dispute about s14 vs s15 turbo please help

[khoadogg]

I advertise a S15 bb turbo and needs rebuild and buyer buys it.

Turns out it's a S15 bb A/T turbo which is the same as a S14 bb turbo.

I told him it's not a specR turbo before he gets it which is fine by him.

He doesn't like it, now wants a refund because a S15 a/t is not a tru s15 specR turbo. What do you guys think?

Sold it for $150

Now I told him to find me articles and good evidence it's not a s15 turbo and i'll refund it no prob. otherwise, sell it for more, i sold it for cheap because i want to run a STOCK ecu w/o tuning.

[Dousan_PG]

FUCK YOU
is what i would say
a s15 turbo is stil a s15 turbo even if it is the same as s14, it was off of an s15 motor which was stock on a s15 engine and therefore, an s15 turbo, not s14

so eat a dick.

[pr0ject TRUENO]

S15 AT/MT same shit, doesn't matter.

[koukie180]

it is not same turbo. s15 MT is 14411-91F00 and s15 AT is 14411-69F00

Originally Posted by pr0ject TRUENO

S15 AT/MT same shit, doesn't matter.

[pr0ject TRUENO]

BTW go ahead, refund his money. I'll buy it. That's a good price.

[arkive43]

fuk yea 150.00 and hes complaining. i'd slap a dumass.

[brainfood]

hrmm I though bb center sections couldnt be rebuilt?

[LB.Motoring]

Serious

Khoa,

tell him to eat dick.

he sounds like a kiddy anyways complaining and shit.

[Dousan_PG]

they cant be rebuilt
thats prbably why he wants his money back, no one can do it.
haha

[irax]

did you list the sale as all sales are final? i wouldnt fully refund his money because its not like your a business and it was well discribed before he recieved the part. Its a s15 BB turbo that came off a S15 sr20 that came out of a S15... it's not like you lied to him. honestly fuck it, give him part of his money back and im sure anyone here would buy it for 200 easily... shit for 200 shipped to sd ill buy it and put it on a fucking cressida and not even fully hook it up because i want the turbo sound LOL!

yeah the ball bearing center cartidge can't be rebuilt but easily replaced

[koukie180]

he doesn't even know if it came from s15, for all i know it could've came from s14. look at my pics. do you still want to buy that for 200? and you're right you can only change the center cartidge, but not rebuild.

Originally Posted by irax

did you list the sale as all sales are final? i wouldnt fully refund his money because its not like your a business and it was well discribed before he recieved the part. Its a s15 BB turbo that came off a S15 sr20 that came out of a S15... it's not like you lied to him. honestly fuck it, give him part of his money back and im sure anyone here would buy it for 200 easily... shit for 200 shipped to sd ill buy it and put it on a fucking cressida and not even fully hook it up because i want the turbo sound LOL!

yeah the ball bearing center cartidge can't be rebuilt but easily replaced

[Wei240]

??? you said you told him before it's NOT a spec r, he's fine with it, and then when he got it, he wants his money back because it's not spec r???

if he says it is lameness, go ahead and kick him down a well...

[ronmcdon]

Buyer should have done his homework before hand, but then again some of these subleties are difficult to anticipate. prior to this, i would have thought all S15 turbos were the same.

I dont think you the seller did anything wrong, and i dont think you would be in the wrong to refuse giving the buyer his money back. However, it would be nice if you did. If it were me, I would give the buyer his money back out of courtesy (but not out of obligation, as there really is none imo).

OT just curious, how much does it cost to rebuild that S14 turbo?

[khoadogg]

thanks for all the support y'all, zilvia's humor cracks me up. hahah. if i refund it back, i'd have to post that he's a bad buyer but he can easily resell it. you can't rebuild it but you can replace the center which is rebuilding the turbo as a whole. i just didn't like the idea of him demanding his money because it's not what i advertised. check my threads, i'm always a good seller and lowballin' buyer, hahah.

He should just repost it and sell it because if i refund it, i'll be stuck selling, shipping and the hassle isn't worth it for me. I have homework to do!!!!

[Wei240]

isn't the cost of rebuilding a bb turbo the same as just buying a new one, since it's pretty much replacing the entire cartridge assembly?

[Wei240]

blah, beat me to the punch

[wootwoot]

Thats an expensive ass paper weight tell that much. a CHRA costs the near the price of a new turbo if you can even find one

[khoadogg]

There's a site that sells them for $300 maybe less. The best thing is that it'll be a brand new turbo.

