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CylonFrakker · 02-20-2007, 06:26 PM

Ok guys so I have decided to get my wheels widened.

Yeah you heard me right getting my 9.5's widened to 11.5 so i can fill up the wheel wells on the rear of my sc300 and 8.5s to to 9.5 to the front. What do you guys suggest? Its abotu 150 a wheel and its going. Its cheaper than buying a new set of wheels and i really like these beater wheels and they don't make them any bigger.

markyboi · 02-20-2007, 06:51 PM

why?

y dont you just sell what you have, and use that money + 150 a wheel...and you'll probably get a really nice set of wheels

Matej · 02-20-2007, 06:55 PM

Wheels can be widened? That's awesome!

***FaLKoN240*** · 02-20-2007, 06:56 PM

How are you widening the wheels? Are they multi piece? Where are you getting the barrels from, if so?

sw20>>s14 · 02-20-2007, 07:00 PM

if multi pc, im assuming just rebarreling them from kodiak or something...but VW/euro guys widen steelies and there have been a few GTO owners able to source a shop that widened one pc cast wheels to high precision and accuracy...meaning that they balanced fine and retained structural integrity...but i've never heard of $150 per wheel for the process...its usually more...

just dont get stiffed man, wheels are no joke...and if youre adamant on widening your existing ones, make sure theyre are a reputable shop to do so...dont end up getting shafted $600 and dying over it...

Matej · 02-20-2007, 07:12 PM

Do they widen them by adding onto the lip?

sidewayz240 · 02-20-2007, 07:33 PM

^ no, somewhere in the middle of the wheel, either infront (if possible) or behind the face of the wheel

A Spec Products · 02-20-2007, 07:37 PM

You should get two steelies and make a 11" wide wheel.

Cut in half and weld together, VW style.

Those guys are the GANGSTERS when it comes to stretched and being safe unsafe.

Stupid flush euro style, bad ass.

Taniguchi_Is_#1 · 02-20-2007, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matej

Do they widen them by adding onto the lip?

if it's a 3pc wheel, that is one way.

Jefferson · 02-20-2007, 07:47 PM

You mention they are beater wheels, why would you spend money on them?
Isn't the point of beater wheels to be cheap as possible and not give a crap about them?
But either way I would personally just save up for a set of nice wheels and keep beater wheels as back up IF you track the SC and need to switch wheels often

CylonFrakker · 02-20-2007, 08:12 PM

With the kind of power that I plan on putting down I need to run some 315s on the street. Wheels can be widened and any set can be widened for the deep dish look and so forth. Check out http://www.weldcraftwheels.com/Wide.htm they are reall good at what they do. I met a guy who had his done on his supra because Enkei does not make the RPO1 in a wider than 9.5 and he wanted 12". You can widen any wheel. Yes they are beater wheels and that is why I am willing to try this out. But my beater wheels also look nice and I need width. 275s don't offer enough traction. I spin 1-4th gear with 616 at the tire. So time for more width I already have a set of CCWs on the way for the nice looking wheels. I just want my cheap MB Motorsport Drifters in a wider fitment that 9.5"

Widen the wheels its cool!

redsuns3838 · 02-20-2007, 08:26 PM

wow...nice site...but i dunno looks kinda ghetto..

anyone know a site that rebarells 3 piece wheels?

wootwoot · 02-20-2007, 08:32 PM

usually when they "widen wheels" it goes the wrong direction making your offset higher. That is cutting apart mono block wheels and doing it that way, not switching stuff with multi piece wheels. How about quit ruining a Lexus? That shits to ghetto for a supposive luxury car. Do it right or dont do it. I can see it working but to do it right would be silly....

