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aqwkmf · 08-25-2002, 08:01 PM

well todays ride was in my friends new gti 337. wow. that car will lay a s2k to rest. turbo is amazing. also a 6 speed. 180 hp and about 170lb ft of torque at ~1700 rpm. it pulls hard. maybe ill go test one out tommorrow to get a drivers point of view <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/satisfied.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':satisfied:'>

Annoying Eric · 08-25-2002, 08:10 PM

damn man you want alot of things.......

And damn, you test drive mad cars........

Loren · 08-25-2002, 08:14 PM

isn't it FWD.... and how much does it cost?

tnord · 08-25-2002, 08:40 PM

a stock GTi will lay a S2k to rest??? are you serious?  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'>

Annoying Eric · 08-25-2002, 08:42 PM

Yeah doesn't the s2000 have 350 hp...

S13FREEAAK · 08-25-2002, 08:46 PM

I'm pretty sure that the s2000 dosen't have 350hp. I think its in the 200's. But Im not sure.

MorganS13 · 08-25-2002, 08:53 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Annoying Eric @ Aug. 24 2002,10:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yeah doesn't the s2000 have 350 hp...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
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Loren · 08-25-2002, 09:01 PM

oh yeah, Volkswagen's carry that "mystique" about them...

aqwkmf · 08-25-2002, 09:24 PM

s2000 240 hp ~150 lbs torque
gti 337 180hp 174 lbs torque

s2000 power band starts at 7000 rpm (vtec kicks in)
gti on the other hand powerband starts at 1700 rpms-5600rpm

i dont really want a gti. it just showed me how cool turbo really is. and besides i want alot of cars but after i test drive it i can stick to cars i really like (like the Z car). i mean i like the new tiburon...but i'd never buy one. i'd like to try it once though to see how it feels

EDIT: BTW the 337 gti is a limited edition modded off the ass VW (1500 in the us)

adey · 08-25-2002, 09:32 PM

The 337 has 180hp and similar amount of torque. With an ECU upgrade (~$550) you can have ~ 210hp and ~230tq at the flywheel. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'>
not to mention the car comes with 18" BBS rims from the factory! It feels a lot faster than the S2k because it's got so much f-ing torque, but an S2k should still win in most aspects. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

bing · 08-25-2002, 10:13 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Annoying Eric @ Aug. 24 2002,10:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yeah doesn't the s2000 have 350 hp...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
huh?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

HippoSleek · 08-26-2002, 07:06 AM

Ever try to turn a 250 whp fwd car?  No thanks.

Advantage s2k

tnord · 08-26-2002, 10:04 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HippoSleek @ Aug. 26 2002,08:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ever try to turn a 250 whp fwd car? No thanks.

Advantage s2k</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
ahhh.....touche'

Kreator · 08-26-2002, 10:51 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aqwkmf @ Aug. 25 2002,10:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">s2000 power band starts at 7000 rpm (vtec kicks in)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Ummm it doesn't kick in. It works at all rpms. It's a mechanism that operates on the cams/rocker arms... so there is no such thing as kicking in. Unless it's done from the moment you start up the car...

tnord · 08-26-2002, 11:40 AM

who cares where vtec "kicks in/engages" what have you.........the only thing that matters is the powerband between shift points. it makes no difference that ours is only good from 4-6, when s2k is good from 7-9. when you're on track, you're gonna be in this rev range the entire time. the only time top heavy power curves become an issue is with improper gearing..........ala Celica GTS.

uiuc240 · 08-26-2002, 11:42 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ummm it doesn't kick in. It works at all rpms. It's a mechanism that operates on the cams/rocker arms... so there is no such thing as kicking in. Unless it's done from the moment you start up the car... </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

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It switches to a different cam profile. That's what he means. What are you talking about?

Eric

240 2NR · 08-26-2002, 11:51 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ Aug. 26 2002,12:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the only time top heavy power curves become an issue is with improper gearing..........ala Celica GTS.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
and streetability.  A second gear pull off of a 30mph corner is pretty boring until you get into the happy zone of the rev range, by which time you're already going 45mph and ready to slow down.

