RB20det Injectors

[cmcdougle]

I have an R32 RB20det and all of my injectors are clogged. I want to upgrade to aftermarket.

What are everybody's favorite brands and sizes? I am looking to get 320-400 horsepower out of it eventually. What size (cc) would be best for this?

Are Nissan injectors all compatible with each other (KA to SR to RB)?

Also, if anybody has some for sale in Socal, I will buy them. I need them by friday, if possible.

Thanks!

[LB.Motoring]

rock some rb25 injectors, you can rock 320+~ hp..

or you can go big balla, and upgrade to some 550's? if your gonna drive the car often daily/track...

or if your gonna track only... run up to some 750+~ crazy asses

good luck.

R

[cmcdougle]

how big are the RB25 injectors? I am looking for about 340 hp eventually, pushing it.

[azndummie]

id say 550's but since u are probably on a budget go for rb25 injectors.

[eh?]

RB25's are side feed, RB20's are top feed. Not worth it to change fuel rail for just 100cc more. send them out to be cleaned and flow tested.

[cmcdougle]

doesn't the fuel rail form to the injectors instead of the injectors being changed for the fuel rail? Won't they fit right in?

[MELLO*SOS]

Originally Posted by eh?

RB25's are side feed, RB20's are top feed. Not worth it to change fuel rail for just 100cc more. send them out to be cleaned and flow tested.

Listen to the man.

It doesn't sound like you've done nearly enough research on this important upgrade so I'll share some details with you that should help you make a more informed choice. Yeah if you can't tell I'm in the same boat as you.

RB20 = 270s Top feed high imp
RB25 = 370s side feed (w/e the exact #s are, they don't work)
RB26 = 444s Top feed low imp
KA24 = 270s side feed (w/e the exact #s are, they don't work)
SR20 = 370s side feed (w/e the exact #s are, they don't work)



You can see in that image ^^ the 2nd injector from the left in the top row is pretty similar to the top feed RB20 oem injectors. Top row #4 and bottom row #2 are side feed style, and as you can see there is no way you're going to make them work with your stock rail (top feed=fuel comes in from the top, side feed = comes in from the side). Disregard anyone who tells you to run the RB25s because they don't know what they're talking about (no offense LB). You'd have to swap the fuel rail from the RB25 which isn't worth it, considering your stock rail is fine with the right type of injectors.

To determine injector sizing for your power goal, you SHOULD KNOW by now how to do this math. If not, just know that on a 6 cyl gasoline motor you can achieve roughly 1bhp (@ crank) per CC of injector flow at 100% duty cycle. Running injectors at 100% of it's rated value will bring you problems in no time, so most places will advise you only run 80% to 85% max duty cycle. With this in mind:

270cc @ 80% = ~215 crank horsepower. ~190 wheel hp (@ 15% loss)
440cc @ 80% = ~350 crank horsepower. ~300 wheel hp (@ 15% loss)
550cc @ 80% = ~440 crank horsepower. ~374 wheel hp (@ 15% loss)
720cc @ 80% = ~575 crank horsepower. ~500 wheel hp (@ 15% loss)

Sure you'll see guys brag about hitting 300hp + at the wheels on their RB20 with stock injectors, but by using this new math you can see they're idiots and running their motor on borrowed time.

1) RB26's come with top feed 444cc's stock, but they have the wrong resistance, so you'll need to run a resistor pack if you go that way (to bring up the resistance to RB20 specs). This requires splicing some resistors into your injector harness, which is probably not something you want to do (considering you could just buy drop-in replacements with the same flow rating). They're still stock and most likely gunked up, they should be sent for rebuild

2) You can use some FC RX7 injectors, as they come with top feed 550s stock. IIRC they are even the right impedance, but you'll have to do your own research on the correct years you can rob from (and whether or not you'll need a resistor pack). The FC guys are constantly upgrading to much larger injectors so you can probably pick these up on the cheap... They're still stock and most likely gunked up, they should be sent for rebuild

3) Deatschwerks.com is a Zilvia sponsor and offers rebuilding services, where they ultrasonically clean your injectors and install new O-Rings and pintle caps then flow test the injectors. This service is like $15 to $20 each, depending on where you go and what you have done... $120 to $150 for the full set isn't bad.

4) Deatschwerks.com also offers brand new drop-in injectors in 400cc ~ 800cc range for about $300 to $350 for the set. For your power goals I'd suggest the 550s to be on the safe side and to allow for future upgrades. Plus they'll be easy to resell if you're unfortunate enough to grenade the motor in the future!

GL and please do your homework before you order or change anything! You SHOULD know that if you choose to run anything larger than 270s you are going to need a PowerFC or a custom rom tune or at very least an SAFC to fix the rich conditition you're gonna have otherwise. SAFC is the poor man's way out and I'd advise against it. Waiting for the day we have USB style injectors that tell the ECU what their flow rates are.. hehe

If anyone has corrections or additions please post them, there isn't enough injector info on Zilvia...

[cmcdougle]

Thanks for the info. I found a calculator on RC engineering that tells you the size for the amount of horsepower you want, and I bought 550 cc Deatschwerks today.

Basically I found out last night that my injectors were clogged off of my new swap, so I rushed to buy new ones because the owner of the unit where my car is wanted it out a week ago. They come tomorrow. . . then RB!!

[MELLO*SOS]

That's great but what ECU are you going to use? Those aren't going to work with your stocker you're going to run rich as hell (if it all). GL dude

[infinitexsound]

im assuming that u wanna install some top feed hi impedance denso style injectors...i have 4 denso top feed 550's,

but back to the basics... cleaning a injector is roughly 20 bucks a piece...

you should try summitracing.. and search for injectors... just be sure to note that ur lookin for denso style... not bosch...

i found a 8pc 1500cc bosch style injectors going for 400 bucks... and thats a steal...

[DeatschWerks]

Mello, thanks for the plug. We also offer free shipping for all Zilvia members... plus we are sponsors =)

Feel free to give us a call if you have any further questions or would lke to place an order.

[CKAMC]

What ecu are you using? stock?

You need to upgrade someway/how to see the benifit of the new injectors (weather it be pfc, rom tune, piggyback, or stand-alone)