Team Rootbeer · 02-20-2007, 08:36 PM

yeah, site looks ghetto superstar
kodiak rebarrels...google or something

do these weldcraft clowns add the the pad of the wheel to change/even out the offset? if not, put into consideration you could end up rubbing on the inside after having them widened. especially with aneurysm spec 315s.

edit: wootwoot beat me to it. also agree with stop ruining the car.

redsuns3838 · 02-20-2007, 08:40 PM

kodiak motorsports? Thanks! I checked out their site and didnt see anything about re-barelling so ill give them a call tomorrow.

mizizax · 02-20-2007, 08:43 PM

i like how that page has pics of flush wheels, and has nothing to do with widening it their way.

use a spacer or buy new wheels

CylonFrakker · 02-20-2007, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Team Rootbeer

yeah, site looks ghetto superstar
kodiak rebarrels...google or something

do these weldcraft clowns add the the pad of the wheel to change/even out the offset? if not, put into consideration you could end up rubbing on the inside after having them widened. especially with aneurysm spec 315s.

edit: wootwoot beat me to it. also agree with stop ruining the car.

You chumps do realize that most cars that are extremely luxurious have wide wheels. The lexus different designe in the wheel wells none of that super low offset specs needed to fill the fender. a 9.5" +25 sticks out about 1/2 inch on the fender. With a 275 Rubber I ahve 5 inches before I rub on the coilover. So that means if I feel like it i can run a 14" wide wheel. But that is stupid wide. I like wide tires stretching is boring and on a big car like the lexus it looks anemic. So its not ruining the car i am taking advantage of the amount of room that I have. I just asked if anybody had ever considered widening their wheels. Remember the wider the better especially when you make Enzo like power.

markyboi · 02-20-2007, 10:38 PM

are you making enzo power?

your spinning tires in 4th gear on 275? just curious, how much power are you putting down now? and what kind of tires are you using?

chibo · 02-20-2007, 11:29 PM

Sorry, but if you're having traction issues in 4th (which I can't see with only 600whp) why don't you move to drag radials in the rear? That's the correct thing to do in this case... not just tack on wider rubber.

CylonFrakker · 02-20-2007, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chibo

Sorry, but if you're having traction issues in 4th (which I can't see with only 600whp) why don't you move to drag radials in the rear? That's the correct thing to do in this case... not just tack on wider rubber.

616 at 16 psi and a little bit over 900 at 30 psi limited by cams and turbo running out of breath (T88H).

Drag radials don't offer much in wet weather when it comes to traction or safety. I daily drive the bloody car. Do remember I like having my power available on tap when i want it but I also like to be able to control. Remember that old commercial for the Pontiac GTP "Wider is Better" LOL thats how i fell right now. Plus traction is not an issue at the track with DR but traction is sure an issue on the street. I really like the Goodyear Eagle GS SuperCar by far the best tire but only come in super wide sizes. Hence Why I want to widen my wheels.

liv2drift045 · 02-20-2007, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markyboi

are you making enzo power?

your spinning tires in 4th gear on 275? just curious, how much power are you putting down now?

"I spin 1-4th gear with 616 at the tire. So time for more width I already have a set of CCWs on the way for the nice looking wheels. I just want my cheap MB Motorsport Drifters in a wider fitment that 9.5"

CylonFrakker · 02-21-2007, 12:32 AM

any of you ever actually driven a car with more than 350HP? Let alone a peaky turbo like a T88H on 2JZ

s13gold · 02-21-2007, 12:36 AM

post some pix when they are done..

CylonFrakker · 02-21-2007, 12:51 AM

^^^ Will do! Send them off next week!

redsuns3838 · 02-21-2007, 12:57 AM

I dont really get this...you come in here, tell everyone your getting your wheels widened, and asking suggestions. a few ppl say it looks ghetto. a few ppl question why you need wider wheels or are having traction issues (since a lot of kids come in rocking 11 inch wide wheels and put down oh say.......120whp on a stock KA) its a legitimate question to ask. But honestly, What wheels are you running exactly? If I spent all that $ to make my car 600whp and if i daily drove it, Id probably want to rock some sick ass works that are wide as hell. Or if its for the track, get some volks or something that does lots of custom sizes.

But you already made up your mind (see your first post) so, why is this thread even here? Just do it, and make new thread titled "I got my wheels widened" with pics showing the welds and stuff so we can see first hand what it looks like. =)
Im just of the opinion that there arent many wheels worth widening, and If i had $ to build a 600 whp car, id rather just sell my current wheels and spend extra on some work 12 inch wide S1 or something.

