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240sBoMex · 06-16-2002, 03:12 AM

Im in need of sum help on best ways to start off my 97 240, cause I cant get ahead of my friends 92 BONE stock Celica, bout halfcar length away...even worse is i have Apex Turbo N1 muffler wif 2.5 inch nonmandrel bent piping and Stillen Filter...
Wuts going on, sposedly 240 suppose to be ahead off the line rite = RWD? I used to rev 3000 then totally let go of the clutch (thats clutch dropping rite?) but now, I rev 2000 while holding the clutch halfway, and then let go to accel (clutch slipping?)...How do u ppl get good times especially good launches starts?? Did i mention his cars BONE Stock and makes broken noises?
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Alias · 06-16-2002, 08:10 AM

I Bet you get alot of wheel spin droping it @ 3000. I know I do. Try droping it at 2000......

Broadwayblues · 06-16-2002, 08:36 AM

Depends on what his car's model is. my wife has a bone stock 92 GT-S and it's much faster 0-60 then my 240SX. I have a muffler on mine too. So just practice your launches, my clutch slips just a little on launches, so I don't do much racing anymore, but driving both cars sometimes everyday, the Celica is faster.

*DSC* · 06-16-2002, 09:38 AM

I can't launch by droping the clutch.  I'll either spin tires or my rpm's will drop down to like 500 and I lose time.  I say rev to 3000 and slip the clutch as you rev up to 4000...it's hell on you clutch but oh well.

tnord · 06-16-2002, 10:24 AM

3k rpm launches is probably best, you might even be able to launch a bit higher. but don't completely just dump the clutch, that's reserved for those AWD guys. and i hate to tell you, but that exhuast probably isn't making more than 2hp for you if it's not mandrel bent.

i thought the N1 single was like a 3'' mandrel bent system. bah.......who knows.

s13silady · 06-16-2002, 01:12 PM

i agree that around 3000 is the best to launch at.... i launch at 3500 and my launch is good..

s13silady · 06-16-2002, 01:12 PM

i agree that around 3000 is the best to launch at.... i launch at 3500 and my launch is good.. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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*DSC* · 06-16-2002, 02:06 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ June 15 2002,1:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i thought the N1 single was like a 3'' mandrel bent system. bah.......who knows.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
It is IIRC, but he doesn't have the n1 single <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

"Apex Turbo N1 muffler wif 2.5 inch nonmandrel bent [custom] piping"

misnomer · 06-17-2002, 12:55 AM

From what I've been reading on the Celica, the GT and GT-S are both 135 hp engines, weighing in at about that of the 240sx. Granted, fwd should have less parasitic drivetrain loss, though how could that account for a '92 Celica being that much quicker? I think you oughta practice your launches <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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BTW, although rwd is ideal for launches, unless you are at crazy hp levels, it doesn't really matter. It only improves traction, typically not a problem on sub-150 hp cars <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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WaKeMaN · 06-17-2002, 08:06 PM

I had a '90 Celica ST, like 102 hp <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'> . 1.6 Liter.
GT and GTS are 2.2 Liter (I think) for 135-140hp.

The only explaination for your loss is your fried has an All-Trac Turbo <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'> You'd probably notice though... They look a .bit different (hood scoop and side vents).

2.0 3SGTE... mmm... 200 hp, 4wd, Nice cars but very hard to find.

Good Luck Next Time.

BTW: I love that front end <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'> . But where are your side markers and turn signals?

