CA to repeal 30 yr old smog exemption!!! ACT NOW!

[hiryu]

***Copied and pasted from club4ag.***

URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT (UPDATE)

California Emissions Exemption Repeal Bill To Be Considered by

Senate Transportation Committee

This may be our last chance! As you are aware, A.B. 2683, the California legislation that would repeal the state's current rolling emissions test exemption for vehicles 30 years old and older passed in the California Assembly and will now be considered in the Senate. The bill would repeal the current pro-hobbyist exemption and replace it with a law requiring the permanent testing of all 1976 and newer model vehicles. A hearing in the Senate will likely be scheduled for June 29th. We must double our efforts to contact the Senate Transportation Committee!

Contact members of the Senate Transportation Committee (List Attached) Immediately to Request Their Opposition to A.B. 2683

Phone Calls Work Best!

Our arguments are the same:

Existing law in California exempts all vehicles 30-years old and older from emissions testing.

California's current emissions testing exemption recognizes the minimal impact of vehicles 30-years old and older on vehicle emissions and air quality.

Vehicles 30-years old and older constitute a small portion of the overall vehicle population and are a poor source from which to look for emissions reduction.

Antique and classic vehicles are overwhelmingly well-maintained and infrequently driven (about one-third the miles each year as a new vehicle).

Legislators and regulators are feeling the heat from a failed effort to meet air quality goals and are looking for a convenient scapegoat. The old car hobby should not carry the burden of their mistakes!

Act Now! Please send copies of your e-mails to Steve McDonald at [email protected]

California Senate Transportation Committee


Senator Kevin Murray (Chair)
Phone: (916) 445-8800
[email protected]

Senator Tom McClintock (Vice-Chair)
Phone: (916) 445-8873
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Senator Roy Ashburn
Phone: (916) 445-5405
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Senator James Brulte
Phone: (916) 445-3688
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Senator Liz Figueroa
Phone: (916) 445-6671
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Senator Dean Florez
Phone: (916) 445-4641
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Senator Betty Karnette
Phone: (916) 445-6447
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Senator Bill Morrow
Phone: (916) 445-3731
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Senator Don Perata
Phone: (916) 445-6577
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Senator Jack Scott
Phone: (916) 445-5976
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Senator Nell Soto
Phone: (916) 445-6868
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Senator Jackie Speier
Phone: (916) 445-0503
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Senator Tom Torlakson
Phone: (916) 445-6083
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Cliffs Notes:

Email everyone on the "email spamming list" and say "NO TO A.B. 2683" or else we will have to smog 30 year and older cars in CA.

[mk20116]

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[mjjstang]

nobody cares, oh well except for the people in california which is like 98 percent of this board. but still its old.

[ONYX S-13]

If those cars don't impact the air why bother gettin them smogged then? Either way they aren't the ones that are polluting.

[240meowth]

i think they should go ahead and do it. I've seen some nonsense old cars that's shooting out pure blue smoke, black smoke, and every color under then sun, i think they should get those guys. I mean, the other day I went up to a mountain, and looked over LA, there's blue skies above the grey sky that's hovering over LA.

[chokudoriS13]

Originally Posted by 240meowth

i think they should go ahead and do it. I've seen some nonsense old cars that's shooting out pure blue smoke, black smoke, and every color under then sun, i think they should get those guys. I mean, the other day I went up to a mountain, and looked over LA, there's blue skies above the grey sky that's hovering over LA.

Jeremy, if you think those cars are even causing .01% of the pollution, you're way off the mark. Think CAFE standards, Smog credits, SUV's and Pick-ups, diesel trucks and buses, factories, etc... that's your 99.99 percent there. Now, what do we do about that?

[240meowth]

Originally Posted by chokudoriS13

Jeremy, if you think those cars are even causing .01% of the pollution, you're way off the mark. Think CAFE standards, Smog credits, SUV's and Pick-ups, diesel trucks and buses, factories, etc... that's your 99.99 percent there. Now, what do we do about that?

maybe the statistics dosn't include the cars i'm talking about, since they can't be included in the stastics, because they are not smogged. I see these poorly maintained old cars and they are just a pain to drive behind, gotta roll up my windows and close my vents.