CylonFrakker · 02-21-2007, 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redsuns3838

I dont really get this...you come in here, tell everyone your getting your wheels widened, and asking suggestions. a few ppl say it looks ghetto. a few ppl question why you need wider wheels or are having traction issues (since a lot of kids come in rocking 11 inch wide wheels and put down oh say.......120whp on a stock KA) its a legitimate question to ask. But honestly, What wheels are you running exactly? If I spent all that $ to make my car 600whp and if i daily drove it, Id probably want to rock some sick ass works that are wide as hell. Or if its for the track, get some volks or something that does lots of custom sizes.

But you already made up your mind (see your first post) so, why is this thread even here? Just do it, and make new thread titled "I got my wheels widened" with pics showing the welds and stuff so we can see first hand what it looks like. =)
Im just of the opinion that there arent many wheels worth widening, and If i had $ to build a 600 whp car, id rather just sell my current wheels and spend extra on some work 12 inch wide S1 or something.

The wheels that I am getting widened are cheap cast alloys. Have you ever driven in nashville? The roads in and around the city will eat your rims up. I keep a nice set of wheels for shows and events where the car will need to look its best. I have a set of stock TT wheels for autocross and road race events. I run CCW drags for the Drag Strip. The cheap wheels will be mainly for daily driving (Snow, Rain, Potholes and Curb rash). For once a non common thread and people get their panties in a dry knot. Plus if you spent all the money to make your car 600whp you would be damn near broke. Fine go get a set of work 12" Wide S1 or something else and spend 4gs. My wheels cost me 800 bucks new over a year ago. They are not made any wider thatn 9.5" and i want to keep them. I really like them and have not seen any other car with them.

superium · 02-21-2007, 01:13 AM

Why would you bother widening the fronts if you are having traction problems? Even so why wouldnt you just put the rears in the front and just get the fronts widened from 8.5-11.5" and put them on the rear? If they are your drifting wheels why do you care so much about getting traction anyways? Sounds to me you really didnt think things thru and maybe you should just get stickier and slightly wider tires (295s for 9.5 rears) and maybe upgrade the suspension.

!Zar! · 02-21-2007, 01:22 AM

Check around on the Volkswagen boards. They do stuff like that a little more
often on the old gti's and what not...

CylonFrakker · 02-21-2007, 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by superium

Why would you bother widening the fronts if you are having traction problems? Even so why wouldnt you just put the rears in the front and just get the fronts widened from 8.5-11.5" and put them on the rear? If they are your drifting wheels why do you care so much about getting traction anyways? Sounds to me you really didnt think things thru and maybe you should just get stickier and slightly wider tires (295s for 9.5 rears) and maybe upgrade the suspension.

Suspension is done. Offset brake clearance that is why the rears don't just move to the front. If a take the 8.5+38 and move it to the rear and widen it to 11.5 the wheel will sit closer to the suspension and will be sunken in. So i do think things through you dolt! That is why the rears get widened they at +25 and are flush with the body on the outside. Secondly I want to do the front to maintain the balanced handling that I have with a simple 1" staggered setting that I have. That will give me a neutral handling car so when it does misbehave its predictable. Who said anything about drifting?

Look at the picture they fit nicely don't they wide upfront as they are in the rear. Would you beat on a set of rims that cost as much (probably more) as your 240?

Finally fitment with width and flushness. So i can do it right.

I like my beater wheels and want them to be just as wide. Plus if you actually track a car and its wheel and tire combo are drastically different from the street to the track there is always a learning curve when transitioning from each form of usage. So did you think it through?

redsuns3838 · 02-21-2007, 01:31 AM

haha talk about getting your panties in a bunch. Im just saying, your complaining and showing off because a few ppl dont think ur idea is smart. but YOU ASKED for suggestions. If I came across as an asshole Im sorry, but I was just giving you a suggestion.

Oh and I havent driven in Nashville. I live in socal, and our roads rank 49th in the country. so you dont need to tell me about roads eating wheels....... =) I guess I just dont consider daily driving "beating" on wheels. I just drive slow and watch the road for potholes, tree roots, steel plates, etc.

anyways, we will be waiting for pics.

