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EricDET · 11-05-2007, 11:06 PM

I've been looking into getting an Enthalpy tune but I'm not sure if I should wait till I mod the car up a little more. Right now the car is a Stock Redtop SR with a freshly purchased FMIC, MBC, and full Turboback. I'm gonna be upping to a 2871 in 7-8 months or so, but I'm thinking I can get the most out of this T25 with a tune as I can get retunes for the 2871 and injectors for Hella cheap (~$50). Is the tune gonna make that big of an improvement since it doesn't really cost much to tune for something else later. So theoretically on 12 lbs is the difference with the tune going to be that noticeable. Like 20whp or more?

NiSmOKnIghTsRBS14 · 11-05-2007, 11:21 PM

yessss sir it will, get it tuned on the t25, then just pay for the re tune.......

steve shadows · 11-05-2007, 11:28 PM

did someone say tuning.

I dotn know why you nismoknights guys go to churchs, they fail at nissan tuning.

pay me. shit

NiSmOKnIghTsRBS14 · 11-05-2007, 11:31 PM

WTF u talkin bout???????

wow who said anything bout me tuning it????

steve shadows · 11-05-2007, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NiSmOKnIghTsRBS14

WTF u talkin bout???????

wow who said anything bout me tuning it????

NiSmOKnIghTsRBS14 · 11-05-2007, 11:47 PM

y say anything at all??? anyways what ever

back 2 the thread..................

y dont u think about going with like Power fc, aem, something along thos lines when u get the 2871r???? its well worth it.

EricDET · 11-05-2007, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NiSmOKnIghTsRBS14

y say anything at all??? anyways what ever

back 2 the thread..................

y dont u think about going with like Power fc, aem, something along thos lines when u get the 2871r???? its well worth it.

I actually have a Haltech E8 but just consider it over kill for my application simple 2871 that Enthalpy/JWT has TONS of experience with. I guess I have the thinking of why pay $1500 for something when I can get comparable results for $500. I can spend a grand elsewhere that will help me more than that extra minuscule power I'd pick up. Plus I'm buying the turbo and cams with the money for the Haltech.

NiSmOKnIghTsRBS14 · 11-05-2007, 11:54 PM

nice nice good luck bro

Jung918 · 11-05-2007, 11:58 PM

I see that as a bad investment. I would rather run the t25 on a haltech then a t28 on a enthalpy tune. When you get these tunes from enthalpy, you are getting generic tunes that are safe. With the haltech, you get a custom tune made specifically for your setup. Plus there is also the rumor that enthalpy has gone down in customer service as of lately.

I went the expensive route and got a stand alone. Seen too many people that blow their motors because they went frugal on the most important part.

EricDET · 11-06-2007, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Jung918

I see that as a bad investment. I would rather run the t25 on a haltech then a t28 on a enthalpy tune. When you get these tunes from enthalpy, you are getting generic tunes that are safe. With the haltech, you get a custom tune made specifically for your setup. Plus there is also the rumor that enthalpy has gone down in customer service as of lately.

I like the Haltech ALOT... Boost Control, Launch Control, Real-time Datalogging. It's just that you need to retune for everything. Is it cold outside, is it hot, do I wanna turn the boost up, swap cams, etc. It all requires significant retuning for Daily-Driver. Where I live the temperature ranges from 0-98 Degrees, I'm not in socal where the temps are the same year round. Just to much hassle to deal with. I have considered swapping to a pfc with datalogit but I consider that an inferior sysytem with the same pricing as Haltech but easier to live with on a daily basis. I have never really heard anything bad about enthalpy, I'm actually leaning towards JWT at this point. And I know of quite a few people putting out impressive numbers on JWT/Enthalpy tune and 2871's. Just my thinking as of now.

EricDET · 11-06-2007, 12:27 AM

Back to the original topic..LOL

How much difference will there be now on the stock T25?

usdm180sx · 11-06-2007, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by NiSmOKnIghTsRBS14

WTF u talkin bout???????

wow who said anything bout me tuning it????

He said "Church's" does the tuning for you NiSmOKnIghTs.

Just get a z32 mafs, some 550cc's and an safc2 if you're gonna tune a stock t2 small. Plus when you get your enthalpy tune and 2871r you could use the safc to fine tune it, as it won't be spot on being that it's a mail order rom tune.

*edit - if it were me I'd just hold off and get the 2871r, cams, valve springs, valve retainers, head gasket, head studs, injectors, tomei throttle body, greddy intake manifold, tomei exhaust manifold and a haltech or fcon vpro, OR a power fc with a z32 mafs and get some REAL TIME dyno tuning.