240sBoMex · 06-18-2002, 02:45 AM

The celicas a GT-S and my friend has an older (88) alltrac turbo celica but wif changed '90 supra turbo and i have a match wif him soon, we have a bet and loser puts sumthing embarassing on his car <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'> hmmm do i got a chance??
I just keep losing by bout half to one car length but if they have the same weight but 240 has more HP shouldnt I be gaining on him??
btw Im shiftin @5800-6000 each gear, feels stronger i think

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">'ll either spin tires or my rpm's will drop down to like 500 and I lose time</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
thats exactly what happens 90% of the time, but when i slip the clutch it does help more

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i agree that around 3000 is the best to launch at.... i launch at 3500 and my launch is good.. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
is that a "Clutch Slip" launch and do u feel pulled ahead when its a good launch??
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">.... Granted, fwd should have less parasitic drivetrain loss...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Please Go on!!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But where are your side markers and turn signals?
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Dont need sidemarkers yet, got my corner lenses by my lites wired to blink as signals, and turn signals coming soon ($$!&#33<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'>  Saw your other post and sig, i think i got same strut bar as u, obxR REd wif holes rite?? Just came in today!! hows it any troubles wif install??

thanks everbody!!
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jdkruger4 · 06-19-2002, 08:59 AM

maybe the celica has lower gearing so say hes running though to 4th gear when you're just hitting 3rd.... he'd in effect have more power to the ground than you even if he has less at the flywheel.

240sBoMex · 06-20-2002, 11:04 PM

Bump!

WaKeMaN · 06-21-2002, 05:20 PM

Yeah, that's the strut bar all right, it looks really nice, and it's really beefy.  Breeze to put in... needed a bit of wd-40 on the bolts though to free 'em.  I'll put up a pic when I get it on the web.

06-16-2002, 09:38 AM	#4
DSC New Title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: VA Posts: 3,454 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I can't launch by droping the clutch.  I'll either spin tires or my rpm's will drop down to like 500 and I lose time.  I say rev to 3000 and slip the clutch as you rev up to 4000...it's hell on you clutch but oh well. __________________

06-16-2002, 01:12 PM	#6
s13silady Nissanaholic! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Bay Area, San Jose Posts: 1,804 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i agree that around 3000 is the best to launch at.... i launch at 3500 and my launch is good.. __________________

06-16-2002, 01:12 PM	#7
s13silady Nissanaholic! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Bay Area, San Jose Posts: 1,804 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i agree that around 3000 is the best to launch at.... i launch at 3500 and my launch is good.. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> __________________

06-16-2002, 02:06 PM	#8
DSC New Title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: VA Posts: 3,454 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ June 15 2002,1:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i thought the N1 single was like a 3'' mandrel bent system. bah.......who knows.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> It is IIRC, but he doesn't have the n1 single <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> "Apex Turbo N1 muffler wif 2.5 inch nonmandrel bent [custom] piping" __________________

06-17-2002, 12:55 AM	#9
misnomer Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Nevada Posts: 2,293 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	From what I've been reading on the Celica, the GT and GT-S are both 135 hp engines, weighing in at about that of the 240sx. Granted, fwd should have less parasitic drivetrain loss, though how could that account for a '92 Celica being that much quicker? I think you oughta practice your launches <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> BTW, although rwd is ideal for launches, unless you are at crazy hp levels, it doesn't really matter. It only improves traction, typically not a problem on sub-150 hp cars <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> __________________ Rowsdower saves us and saves all the world!

06-16-2002, 03:12 AM	#1
240sBoMex Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 85 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Im in need of sum help on best ways to start off my 97 240, cause I cant get ahead of my friends 92 BONE stock Celica, bout halfcar length away...even worse is i have Apex Turbo N1 muffler wif 2.5 inch nonmandrel bent piping and Stillen Filter... Wuts going on, sposedly 240 suppose to be ahead off the line rite = RWD? I used to rev 3000 then totally let go of the clutch (thats clutch dropping rite?) but now, I rev 2000 while holding the clutch halfway, and then let go to accel (clutch slipping?)...How do u ppl get good times especially good launches starts?? Did i mention his cars BONE Stock and makes broken noises? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'>

06-16-2002, 08:10 AM	#2
Alias Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Piqua,OH Posts: 229 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I Bet you get alot of wheel spin droping it @ 3000. I know I do. Try droping it at 2000......