02-20-2007, 06:56 PM	#4
*FaLKoN240* Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: SoCal Temecula Posts: 16,893 Trader Rating: (73) Feedback Score: 73 reviews	How are you widening the wheels? Are they multi piece? Where are you getting the barrels from, if so? __________________ Best way to do business with me? Make your best offer FIRST.

02-20-2007, 07:00 PM	#5
sw20>>s14 Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: bay area Posts: 5,656 Trader Rating: (19) Feedback Score: 19 reviews	if multi pc, im assuming just rebarreling them from kodiak or something...but VW/euro guys widen steelies and there have been a few GTO owners able to source a shop that widened one pc cast wheels to high precision and accuracy...meaning that they balanced fine and retained structural integrity...but i've never heard of $150 per wheel for the process...its usually more... just dont get stiffed man, wheels are no joke...and if youre adamant on widening your existing ones, make sure theyre are a reputable shop to do so...dont end up getting shafted $600 and dying over it... __________________ s14\| y34\| 911 gts\| exige s\| 600rr\| r3\| 250r\| 85 girlfriend

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02-20-2007, 08:12 PM	#11
CylonFrakker Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Nashville TN Age: 43 Posts: 899 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	With the kind of power that I plan on putting down I need to run some 315s on the street. Wheels can be widened and any set can be widened for the deep dish look and so forth. Check out http://www.weldcraftwheels.com/Wide.htm they are reall good at what they do. I met a guy who had his done on his supra because Enkei does not make the RPO1 in a wider than 9.5 and he wanted 12". You can widen any wheel. Yes they are beater wheels and that is why I am willing to try this out. But my beater wheels also look nice and I need width. 275s don't offer enough traction. I spin 1-4th gear with 616 at the tire. So time for more width I already have a set of CCWs on the way for the nice looking wheels. I just want my cheap MB Motorsport Drifters in a wider fitment that 9.5" Widen the wheels its cool! __________________ UGR.....SOMETHING WICKED THIS WAY COMES....

02-20-2007, 06:26 PM	#1
CylonFrakker Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Nashville TN Age: 43 Posts: 899 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Widening a set of wheels. Ok guys so I have decided to get my wheels widened. Yeah you heard me right getting my 9.5's widened to 11.5 so i can fill up the wheel wells on the rear of my sc300 and 8.5s to to 9.5 to the front. What do you guys suggest? Its abotu 150 a wheel and its going. Its cheaper than buying a new set of wheels and i really like these beater wheels and they don't make them any bigger. __________________ UGR.....SOMETHING WICKED THIS WAY COMES....

02-20-2007, 06:51 PM	#2
markyboi Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: california Posts: 1,105 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	why? y dont you just sell what you have, and use that money + 150 a wheel...and you'll probably get a really nice set of wheels

02-20-2007, 06:55 PM	#3
Matej Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 9,423 Trader Rating: (39) Feedback Score: 39 reviews	Wheels can be widened? That's awesome!

02-20-2007, 07:12 PM	#6
Matej Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 9,423 Trader Rating: (39) Feedback Score: 39 reviews	Do they widen them by adding onto the lip?

02-20-2007, 07:47 PM	#10
Jefferson Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 394 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You mention they are beater wheels, why would you spend money on them? Isn't the point of beater wheels to be cheap as possible and not give a crap about them? But either way I would personally just save up for a set of nice wheels and keep beater wheels as back up IF you track the SC and need to switch wheels often

02-20-2007, 08:26 PM	#12
redsuns3838 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: dog town Posts: 969 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	wow...nice site...but i dunno looks kinda ghetto.. anyone know a site that rebarells 3 piece wheels?

02-20-2007, 08:32 PM	#13
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 39 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	usually when they "widen wheels" it goes the wrong direction making your offset higher. That is cutting apart mono block wheels and doing it that way, not switching stuff with multi piece wheels. How about quit ruining a Lexus? That shits to ghetto for a supposive luxury car. Do it right or dont do it. I can see it working but to do it right would be silly.... __________________ I'm from Florida so I'm probably a bit more strange than you

02-20-2007, 08:40 PM	#15
redsuns3838 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: dog town Posts: 969 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	kodiak motorsports? Thanks! I checked out their site and didnt see anything about re-barelling so ill give them a call tomorrow.