NiSmOKnIghTsRBS14 · 11-06-2007, 12:41 AM

good lookin but still

What does he know bout "me"

nuff bout that its jackin EricDET thread

Vision Garage · 11-06-2007, 12:44 AM

Engine management is the most cructial part of your whole set up. Inproper tuning can make your car run like crap or not run at all. Dont gimp on it PLEASE! WIth rom tunes you will have to retune over and over again. This may be more time consuming than to have a stand alone.

EricDET · 11-06-2007, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by usdm180sx

He said "Church's" does the tuning for you NiSmOKnIghTs.

Just get a z32 mafs, some 550cc's and an safc2 if you're gonna tune a stock t2 small. Plus when you get your enthalpy tune and 2871r you could use the safc to fine tune it, as it won't be spot on being that it's a mail order rom tune.

*edit - if it were me I'd just hold off and get the 2871r, cams, valve springs, valve retainers, head gasket, head studs, injectors, tomei throttle body, greddy intake manifold, tomei exhaust manifold and a haltech or fcon vpro, OR a power fc with a z32 mafs and get some REAL TIME dyno tuning.

Everything you listed is on my list minus the exhaust manifold..LOL
I'm thinking of going pfc/Datalogit I just feel like staying MAF will be much easier. 2871 .64, BC 264's with springs & retainers, arp headstuds, metal head gasket, 720's, Freddy IM, Swain coated stock manifold, possibly extrude honed.... And Z32 MAF. ~400whp is the goal.

Like I said it's a daily.. That's my only concern. I've heard ROM's on stock ECU's are better around town. I like pfc for selectable boost by gear also. All I know at this point is I'm selling the Haltech. Plus if I go to the trouble of tuning a pfc now for the T25, I'll have to pay the same dyno time/tuning again when I upgrade the turbo. I'm trying to decide upon the best option for the T25 and then later the 2871.

*fliprayzin240sx* · 11-06-2007, 06:51 AM

Fuck a rom tune, same your money and get a power fc. Think about it, how great are any rom tunes when they mail you an ECU back? If its actually on a dyno and rom tuned, that would be great. You get a rom tune, go ahead and buy a safc and get it tuned some more locally cuz itll run rich for sure. How I know, I went thru the same crap your planning right now and wasnt impressed.

Power FC or AEM fTW....save your money, leave the T25 alone, buy your turbo and do your upgrades, tow the car to a shop and have them tune everything. Itll cost some money but itll gurantee that everything is done right from the get-go and you wont have to do shiet over again later down the road untill you upgrade something else major.

SILVIA_KIDs14.5 · 11-06-2007, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

Fuck a rom tune, same your money and get a power fc. Think about it, how great are any rom tunes when they mail you an ECU back? If its actually on a dyno and rom tuned, that would be great. You get a rom tune, go ahead and buy a safc and get it tuned some more locally cuz itll run rich for sure. How I know, I went thru the same crap your planning right now and wasnt impressed.

Power FC or AEM fTW....save your money, leave the T25 alone, buy your turbo and do your upgrades, tow the car to a shop and have them tune everything. Itll cost some money but itll gurantee that everything is done right from the get-go and you wont have to do shiet over again later down the road untill you upgrade something else major.

i second his motion cuz i went through the hassel of gettin a tomei racing ecu that wasn't reytec and i regret it and if you don't know what reytec is its a standalone not just a rom tune my rom tune runs rich not to rich but enough to smell the 93 im running trust me go wit a standalone also here is a like on the reytec if your intrested http://www.tomei-p.co.jp/_2003web-ca...ex-reytec.html but for the most part im now lookin at power FC or AEM ems

EricDET · 11-06-2007, 04:31 PM

There seems to be a strong resistance to ROM tunes...LOL

Jung918 · 11-06-2007, 04:48 PM

^ for a good reason. Here is a link to Nistune. It may be a cheaper alternate to achieve your goal. http://home.aanet.com.au/nistune/

PRADOgy · 11-06-2007, 04:50 PM

Microtech ....nuff Said (.)

steve shadows · 11-06-2007, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by PRADOgy

Microtech ....nuff Said (.)

they just jacked haltech

in fact haltech took them to court and sued them over it.

PRADOgy · 11-06-2007, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve shadows

they just jacked haltech

in fact haltech took them to court and sued them over it.

Dont know too much bout that. But Microtech is user friendly compared to HELLtech IMO....but i heard you do some bombay tuning.. id take your word

just remember , you get what you pay for..

