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moose · 02-23-2003, 08:24 PM

Sorry, but I searched and I couldn't find the comparison.

What gain should I expect (what gain did you expect) if I added full intake and exhaust (CAI and Headers and Full exhaust) vs. standard turbo kit, running 7 Psi.

Did you get all that? Sorry if it doesn't make sense. Basically I want to know what the hp and tq gain is with each.

Thanks,

And hey, if your running full intake and exhaust, did you notice an improvement immediately?

Moose

Apparition · 02-23-2003, 09:40 PM

10-15 ponies at max with i/h/e.

and if you say "Well Import Tuner showed 15 horse power games with intake alone" just slap yourself.

as for ka-t with 7psi, you're changing the intake/exhaust in any event, and the manifold replaces the header I believe. Since you're cramming more air through the system, you'll see more gains.

*Jeff240sx* · 02-23-2003, 10:45 PM

Ok. I'd agree with a 15rwhp gain from I/H/E.
With the turbo kits that are out, you'll see 240rwhp (+105rwhp on most cars) at 6.5-7psi according to the manufacturers. Also, you'll pay $250 for the intake and cae, and $250 for headers and $550 for an exhaust. That's 1/3 the price of a turbo for 1/9th the power. Woot.
-Jeff

Steeles · 02-24-2003, 07:52 AM

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Originally posted by Apparition
and if you say "Well Import Tuner showed 15 horse power games with intake alone" just slap yourself.

just slap yourself for TRYING to compare i/h/e to a turbo... thats ridiculous.

someone on FA made over 200rwhp with a non intercooled 4.5psi turbo set up. tuned to death N/A engines are TRYING to reach 170rwhp.

*AceInHole* · 02-24-2003, 08:56 AM

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Originally posted by Steeles
just slap yourself for TRYING to compare i/h/e to a turbo... thats ridiculous.

someone on FA made over 200rwhp with a non intercooled 4.5psi turbo set up. tuned to death N/A engines are TRYING to reach 170rwhp.

if you're talking about orion, his numbers are:

Quote:

First pull: .4bar, 3rd gear = 215rwhp and 209rwtq

Second pull: .4bar, 4th gear = 224rwhp and 229rwtq

Third pull: .3 bar, 4th gear = 202rwhp and 209rwtq

Steeles · 02-24-2003, 10:29 AM

yeah... I had to edit it and actually mention that so that my slap yourself comment wasnt the only thing I said. tnx for the actual numbers ace. Im in a stupid question hating mood today. its taking way too much effort to be nice today.. I may have to stay away from boards today

moose · 02-25-2003, 08:16 PM

Where can I get a turbo kit?
I know there are some out there, but I want a reasonably priced one. I don't care if it's JDM.

019 · 02-26-2003, 12:27 AM

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Originally posted by Apparition
and if you say "Well Import Tuner showed 15 horse power games with intake alone" just slap yourself.

but they gained 5 rwhp from the intake! but the did have the unorthodox pulley set on there too. ok i'll just go slap myself

Steeles · 02-26-2003, 06:56 AM

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Originally posted by moose
Where can I get a turbo kit?
I know there are some out there, but I want a reasonably priced one. I don't care if it's JDM.

talk to D240T on here a.k.a. Dennis from Unstable hybrids. or theres fmax, xs engineering, and Nsport. or just build your own. time to search my young padawan

nrcooled · 02-26-2003, 08:42 AM

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Originally posted by moose
Where can I get a turbo kit?
I know there are some out there, but I want a reasonably priced one. I don't care if it's JDM.

You have much to learn grasshoppa. Sounds like time for a google search and some of your own research.

"How Turbos Work" would be a good search to start with

*AceInHole* · 02-26-2003, 10:57 AM

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Originally posted by moose
I don't care if it's JDM.

Wow... they make JDM KA turbo kits now??? Dude... I want one.

*Jeff240sx* · 02-26-2003, 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by AceInHole
Wow... they make JDM KA turbo kits now??? Dude... I want one.