02-20-2007, 08:43 PM	#16
mizizax Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: San Diego Posts: 249 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	i like how that page has pics of flush wheels, and has nothing to do with widening it their way. use a spacer or buy new wheels

02-20-2007, 10:38 PM	#18
markyboi Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: california Posts: 1,105 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	are you making enzo power? your spinning tires in 4th gear on 275? just curious, how much power are you putting down now? and what kind of tires are you using?

02-20-2007, 11:29 PM	#19
chibo Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Tempe and Scottsdale, Arizona Age: 37 Posts: 1,425 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Sorry, but if you're having traction issues in 4th (which I can't see with only 600whp) why don't you move to drag radials in the rear? That's the correct thing to do in this case... not just tack on wider rubber. __________________ 1989 S13 \| 1996 S14 \| 2001 E46 \| 2009 ZX6R

02-21-2007, 12:32 AM	#22
CylonFrakker Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Nashville TN Age: 43 Posts: 899 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	any of you ever actually driven a car with more than 350HP? Let alone a peaky turbo like a T88H on 2JZ __________________ UGR.....SOMETHING WICKED THIS WAY COMES....

02-21-2007, 12:36 AM	#23
s13gold Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: CARSON Posts: 4,240 Trader Rating: (79) Feedback Score: 79 reviews	post some pix when they are done..

02-21-2007, 12:51 AM	#24
CylonFrakker Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Nashville TN Age: 43 Posts: 899 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	^^^ Will do! Send them off next week! __________________ UGR.....SOMETHING WICKED THIS WAY COMES....

02-21-2007, 12:57 AM	#25
redsuns3838 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: dog town Posts: 969 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I dont really get this...you come in here, tell everyone your getting your wheels widened, and asking suggestions. a few ppl say it looks ghetto. a few ppl question why you need wider wheels or are having traction issues (since a lot of kids come in rocking 11 inch wide wheels and put down oh say.......120whp on a stock KA) its a legitimate question to ask. But honestly, What wheels are you running exactly? If I spent all that $ to make my car 600whp and if i daily drove it, Id probably want to rock some sick ass works that are wide as hell. Or if its for the track, get some volks or something that does lots of custom sizes. But you already made up your mind (see your first post) so, why is this thread even here? Just do it, and make new thread titled "I got my wheels widened" with pics showing the welds and stuff so we can see first hand what it looks like. =) Im just of the opinion that there arent many wheels worth widening, and If i had $ to build a 600 whp car, id rather just sell my current wheels and spend extra on some work 12 inch wide S1 or something.

02-21-2007, 01:13 AM	#27
superium Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Buffalo, NY Age: 41 Posts: 29 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Why would you bother widening the fronts if you are having traction problems? Even so why wouldnt you just put the rears in the front and just get the fronts widened from 8.5-11.5" and put them on the rear? If they are your drifting wheels why do you care so much about getting traction anyways? Sounds to me you really didnt think things thru and maybe you should just get stickier and slightly wider tires (295s for 9.5 rears) and maybe upgrade the suspension.

02-21-2007, 01:22 AM	#28
!Zar! Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,579 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	Check around on the Volkswagen boards. They do stuff like that a little more often on the old gti's and what not... __________________

02-21-2007, 01:31 AM	#30
redsuns3838 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: dog town Posts: 969 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	haha talk about getting your panties in a bunch. Im just saying, your complaining and showing off because a few ppl dont think ur idea is smart. but YOU ASKED for suggestions. If I came across as an asshole Im sorry, but I was just giving you a suggestion. Oh and I havent driven in Nashville. I live in socal, and our roads rank 49th in the country. so you dont need to tell me about roads eating wheels....... =) I guess I just dont consider daily driving "beating" on wheels. I just drive slow and watch the road for potholes, tree roots, steel plates, etc. anyways, we will be waiting for pics.