SR20Fastback · 08-26-2002, 12:19 PM

The 337 is a very nice car. Probably the only GTi I would ever drive (if given one) <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

Kreator · 08-26-2002, 12:33 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uiuc240 @ Aug. 26 2002,12:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ummm it doesn't kick in. It works at all rpms. It's a mechanism that operates on the cams/rocker arms... so there is no such thing as kicking in. Unless it's done from the moment you start up the car... </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

It switches to a different cam profile. That's what he means. What are you talking about?

Eric</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hmmm yeah, now i see my post makes no sense. But yeah i meant what you said. I just don't like people who say "vtec kicked in".... cuz i don't see any connection between that fraze and what actually happens inside the vtec engine....

240 2NR · 08-26-2002, 12:38 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ Aug. 26 2002,1:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I just don't like people who say "vtec kicked in".... cuz i don't see any connection between that fraze and what actually happens inside the engine....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Well it's sort of right.  Below that rpm, the engine was operating on the low speed "economy cam."  Past the engagement point the cam has been switched over for higher lift and longer duration which is good for some serious top end power depending on the car.  The benefits of a truly wild top end cam without the lumpy idle and poor low speed behavior.

tnord · 08-26-2002, 04:24 PM

you're right, there aren't little tiny gnomes inside the head that give a good swift kick to the cam, but how else you wanna describe it in 4 words or less?

Kreator · 08-26-2002, 04:59 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ Aug. 26 2002,5:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">you're right, there aren't little tiny gnomes inside the head that give a good swift kick to the cam, but how else you wanna describe it in 4 words or less?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yeah i know, but then 90% people from whom i heard "vtec kicked in" don't even know what the abbreviation stands for <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> (i'm not implying anyone on this board. just some kids i know)

aqwkmf · 08-26-2002, 09:17 PM

how else can it be worded? let me see....well at 7000 rpms the cam changes and then we gotta shift mad quick.....i'd rather say kicks in. i know what i mean. u know what i mean. and i dont have to write a story about how a engine works.

bottom line. both cars a faster than my stock ka 240sx and i'd take either of them in a second. but if i was spending $30,000 on a car i better damn well be geting exatly what i want. and that would either be a supra or a s2k

SR20Fastback · 08-26-2002, 11:31 PM

I thought the VTEC cam profile engaged at 6000?? On an S2000 that is...

fodive · 08-26-2002, 11:54 PM

bah! double post, but the next one is spelt write <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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fodive · 08-26-2002, 11:54 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ Aug. 26 2002,5:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">you're right, there aren't little tiny gnomes inside the head that give a good swift kick to the cam, but how else you wanna describe it in 4 words or less?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
hahaha, gnomes are funny, like the underwear gnomes on south park....ill shut up now, its the last nite of summer...leave me alone! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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DrDubbleB · 08-27-2002, 12:08 AM

That episode kicked ass.

aqwkmf, ever thought of an FD RX-7 for half the price?  The maintainence can be a bitch on them if you don't take care of it (but I'd expect an enthusiast to take care of his car), but they look better, and outperform the S2k (as well as unmodded Supras).  Just throwing an idea out there.  If you don't like it, it leaves one more for me to get when I scrape together the cash! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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adey · 08-27-2002, 03:37 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aqwkmf @ Aug. 26 2002,8:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">[snip]
bottom line. both cars a faster than my stock ka 240sx and i'd take either of them in a second. but if i was spending $30,000 on a car i better damn well be geting exatly what i want. and that would either be a supra or a s2k</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Can you get an S2K for 30k or less? I was under the impression that it was closer to 40k.

[tongue-in-cheek] Why you would get a supra (vs FD3s, sexxxy S13/14/145 or a host of other better looking and more-fun-to-throw-around cars) is beyond me though. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'> I'm just impartial towards Supras. As far as I'm concerned, Supras are just fat (overweight), ugly (what it says) and clumsy (don't perform well outside of the dragstrip or freeway) cars. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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{flame suit --- ON}

tnord · 08-27-2002, 11:00 AM

i don't even see how the 240 is mentioned in the same group as the rest of those cars.