Yea. You didn't know that! Trust and Blitz are making them for the JDM ka24de.
-Jeff

S13CRAVE · 02-27-2003, 10:25 AM

funny stuff, but i think you just confused him more, lol.

TrueSlide · 02-27-2003, 02:25 PM

Ahh, be easy, he is canadian

Moose, read this link and get famalier with turbos:

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo.htm

If you want to read anymore and plan on turboing your car either swap or custom kit, check out the book "Maximum Boost by Corky bell".

moose · 02-28-2003, 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by TrueSlide
Ahh, be easy, he is canadian

Moose, read this link and get famalier with turbos:

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo.htm

If you want to read anymore and plan on turboing your car either swap or custom kit, check out the book "Maximum Boost by Corky bell".

What does that mean? I am Canadian!?! You are a piece of ****. I know about turbo and I know I don't want an HKS setup, or a Blitz Setup. You can't make that distinction you fag, I've done enough research on turbo and what I meant was I don't want a really expensive setup like Blitz or HKS.

Yes I'm Canadian and I'm proud to be Canadian. I certainly wouldn't want to be American right now. (O.k I take that back, its not your fault it's Bush's fault.)

moose · 02-28-2003, 01:46 PM

I do however have one question that I couldn't get answered when I did my research.

What is bar? Is it the psi reading? I kee hearing .45 bar and I have no idea.

I like the idea of a smaller turbo, but if you go smaller than you can't expect to run much boost.
If I do a custom buildup, what parts should I start with first?

kandyflip445 · 02-28-2003, 03:08 PM

With a smaller turbo you CAN run high boost. I just won't flow as much air. Bar is another way of measuring boost. I can't remember what it is though....something around 20psi?

I know someone here knows.

EDIT: Please stop asking what you want.....we don't know what you want. Give us something to work off of. Like your ultimate goal. Quick spool up with decent hp or ungodly hp that kicks right before your rev limiter. Tell us what you are gonna do with the car.

nrcooled · 02-28-2003, 03:52 PM

1 bar is 14psi. I am not trying to offend you but....you need to do more research on the KA and Turbos. There is a lot to learn out there. Most of the turbo gurus that are on Zilvia and FA will admit that there is still more for them to learn. Just be patient and keep learning.

I personally don't know enough to even criticize you so I will shut-up now

SilviaDriver · 02-28-2003, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally quoted by moose
I know about turbo and I know I don't want an HKS setup, or a Blitz Setup. I've done enough research on turbo and what I meant was I don't want a really expensive setup like Blitz or HKS.

Quote:

Originally quoted by moose
What is bar? Is it the psi reading? I kee hearing .45 bar and I have no idea.

you say u know turbo, yet u ask what is a bar..you dont know enough about turbo yet, or did enough research.

1 bar = 14.50377 PSI

Kreator · 02-28-2003, 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by moose
I don't want a really expensive setup like Blitz or HKS.

lol. noob. hks and blitz don't make kits for a ka. i say first part (or rather a tool) you need to buy is a torque wrench so you could hit yourself on the head

Eternal_240Sx · 02-28-2003, 09:40 PM

there are already threads in the past that answers all your questions.. please use search.. thats what its there for..

02-23-2003, 08:24 PM	#1
moose Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: New Brunswick, CANADA Age: 40 Posts: 246 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	What is the gain? (hp) Sorry, but I searched and I couldn't find the comparison. What gain should I expect (what gain did you expect) if I added full intake and exhaust (CAI and Headers and Full exhaust) vs. standard turbo kit, running 7 Psi. Did you get all that? Sorry if it doesn't make sense. Basically I want to know what the hp and tq gain is with each. Thanks, And hey, if your running full intake and exhaust, did you notice an improvement immediately? Moose __________________