This was once thrown at my face here and learned a lot from it
CHEAP,FAST,RELIABLE

choose only two.

*fliprayzin240sx* · 11-06-2007, 04:57 PM

Just for a reference, my rom tune was running 9-10 AF without a safc.

EricDET · 11-06-2007, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

Just for a reference, my rom tune was running 9-10 AF without a safc.

Damn, I'm leaning towards PFC/Datalogit heavily at this point... I've talked to a couple tuners in the area. All their experience is with PFC and AEM. No one I've talked to has even tuned a Haltech. Looks like PFC is the front runner right now. I would still like launch control ability. I've had some experience with Datalogit, how much better/pricier is the Power excel PRO software?

EricDET · 11-06-2007, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

Just for a reference, my rom tune was running 9-10 AF without a safc.

Just for reference what's the stock computer AF's most of the time at WOT?

*fliprayzin240sx* · 11-06-2007, 08:45 PM

Go with AEM just cuz the technology is atleast newer compared to the PFC. Thats not a knock on the PFC, just stating the obvious since the technology for the PFC has been out since the early 90s.

Do AEM got more features than the PFC? I imagine it does from what i remember somebody telling me.

IIIXziuR · 11-07-2007, 06:50 AM

Steve is the man.
He can tune like the mad professor that he is.
He knows everything.

EricDET · 11-07-2007, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IIIXziuR

Steve is the man.
He can tune like the mad professor that he is.
He knows everything.

I think me in Cincy and him in SoCal might throw a few roadblocks to that idea....

hijack3d · 11-07-2007, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricDET

There seems to be a strong resistance to ROM tunes...LOL

Eh... I'm not entirely sure why. I like ROM tunes. It makes life easy.

But personally, I'm excited that CalumSult now has the real-time ECU for the KA, since I'll be KA-T over the winter time, but he actually has more experience with SRs. Look for information about him on the SR20forum, KA-T.org and Hybridka....

This is from 8-bit on KA-T.org:

"The software you use is TunerproRT, which is a somewhat freeware tuning program. You can pay 30 bux or something, or you can just wait the 10 seconds delay for not paying. You have full software usability even without paying.

Calum also sets you up with a consult-over-USB port that streams your nissan consult data. You can use some of the various freeware nissan consult software, or you can get what most of us truly enjoy, Nissan Datascan, by blazt. It costs like 30-35 dollars. It taps right into your USB port, you get full on consult use, and Calum can provide you the appropriate numbers to input so you can have REAL FULL TIME MAPTRACING on fuel and timing maps! "

So relatively inexpensive, pretty good shit.

<== WTF? ... LOL...

steve shadows · 11-07-2007, 12:08 PM

If you buy an EMS

I can build you a base map

that will run as well as an enthalpy tune

then take to dyno for less than an hour

fine tune a couple key places in map

done.

I build base maps for cheap, you paypal me, I email. good to go.

depends on EMS though

buy a haltech from john

or me

or outer space

11-05-2007, 11:06 PM	#1
EricDET Leaky Injector Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NKY Age: 41 Posts: 109 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Tune now or wait??? I've been looking into getting an Enthalpy tune but I'm not sure if I should wait till I mod the car up a little more. Right now the car is a Stock Redtop SR with a freshly purchased FMIC, MBC, and full Turboback. I'm gonna be upping to a 2871 in 7-8 months or so, but I'm thinking I can get the most out of this T25 with a tune as I can get retunes for the 2871 and injectors for Hella cheap (~$50). Is the tune gonna make that big of an improvement since it doesn't really cost much to tune for something else later. So theoretically on 12 lbs is the difference with the tune going to be that noticeable. Like 20whp or more?

11-05-2007, 11:28 PM	#3
steve shadows Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: LA and OC Posts: 8,202 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	did someone say tuning. I dotn know why you nismoknights guys go to churchs, they fail at nissan tuning. pay me. shit __________________ Like Me on FaceBook !