[Phlip]

Fuck California, let that sumbish fall into the pacific, I promise not to miss it

[Var]

If you really think about it 1975 and newer cars should be smogged. Right now '75 is exempt but it shouldnt be. Pretty much all "classic cars" ended in '74. 99% of cars 1975 to late 1980's are pieces of shit and should be smogged with 100 times stricter standards than other cars. They are eyesores, usually not maintained well cause cheap or poor people drive them, they pollute the most, and are inferior designs. U.S. manufacturers struggled to build gas saving cars in this era but ended up with POS cars that still guzzle the same amount of gas but only put out 30-50% of the power of the late 60's early 70's muscle cars. Do away with these junkers. They should make a new law that orders all late 70's vehicle owners to be beheaded. Get off the road assholes.

[chokudoriS13]

Originally Posted by westboroughpimp

If you really think about it 1975 and newer cars should be smogged. Right now '75 is exempt but it shouldnt be. Pretty much all "classic cars" ended in '74. 99% of cars 1975 to late 1980's are pieces of shit and should be smogged with 100 times stricter standards than other cars. They are eyesores, usually not maintained well cause cheap or poor people drive them, they pollute the most, and are inferior designs. U.S. manufacturers struggled to build gas saving cars in this era but ended up with POS cars that still guzzle the same amount of gas but only put out 30-50% of the power of the late 60's early 70's muscle cars. Do away with these junkers. They should make a new law that orders all late 70's vehicle owners to be beheaded. Get off the road assholes.

You don't realize that this is eliminates the rolling law... In 20 years, when you want to start a project with your kids and decide to do an SR'd S13 for nostalgia's sake, you won't be able to, because the rolling 30 year law was eliminated due to your complacency.

[Var]

Originally Posted by chokudoriS13

You don't realize that this is eliminates the rolling law... In 20 years, when you want to start a project with your kids and decide to do an SR'd S13 for nostalgia's sake, you won't be able to, because the rolling 30 year law was eliminated due to your complacency.

I dont realize it ehh? ok. i only make my living smogging cars. Fuck the rolling law. most 70's and 80's cars are crap.
i dont think s13's should ever be smog exempt. There are too many crap cars out there when exempted would ruin our air. I work at a test only center. A lot of the cars i smog are gross polluter and they arent even modified. Old cars are crap. The only cars that should be exempt are old school classics, like chevelles, early camaros, novas, mustangs etc. 70's and 80's cars should have stricter standards. But i am all for legalizing engine swaps and such as long as they burn clean. go read the visual inspection thread. that has good reasoning behind it.

[chokudoriS13]

Originally Posted by westboroughpimp

The only cars that should be exempt are old school classics, like chevelles, early camaros, novas, mustangs etc. 70's and 80's cars should have stricter standards. But i am all for legalizing engine swaps and such as long as they burn clean. go read the visual inspection thread. that has good reasoning behind it.

You can't decide what old school classics are... In twenty years, a Z31 may be considered an old school classic and have as much prestige as a chevelle does now. By the way, on your next commute, count how many 20-30 year old cars you see... Because I tried, and saw one! You see them at your station because they're sent to you. That's not a statistically correct way to pick a sample to base assumptions on.

[Var]

Originally Posted by chokudoriS13

You see them at your station because they're sent to you. That's not a statistically correct way to pick a sample to base assumptions on.

why not? that's what the government does. They base THEIR statistics on MY test results. What's a better way? that's the whole point of Test-Only centers. They gather data for the SMOG program. So you see one 20 year old car and i see 10 a day, and i know exactly how they are running and you dont. ...??? so i dont get why you think i shouldnt be making a judgement based on my knowledge. In 20 years let's say a z31 is considered a classic. Ok i will accept that. great car to be added to the list..but unfortunately the law doesnt work by saying which cars are and arent classics. Therefore is a 78 datsun is considered a classic, then so must a 78 oldmobile cutlass, or a 78 ford pinto, or a 78 whatever else that doesnt need to be smog exempt cause cheap and or poor people drive them.

[mjjstang]

just make a big ballon that goes behind an airplane to scoop the bad air out of LA and send it into space. or make a big vaccum. that would be cool.

[tastyratz]

thats a very elaborate response im impressed he did that. Even though i dont live in cali (and i dont) i believe that the standards set for emissions on older cars is probabbly something to be remarkably out of line and unfeasable for the emissions standards produced during their time. i believe all cars should have a cat and not a test pipe. cry all you want but to save 50$ and gain 1hp for the remarkable differences in damage you do to the air i feel no sorrow. yea doing alot of other things will modify emissions but i draw the line on the cat, its just not worth it.

summed blabbery: older cars shouldnt be smogged imho but should be equipped with a cat.