02-23-2003, 09:40 PM	#2
Apparition Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ontario Posts: 439 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	10-15 ponies at max with i/h/e. and if you say "Well Import Tuner showed 15 horse power games with intake alone" just slap yourself. as for ka-t with 7psi, you're changing the intake/exhaust in any event, and the manifold replaces the header I believe. Since you're cramming more air through the system, you'll see more gains. __________________ 1990 240sx coupe sold

02-23-2003, 10:45 PM	#3
Jeff240sx I hate you too... Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tampa, FL Age: 42 Posts: 5,828 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Jeff240sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ok. I'd agree with a 15rwhp gain from I/H/E. With the turbo kits that are out, you'll see 240rwhp (+105rwhp on most cars) at 6.5-7psi according to the manufacturers. Also, you'll pay $250 for the intake and cae, and $250 for headers and $550 for an exhaust. That's 1/3 the price of a turbo for 1/9th the power. Woot. -Jeff __________________ Whatup?

02-24-2003, 10:29 AM	#6
Steeles Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: 7th layer of hell, special pit of anger Age: 49 Posts: 3,785 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yeah... I had to edit it and actually mention that so that my slap yourself comment wasnt the only thing I said. tnx for the actual numbers ace. Im in a stupid question hating mood today. its taking way too much effort to be nice today.. I may have to stay away from boards today __________________ Keeping it Godzira bishes. So I murdered another turbo

02-25-2003, 08:16 PM	#7
moose Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: New Brunswick, CANADA Age: 40 Posts: 246 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Where can I get a turbo kit? I know there are some out there, but I want a reasonably priced one. I don't care if it's JDM. __________________

02-27-2003, 10:25 AM	#13
S13CRAVE Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Harrison Twp, MI Age: 38 Posts: 491 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	funny stuff, but i think you just confused him more, lol.

02-27-2003, 02:25 PM	#14
TrueSlide Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 51 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ahh, be easy, he is canadian Moose, read this link and get famalier with turbos: http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo.htm If you want to read anymore and plan on turboing your car either swap or custom kit, check out the book "Maximum Boost by Corky bell". __________________ Real men drive s13s. #240sx on EFnet

02-28-2003, 01:46 PM	#16
moose Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: New Brunswick, CANADA Age: 40 Posts: 246 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I do however have one question that I couldn't get answered when I did my research. What is bar? Is it the psi reading? I kee hearing .45 bar and I have no idea. I like the idea of a smaller turbo, but if you go smaller than you can't expect to run much boost. If I do a custom buildup, what parts should I start with first? __________________

02-28-2003, 03:08 PM	#17
kandyflip445 Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Arden, NC Age: 40 Posts: 4,460 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: kandyflip445 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	With a smaller turbo you CAN run high boost. I just won't flow as much air. Bar is another way of measuring boost. I can't remember what it is though....something around 20psi? I know someone here knows. EDIT: Please stop asking what you want.....we don't know what you want. Give us something to work off of. Like your ultimate goal. Quick spool up with decent hp or ungodly hp that kicks right before your rev limiter. Tell us what you are gonna do with the car. Last edited by kandyflip445; 02-28-2003 at 03:10 PM..

02-28-2003, 03:52 PM	#18
nrcooled Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Turn 8 'bout to get rolled by a SC'd ITR Age: 46 Posts: 1,849 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	1 bar is 14psi. I am not trying to offend you but....you need to do more research on the KA and Turbos. There is a lot to learn out there. Most of the turbo gurus that are on Zilvia and FA will admit that there is still more for them to learn. Just be patient and keep learning. I personally don't know enough to even criticize you so I will shut-up now __________________ '91 hatch w/ SR Sold; '03 Evo Sold 401 HP; '03 MS Protege sold; '00 Evo 6.5 TME Sold 300HP

02-28-2003, 09:40 PM	#21
Eternal_240Sx Zilvia Addict Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: norcal, bay area Age: 41 Posts: 674 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	there are already threads in the past that answers all your questions.. please use search.. thats what its there for.. __________________ Life is good in the bay.