[DJ_Sunrise]

whats the website? yea, the s15 had two different turbos.. the SPEC R has inconel blades, so they are a bit more durable.. and a little itty bitty shroud seperating the exhaust blades from the wastegate..nothing to bitch about IMO, 150 is a great price...

-Bart

[Flybert]

Yeah, that's bullshit. Keep your money.

[CKAMC]

have the guy read this thread

[koukie180]

ok i am the buyer of this turbo and also a seller on zilvia. i have a sold quite a few stuff and have had good feedback. i bought this turbo already knowing its not spec R, don't care if its spec R or not, and planning to just replace the center cartridge. now i got the part number 14411-69F00 from the CHRA on the turbo and if you know your stuff, you know that 69F00 is s14 part number. i bet that the seller (name is khoa) can't even guarantee me that this turbo actually came off of a s15 motor. irregardless, the turbo itself is still s14 turbo, not a s15 turbo which has part number such as 75F or 85F. even if the turbo is on a different car, it is still an s14 turbo.

i am not trying to create nething wit this seller, but i believe i was wronged. i know it may not be the sellers fault for not knowing, but i did my research and know my hw. i will take pics and even a video and show you guys wut kind of a turbo he had sold me.

i have also went to FRSport to reconfirm, and as you know FRSport is a big vendor on zilvia, and these ppl definitely know a lot. they even told me that the part number is an s14 turbo.

btw he didn't even mention broken turbine wheel, bent shaft, messed up center cartridge, blown main seal. it leaks oil and the turbine wheel hits the wall when rotated. shouldn't the seller be as honest as he can be? all i got from him was "yea, it may need a rebuild cuz i like everything stock and new on my car". so ill let you guys be the judge.

now for those who don't know nething, don't even try to flame me. if u were in my shoes u wouldn't even be saying nething.

** theres the CHRA **



** notice the turbine wheel. i already knew it needed a rebuild, but this is beyond a rebuild or replacement for that matter **



** notice the spacing from the wall of the wheel on top and bottom, the top spacing is so close to the wall, that it grinds against it and i can hear it **



** heres a video for ppl who can't imagine it **
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...oid=2018093935

thas the turbine wheel with shaft, turbine cover plate, and center cartridge looking at turbine side.


turbine wheel all chewed up, i thot it was bad jus looking at from the outside, but the inside is even worse.


whatever went through the turbo ate the groove of the main seals and destroyed it.


thas the turbine cover plate, with plenty of grinded sh*t and dirty oil


center cartridge, check out the journal inside that holds the ball bearings, bunch of little balls fell out when it took out the shaft.


side shot


wow, check out that turbine housing, you think u can reuse that after its been grinded down?

[brokeAs240sx]

Originally Posted by khoadogg

Turns out it's a S15 bb A/T turbo which is the same as a S14 bb turbo.
...
Now I told him to find me articles and good evidence it's not a s15 turbo and i'll refund it no prob. otherwise, sell it for more, i sold it for cheap because i want to run a STOCK ecu w/o tuning.

Well, is there good evidence that it's the S15 bb a/t turbo rather than an s14 turbo? Not that it should make much of a difference, but still seems to me the same as you making him prove it's not an s15 turbo...

I guess if I were selling it, I wouldn't have advertised as "needing rebuild" if I knew they couldn't be rebuilt... but rather that it needed a new center cartridge and turbine wheel (looking @ the pic above, the wheel looks pretty bad).

You advertised as needs rebuild, and it can't be rebuilt (and it seems you know it can't be rebuilt), so I see some justification in the claim.

And when I was getting quotes from local shops that rebuild turbos, replacing the turbine wheel was not mentioned as part of a rebuild. Not sure if you described to him the exact condition of the turbo and shaft play/etc.

Just my 2 cents, I guess. Hope you guys work this out.

[delinquentracer]

mistake on post, read below.

[delinquentracer]

If the turbo is BB, no one will touch it to "rebuild" it. You need to buy a new center section. The turbine wheel is trashed, and if either of the wheels have touched down a lot, then it may even need new housings. Which would mean, time for a whole new turbo.
Looks like something went through the turbo. I.e. engine parts. Something flew around in there and ate up that wheel. Thats usually what they look like when that happens.
That turbo is beyond "rebuild." Only because of the fact that if its BB. If it is Standard bearing then its possible that it could be rebuild, with new wheels and internal parts, as long as the bearing housing is in spec.
Ive bought stuff from khoa before, met him. Hes a cool guy, although maybe a little misinformed on that turbo. Its in a lot more need of just a rebuild. (if its BB.)