11-05-2007, 11:58 PM	#9
Jung918 Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: CA Posts: 3,203 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	I see that as a bad investment. I would rather run the t25 on a haltech then a t28 on a enthalpy tune. When you get these tunes from enthalpy, you are getting generic tunes that are safe. With the haltech, you get a custom tune made specifically for your setup. Plus there is also the rumor that enthalpy has gone down in customer service as of lately. I went the expensive route and got a stand alone. Seen too many people that blow their motors because they went frugal on the most important part. __________________ Sale: Hello Kitty Horn Button S14 Rear Valences K.Y. Gordon the Thief (Tony Chen)

11-06-2007, 12:44 AM	#14
Vision Garage Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USDM Land Posts: 1,799 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	Engine management is the most cructial part of your whole set up. Inproper tuning can make your car run like crap or not run at all. Dont gimp on it PLEASE! WIth rom tunes you will have to retune over and over again. This may be more time consuming than to have a stand alone. __________________

11-06-2007, 06:51 AM	#16
fliprayzin240sx Man w/ CTSV & a Car Seat Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 17,998 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: fliprayzin240sx Feedback Score: 19 reviews	Fuck a rom tune, same your money and get a power fc. Think about it, how great are any rom tunes when they mail you an ECU back? If its actually on a dyno and rom tuned, that would be great. You get a rom tune, go ahead and buy a safc and get it tuned some more locally cuz itll run rich for sure. How I know, I went thru the same crap your planning right now and wasnt impressed. Power FC or AEM fTW....save your money, leave the T25 alone, buy your turbo and do your upgrades, tow the car to a shop and have them tune everything. Itll cost some money but itll gurantee that everything is done right from the get-go and you wont have to do shiet over again later down the road untill you upgrade something else major. __________________ If you think Zilvia has too many assholes... CLICK HERE!!!

11-05-2007, 11:21 PM	#2
NiSmOKnIghTsRBS14 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 426 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	yessss sir it will, get it tuned on the t25, then just pay for the re tune.......

11-05-2007, 11:31 PM	#4
NiSmOKnIghTsRBS14 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 426 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	WTF u talkin bout??????? wow who said anything bout me tuning it????

11-05-2007, 11:47 PM	#6
NiSmOKnIghTsRBS14 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 426 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	y say anything at all??? anyways what ever back 2 the thread.................. y dont u think about going with like Power fc, aem, something along thos lines when u get the 2871r???? its well worth it.

11-05-2007, 11:54 PM	#8
NiSmOKnIghTsRBS14 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 426 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	nice nice good luck bro

11-06-2007, 12:27 AM	#11
EricDET Leaky Injector Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NKY Age: 41 Posts: 109 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Back to the original topic..LOL How much difference will there be now on the stock T25?

11-06-2007, 12:41 AM	#13
NiSmOKnIghTsRBS14 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 426 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	good lookin but still What does he know bout "me" nuff bout that its jackin EricDET thread

11-06-2007, 04:31 PM	#18
EricDET Leaky Injector Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NKY Age: 41 Posts: 109 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	There seems to be a strong resistance to ROM tunes...LOL

11-06-2007, 04:48 PM	#19
Jung918 Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: CA Posts: 3,203 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	^ for a good reason. Here is a link to Nistune. It may be a cheaper alternate to achieve your goal. http://home.aanet.com.au/nistune/ __________________ Sale: Hello Kitty Horn Button S14 Rear Valences K.Y. Gordon the Thief (Tony Chen)

11-06-2007, 04:50 PM	#20
PRADOgy Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Japan Age: 39 Posts: 1,161 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: PRADOgy Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Microtech ....nuff Said (.) __________________ しょうがない

11-06-2007, 04:57 PM	#23
fliprayzin240sx Man w/ CTSV & a Car Seat Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 17,998 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: fliprayzin240sx Feedback Score: 19 reviews	Just for a reference, my rom tune was running 9-10 AF without a safc. __________________ If you think Zilvia has too many assholes... CLICK HERE!!!

11-06-2007, 08:45 PM	#26
fliprayzin240sx Man w/ CTSV & a Car Seat Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 17,998 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: fliprayzin240sx Feedback Score: 19 reviews	Go with AEM just cuz the technology is atleast newer compared to the PFC. Thats not a knock on the PFC, just stating the obvious since the technology for the PFC has been out since the early 90s. Do AEM got more features than the PFC? I imagine it does from what i remember somebody telling me. __________________ If you think Zilvia has too many assholes... CLICK HERE!!!

11-07-2007, 06:50 AM	#27
IIIXziuR Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Left Hand Path Posts: 2,655 Trader Rating: (22) Feedback Score: 22 reviews	Steve is the man. He can tune like the mad professor that he is. He knows everything.

11-07-2007, 12:08 PM	#30
steve shadows Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: LA and OC Posts: 8,202 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	If you buy an EMS I can build you a base map that will run as well as an enthalpy tune then take to dyno for less than an hour fine tune a couple key places in map done. I build base maps for cheap, you paypal me, I email. good to go. depends on EMS though buy a haltech from john or me or outer space __________________ Like Me on FaceBook !