Kreator · 08-27-2002, 01:23 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (adey @ Aug. 27 2002,04:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aqwkmf @ Aug. 26 2002,8:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">[snip]
bottom line. both cars a faster than my stock ka 240sx and i'd take either of them in a second. but if i was spending $30,000 on a car i better damn well be geting exatly what i want. and that would either be a supra or a s2k</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Can you get an S2K for 30k or less? I was under the impression that it was closer to 40k.

[tongue-in-cheek] Why you would get a supra (vs FD3s, sexxxy S13/14/145 or a host of other better looking and more-fun-to-throw-around cars) is beyond me though. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'> I'm just impartial towards Supras. As far as I'm concerned, Supras are just fat (overweight), ugly (what it says) and clumsy (don't perform well outside of the dragstrip or freeway) cars. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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True, but on the drug strip they'll push 600 hp on stock internals. That means that u prolly won't have to spend more than 1 grand to get that much power out of a stock turbo supra. Thats like what the fastest KA runs. So i don't think that you should really call supra a worthless pos. I'd say it's one of the strongest drag racing competitors to the domestics.

08-25-2002, 08:14 PM	#3
Loren Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 344 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	isn't it FWD.... and how much does it cost? __________________ And shepherds we shall be, for thee my Lord for thee, power hath descended forth from thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out thy command. We shall flow a river forth to thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be. E Nomini parti, E Fili, E Spiriti sancti.

08-25-2002, 08:53 PM	#7
MorganS13 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Midwest Posts: 707 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Annoying Eric @ Aug. 24 2002,10:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yeah doesn't the s2000 have 350 hp...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> 240  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

08-25-2002, 09:01 PM	#8
Loren Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 344 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	oh yeah, Volkswagen's carry that "mystique" about them... __________________ And shepherds we shall be, for thee my Lord for thee, power hath descended forth from thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out thy command. We shall flow a river forth to thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be. E Nomini parti, E Fili, E Spiriti sancti.

08-25-2002, 09:32 PM	#10
adey Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 3,072 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The 337 has 180hp and similar amount of torque. With an ECU upgrade (~$550) you can have ~ 210hp and ~230tq at the flywheel. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'> not to mention the car comes with 18" BBS rims from the factory! It feels a lot faster than the S2k because it's got so much f-ing torque, but an S2k should still win in most aspects. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'> __________________ Instagram: @SX180HKG

08-25-2002, 10:13 PM	#11
bing Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ontario canada Posts: 2,699 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Annoying Eric @ Aug. 24 2002,10:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yeah doesn't the s2000 have 350 hp...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> huh?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> __________________ www.son240sx.org /// www.nyspeed.com

08-25-2002, 08:01 PM	#1
aqwkmf Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: not there. Posts: 414 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	well todays ride was in my friends new gti 337. wow. that car will lay a s2k to rest. turbo is amazing. also a 6 speed. 180 hp and about 170lb ft of torque at ~1700 rpm. it pulls hard. maybe ill go test one out tommorrow to get a drivers point of view <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/satisfied.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':satisfied:'>

08-25-2002, 08:10 PM	#2
Annoying Eric Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NYC / Indiana Age: 38 Posts: 830 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: Annoying Eric Feedback Score: 1 reviews	damn man you want alot of things....... And damn, you test drive mad cars........

08-25-2002, 08:40 PM	#4
tnord Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	a stock GTi will lay a S2k to rest??? are you serious?  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'>

08-25-2002, 08:42 PM	#5
Annoying Eric Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NYC / Indiana Age: 38 Posts: 830 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: Annoying Eric Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Yeah doesn't the s2000 have 350 hp...

08-25-2002, 08:46 PM	#6
S13FREEAAK Drifterella Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 2,435 Trader Rating: (14) Rides Gallery: S13FREEAAK Feedback Score: 14 reviews	I'm pretty sure that the s2000 dosen't have 350hp. I think its in the 200's. But Im not sure.

