doesn't lock up intermittently and it works great. It's a great thing to have when you live in a cold town where it rains and snows a lot and if you don't have another daily driver.

It's true that it's harder to break the car loose on corners if you have the ABS activated, so the drifting crowd might not like ABS too much, but all you gotta do is fuck it up temporarily and you're done.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hey... thanks for the answer.

Do you have a stock braking system or have you done anything to it.  (This is my second concern about ABS... it's ability to be upgraded).

S13Grl · 06-10-2002, 07:57 PM

My brakes are still stock, but I'm gonna go for the Z32 front brake conversion. Z32s (at least TTs) came with ABS standard, and it's the same non-integral Nissan design. It works with upgraded brakes (for Z32s).

Brembo sells kits for ABS 240s. So does Stillen. They have choices available, and ABS still works.

06-08-2002, 04:45 AM	#1
Yosho Zilvia Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Williamsburg VA Age: 48 Posts: 180 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I need some help... On S13's is ABS something that should be avoided?  I'm looking to pick up a 92 or 93 this month.  I know from experience that Nissan vastly improved the ABS in the S14 over the S13... but I've never driven an S13 with ABS at the limits. What's the general opion on S13's ABS system?  Should I avoid it or is it a feature I should want? Thanks, __________________ - Yosho '93 Nissan 2000 GSR '96 200SX SE-R '00 Civic Si (For Sale)

06-08-2002, 12:29 PM	#2
srJOEYdet Zilvia Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Age: 39 Posts: 260 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	In last month's issue of sport compact car, they had a few articles on the 240, and one of them was the SR20DET conversion. In that article they said to avoid the ABS. They mentioned it was "realitively primitive". Which most likely means they will lock up intermittently. They also said to look out for the ones with HICAS, as it was sometimes out of phanse randomly. So your car handles great beacause it has 4-wheel steering, and than suddenly it changes to two wheel steering without your knowing, and than you take a curve on the freeway at 100mph and kill yourself. Hope it helps. __________________ Exceed 400x200 size limit

06-09-2002, 01:40 AM	#3
rotaryknight Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 408 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yea don't get the HICAS..in Japan they make kits to eliminate it so that tells you something. __________________ Daily Driver- 91 240 SX SE...S13 Blacktop HKS FMIC, EVC IV, W/G, Racing Suction, DP, Dual Drager, springs/pillow ball mounts Whiteline sway bars Tokico blues Koyo Radiator, Fluidyne fan J30 VLSD stock exterior. Fun Car- 94 FD3S (TO4S). The White HKS FD in FnF......may she rest in pieces.

06-09-2002, 01:21 PM	#4
Yosho Zilvia Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Williamsburg VA Age: 48 Posts: 180 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yeah, I've never cared for HICAS or any of the 4WS systems produced.  Maybe on the Skyline it's outstanding... but that also has one of the most complicated computer systems to date controling it. ABS is another matter though... I know what SSC said, but you have to take everything they say with a grain of salt.  I was interested to know what owners of S13's thought about the subject. __________________ - Yosho '93 Nissan 2000 GSR '96 200SX SE-R '00 Civic Si (For Sale)

06-09-2002, 10:41 PM	#6
Yosho Zilvia Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Williamsburg VA Age: 48 Posts: 180 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (240sxygrl @ June 09 2002,7:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ABS might be beneficial for someone who is scared to threshold brake. I don't have ABS on my s13, and I prefer it that way, but depends on preference I suppose.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> I've never had a car with ABS... so I don't have a problem buying one without it.  On the other hand, I know a lot of SCCA Honda drivers who really like their system.  (It rains a lot in FL... so for street and track it has it's advantages they say). __________________ - Yosho '93 Nissan 2000 GSR '96 200SX SE-R '00 Civic Si (For Sale)

06-09-2002, 06:14 PM	#5
240sxygrl Leaky Injector Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 59 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ABS might be beneficial for someone who is scared to threshold brake. I don't have ABS on my s13, and I prefer it that way, but depends on preference I suppose.

06-10-2002, 12:01 AM	#7
S13Grl Married to the Mob Join Date: Dec 2000 Age: 44 Posts: 3,670 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I have ABS on my '91 LE, and I love it. It doesn't lock up intermittently and it works great. It's a great thing to have when you live in a cold town where it rains and snows a lot and if you don't have another daily driver. It's true that it's harder to break the car loose on corners if you have the ABS activated, so the drifting crowd might not like ABS too much, but all you gotta do is fuck it up temporarily and you're done.

06-10-2002, 02:14 AM	#8
Yosho Zilvia Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Williamsburg VA Age: 48 Posts: 180 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (S13Grl @ June 10 2002,01:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I have ABS on my '91 LE, and I love it. It doesn't lock up intermittently and it works great. It's a great thing to have when you live in a cold town where it rains and snows a lot and if you don't have another daily driver. It's true that it's harder to break the car loose on corners if you have the ABS activated, so the drifting crowd might not like ABS too much, but all you gotta do is fuck it up temporarily and you're done.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Hey... thanks for the answer. Do you have a stock braking system or have you done anything to it.  (This is my second concern about ABS... it's ability to be upgraded). __________________ - Yosho '93 Nissan 2000 GSR '96 200SX SE-R '00 Civic Si (For Sale)

06-10-2002, 07:57 PM	#9
S13Grl Married to the Mob Join Date: Dec 2000 Age: 44 Posts: 3,670 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	My brakes are still stock, but I'm gonna go for the Z32 front brake conversion. Z32s (at least TTs) came with ABS standard, and it's the same non-integral Nissan design. It works with upgraded brakes (for Z32s). Brembo sells kits for ABS 240s. So does Stillen. They have choices available, and ABS still works.