06-16-2002, 08:36 AM	#3
Broadwayblues Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 193 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Depends on what his car's model is. my wife has a bone stock 92 GT-S and it's much faster 0-60 then my 240SX. I have a muffler on mine too. So just practice your launches, my clutch slips just a little on launches, so I don't do much racing anymore, but driving both cars sometimes everyday, the Celica is faster. __________________ "stop lights timed to 55 mph are also timed to 110 mph!" http://www.geocities.com/broadwayblues34/240sx.html 92 240SX Coupe! MB clear side markers Clear bumper lights 3 inch universal muffler w/ removable tip. Strut tower bar- Front OBX SS version 2

06-16-2002, 10:24 AM	#5
tnord Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	3k rpm launches is probably best, you might even be able to launch a bit higher. but don't completely just dump the clutch, that's reserved for those AWD guys. and i hate to tell you, but that exhuast probably isn't making more than 2hp for you if it's not mandrel bent. i thought the N1 single was like a 3'' mandrel bent system. bah.......who knows.

06-17-2002, 08:06 PM	#10
WaKeMaN Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Massachusetts Age: 44 Posts: 104 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I had a '90 Celica ST, like 102 hp <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> . 1.6 Liter. GT and GTS are 2.2 Liter (I think) for 135-140hp. The only explaination for your loss is your fried has an All-Trac Turbo <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> You'd probably notice though... They look a .bit different (hood scoop and side vents). 2.0 3SGTE... mmm... 200 hp, 4wd, Nice cars but very hard to find. Good Luck Next Time. BTW: I love that front end <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> . But where are your side markers and turn signals? __________________ Previous Car: 1994 Z28 Current Car: 1997 240SX SE 5sp (OBX FSTB, N1 Dual, pondering Greddy Turbo Kit...) I'm just another one of the ever growing list of V8 defectors.

06-18-2002, 02:45 AM	#11
240sBoMex Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 85 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The celicas a GT-S and my friend has an older (88) alltrac turbo celica but wif changed '90 supra turbo and i have a match wif him soon, we have a bet and loser puts sumthing embarassing on his car <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> hmmm do i got a chance?? I just keep losing by bout half to one car length but if they have the same weight but 240 has more HP shouldnt I be gaining on him?? btw Im shiftin @5800-6000 each gear, feels stronger i think </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">'ll either spin tires or my rpm's will drop down to like 500 and I lose time</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> thats exactly what happens 90% of the time, but when i slip the clutch it does help more </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i agree that around 3000 is the best to launch at.... i launch at 3500 and my launch is good.. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> is that a "Clutch Slip" launch and do u feel pulled ahead when its a good launch?? </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">.... Granted, fwd should have less parasitic drivetrain loss...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Please Go on!! </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But where are your side markers and turn signals? </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Dont need sidemarkers yet, got my corner lenses by my lites wired to blink as signals, and turn signals coming soon ($$!&#33<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>  Saw your other post and sig, i think i got same strut bar as u, obxR REd wif holes rite?? Just came in today!! hows it any troubles wif install?? thanks everbody!! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

06-19-2002, 08:59 AM	#12
jdkruger4 Leaky Injector Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 139 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	maybe the celica has lower gearing so say hes running though to 4th gear when you're just hitting 3rd.... he'd in effect have more power to the ground than you even if he has less at the flywheel. __________________ stock '91 240sx, black, LE w/ 90k miles, and high performance spoiler rust that was poorly "fixed"

06-20-2002, 11:04 PM	#13
240sBoMex Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 85 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Bump!

06-21-2002, 05:20 PM	#14
WaKeMaN Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Massachusetts Age: 44 Posts: 104 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yeah, that's the strut bar all right, it looks really nice, and it's really beefy.  Breeze to put in... needed a bit of wd-40 on the bolts though to free 'em.  I'll put up a pic when I get it on the web. __________________ Previous Car: 1994 Z28 Current Car: 1997 240SX SE 5sp (OBX FSTB, N1 Dual, pondering Greddy Turbo Kit...) I'm just another one of the ever growing list of V8 defectors.