08-25-2002, 09:24 PM	#9
aqwkmf Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: not there. Posts: 414 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	s2000 240 hp ~150 lbs torque gti 337 180hp 174 lbs torque s2000 power band starts at 7000 rpm (vtec kicks in) gti on the other hand powerband starts at 1700 rpms-5600rpm i dont really want a gti. it just showed me how cool turbo really is. and besides i want alot of cars but after i test drive it i can stick to cars i really like (like the Z car). i mean i like the new tiburon...but i'd never buy one. i'd like to try it once though to see how it feels EDIT: BTW the 337 gti is a limited edition modded off the ass VW (1500 in the us)

08-26-2002, 07:06 AM	#12
HippoSleek Nissanaholic! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: elsewhere Posts: 2,081 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ever try to turn a 250 whp fwd car?  No thanks. Advantage s2k

08-26-2002, 10:04 AM	#13
tnord Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HippoSleek @ Aug. 26 2002,08:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ever try to turn a 250 whp fwd car? No thanks. Advantage s2k</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> ahhh.....touche'

08-26-2002, 10:51 AM	#14
Kreator Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: MD Age: 40 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aqwkmf @ Aug. 25 2002,10:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">s2000 power band starts at 7000 rpm (vtec kicks in)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Ummm it doesn't kick in. It works at all rpms. It's a mechanism that operates on the cams/rocker arms... so there is no such thing as kicking in. Unless it's done from the moment you start up the car... __________________ кто болеет за Зенит, у того всегда стоит!

08-26-2002, 11:40 AM	#15
tnord Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	who cares where vtec "kicks in/engages" what have you.........the only thing that matters is the powerband between shift points. it makes no difference that ours is only good from 4-6, when s2k is good from 7-9. when you're on track, you're gonna be in this rev range the entire time. the only time top heavy power curves become an issue is with improper gearing..........ala Celica GTS.

08-26-2002, 11:42 AM	#16
uiuc240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Naperville, IL Age: 45 Posts: 2,093 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ummm it doesn't kick in. It works at all rpms. It's a mechanism that operates on the cams/rocker arms... so there is no such thing as kicking in. Unless it's done from the moment you start up the car... </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> It switches to a different cam profile. That's what he means. What are you talking about? Eric __________________ 2002 Mazda Protege5 1989 S13 w/SR20DET (sold)

08-26-2002, 11:51 AM	#17
240 2NR Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Denver Posts: 1,131 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ Aug. 26 2002,12:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the only time top heavy power curves become an issue is with improper gearing..........ala Celica GTS.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> and streetability.  A second gear pull off of a 30mph corner is pretty boring until you get into the happy zone of the rev range, by which time you're already going 45mph and ready to slow down. __________________ Steve 93 240sx FB currently very clean and for sale

08-26-2002, 12:19 PM	#18
SR20Fastback Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Bay Age: 39 Posts: 1,637 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The 337 is a very nice car. Probably the only GTi I would ever drive (if given one) <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'> __________________ Fodive STILL blows goats, I have proof.

08-26-2002, 12:33 PM	#19
Kreator Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: MD Age: 40 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uiuc240 @ Aug. 26 2002,12:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ummm it doesn't kick in. It works at all rpms. It's a mechanism that operates on the cams/rocker arms... so there is no such thing as kicking in. Unless it's done from the moment you start up the car... </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> It switches to a different cam profile. That's what he means. What are you talking about? Eric</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Hmmm yeah, now i see my post makes no sense. But yeah i meant what you said. I just don't like people who say "vtec kicked in".... cuz i don't see any connection between that fraze and what actually happens inside the vtec engine.... __________________ кто болеет за Зенит, у того всегда стоит!

08-26-2002, 12:38 PM	#20
240 2NR Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Denver Posts: 1,131 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ Aug. 26 2002,1:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I just don't like people who say "vtec kicked in".... cuz i don't see any connection between that fraze and what actually happens inside the engine....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Well it's sort of right.  Below that rpm, the engine was operating on the low speed "economy cam."  Past the engagement point the cam has been switched over for higher lift and longer duration which is good for some serious top end power depending on the car.  The benefits of a truly wild top end cam without the lumpy idle and poor low speed behavior. __________________ Steve 93 240sx FB currently very clean and for sale

08-26-2002, 04:24 PM	#21
tnord Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	you're right, there aren't little tiny gnomes inside the head that give a good swift kick to the cam, but how else you wanna describe it in 4 words or less?