[koukie180]

yea he is a koo guy, ive talked to him many times on aim. but all throughout those times, he never even mentioned how bad it was. i just want to work this out within manners. btw i believe it is BB from what i can tell. If number of bolts holding the center cartridge to turbine is 4, then it is "brush" type, if it is 6 then "ballbearing" type. the turbo has 6 bolts. i can't guarantee how accurante that information is tho, cuz i got it from another forum.

[khoadogg]

Rrebuilding the bb turbo means replacing the center cartridge how else can you rebuild BB? The buyer knew it could use a rebuild. He was anxious because he thought it was a specR so that's why he jumped on it but i told him it wasn't. If it was a spec R and there was the clip in the turbine wheel, it'd be gravy and no complaint. The housing does NOT need to be fixed, geez c'mon guys.

I'm just saying that I sold a legit item, the part number PROVES my post was legit and the condition of it was reflected in the price. I am no way obligated to refund the money and doing so would be accepting his claims. If I do decided to send back any part of the money, it would be out of courtesy which would have to be acknowledged.

I just want the forum members to help with a decision here, I don't have any intentions to scam anyone because sooner or later, we'll all meet somewhere, hah. The buyer can either repost it for sale, send it back for me to sell and I'll refund the money, or just send it back with a partial refund.

thanks y'all!!! when are the drift events coming up to the bay!??!?

delinquentracer:::: how have you been man!? any pics of those wheels?!?! how's the gf treatin' ya?

[irax]

Originally Posted by khoadogg

The buyer knew it could use a rebuild.

no no no no.... there is a BIG difference between COULD USE a rebuild and ABSOLUTELY NEEDS a rebuild. YOU CLEARLY used the wrong words. Because that turbo ABSOULTELY NEEDS a rebuild. If I saw those picture I would of backed out of the sale.

'could use a rebuild' implies that the overal condition of the internals of the part is unknown but the visibily there isn't anything decernable. May leak oil internaly, but has all fins there.

'ablsolutely needs a rebuild' implies that condition of the internals is known to be faulty or bad IE chunks mission out of the fins, leaks oil externaly

[lmananT]

Originally Posted by irax

no no no no.... there is a BIG difference between COULD USE a rebuild and ABSOLUTELY NEEDS a rebuild. YOU CLEARLY used the wrong words. Because that turbo ABSOULTELY NEEDS a rebuild. If I saw those picture I would of backed out of the sale.

'could use a rebuild' implies that the overal condition of the internals of the part is unknown but the visibily there isn't anything decernable. May leak oil internaly, but has all fins there.

'ablsolutely needs a rebuild' implies that condition of the internals is known to be faulty or bad IE chunks mission out of the fins, leaks oil externaly

you guys should see it in person...it looks worst!

yea man just refund it doode...you'd want a refund if this happened to you...

[koukie180]

hehe khoa, you didn't even know you can't rebuild BB until i told you. you're like "oh really? i didn't know that" and this turbo is more than just a replacement cartridge, thas also a wheel replacement, maybe another turbine housing. beyond rebuild/replacement. basically new turbo like delinquentracer said.

the PART NUMBER does not prove that your turbo actually came off a s15 now does it. it can also mean s14.

i just talked to you on aim right now, our conversation goes:

d4ydr33m3r (6:52:19 PM): sup
d4ydr33m3r (6:52:34 PM): so i read the thread
SOARIN STRONG (6:54:24 PM): what do you think
d4ydr33m3r (6:54:22 PM): ur giving me a big headache man
d4ydr33m3r (6:54:25 PM): haha thas wut
d4ydr33m3r (6:54:35 PM): since u started the thread
d4ydr33m3r (6:54:38 PM): ima wait it out
d4ydr33m3r (6:54:41 PM): we'll see
SOARIN STRONG (6:54:44 PM): just send it back
SOARIN STRONG (6:54:49 PM): i'll refund your money
d4ydr33m3r (6:55:38 PM): ur serious right?
d4ydr33m3r (6:55:54 PM): i don't want to be going back and forth
SOARIN STRONG (6:56:05 PM): wait, let me read what you posted
d4ydr33m3r (6:56:14 PM): k
SOARIN STRONG (7:02:21 PM): let me post a few things and let it marinate
d4ydr33m3r (7:02:50 PM): wut do u mean by that

so your backing out of your decision just like that? com on man. keep your words.