08-26-2002, 04:59 PM	#22
Kreator Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: MD Age: 40 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ Aug. 26 2002,5:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">you're right, there aren't little tiny gnomes inside the head that give a good swift kick to the cam, but how else you wanna describe it in 4 words or less?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Yeah i know, but then 90% people from whom i heard "vtec kicked in" don't even know what the abbreviation stands for <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> (i'm not implying anyone on this board. just some kids i know) __________________ кто болеет за Зенит, у того всегда стоит!

08-26-2002, 09:17 PM	#23
aqwkmf Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: not there. Posts: 414 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	how else can it be worded? let me see....well at 7000 rpms the cam changes and then we gotta shift mad quick.....i'd rather say kicks in. i know what i mean. u know what i mean. and i dont have to write a story about how a engine works. bottom line. both cars a faster than my stock ka 240sx and i'd take either of them in a second. but if i was spending $30,000 on a car i better damn well be geting exatly what i want. and that would either be a supra or a s2k

08-26-2002, 11:31 PM	#24
SR20Fastback Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Bay Age: 39 Posts: 1,637 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I thought the VTEC cam profile engaged at 6000?? On an S2000 that is... __________________ Fodive STILL blows goats, I have proof.

08-26-2002, 11:54 PM	#25
fodive Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Columbia, SC Age: 39 Posts: 548 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	bah! double post, but the next one is spelt write <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> __________________ roots.

08-27-2002, 12:08 AM	#27
DrDubbleB Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,119 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	That episode kicked ass. aqwkmf, ever thought of an FD RX-7 for half the price?  The maintainence can be a bitch on them if you don't take care of it (but I'd expect an enthusiast to take care of his car), but they look better, and outperform the S2k (as well as unmodded Supras).  Just throwing an idea out there.  If you don't like it, it leaves one more for me to get when I scrape together the cash! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

08-27-2002, 03:37 AM	#28
adey Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 3,072 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aqwkmf @ Aug. 26 2002,8:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">[snip] bottom line. both cars a faster than my stock ka 240sx and i'd take either of them in a second. but if i was spending $30,000 on a car i better damn well be geting exatly what i want. and that would either be a supra or a s2k</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Can you get an S2K for 30k or less? I was under the impression that it was closer to 40k. [tongue-in-cheek] Why you would get a supra (vs FD3s, sexxxy S13/14/145 or a host of other better looking and more-fun-to-throw-around cars) is beyond me though. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'> I'm just impartial towards Supras. As far as I'm concerned, Supras are just fat (overweight), ugly (what it says) and clumsy (don't perform well outside of the dragstrip or freeway) cars. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> [/tongue-in-cheek] {flame suit --- ON} __________________ Instagram: @SX180HKG

08-27-2002, 11:00 AM	#29
tnord Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i don't even see how the 240 is mentioned in the same group as the rest of those cars.

08-27-2002, 01:23 PM	#30
Kreator Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: MD Age: 40 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (adey @ Aug. 27 2002,04:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aqwkmf @ Aug. 26 2002,8:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">[snip] bottom line. both cars a faster than my stock ka 240sx and i'd take either of them in a second. but if i was spending $30,000 on a car i better damn well be geting exatly what i want. and that would either be a supra or a s2k</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Can you get an S2K for 30k or less? I was under the impression that it was closer to 40k. [tongue-in-cheek] Why you would get a supra (vs FD3s, sexxxy S13/14/145 or a host of other better looking and more-fun-to-throw-around cars) is beyond me though. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'> I'm just impartial towards Supras. As far as I'm concerned, Supras are just fat (overweight), ugly (what it says) and clumsy (don't perform well outside of the dragstrip or freeway) cars. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> [/tongue-in-cheek] {flame suit --- ON}</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> True, but on the drug strip they'll push 600 hp on stock internals. That means that u prolly won't have to spend more than 1 grand to get that much power out of a stock turbo supra. Thats like what the fastest KA runs. So i don't think that you should really call supra a worthless pos. I'd say it's one of the strongest drag racing competitors to the domestics. __________________ кто болеет за Зенит, у того всегда стоит!