I want out...

[HaLo]

Do you guys know ANYONE that could sell me a S14 SR20DE motorset (engine, harness, ecu, maf)? You read right... No "T"...

I can't afford to rebuild my SR20DET and I really don't want to buy another motorset to blow it to pieces...

If I can find somewhere to get that motorset, I might be putting a LOT of things for sale soon...

[AKADriver]

I'd go back to KA24DE if you want to go N/A, but that's just me. Get a nice clean S14 KA24DE with no swirl control and no AIV.

Check out what some people have done with relatively simple mods. One of the guys that instructs at a lot of the track events in my area has his '98 240SX making 161hp at the wheels with a homebrew intake, N1 dual, JWT cams, JWT ECU, and that's IT. That's getting close to stock SR20DET territory... and the 154lb-ft he makes would never be attainable from an SR20DE.

[HaLo]

Maybe so... But S14 SR20DE has VTC, makes 160hp stock, has a higher redline, will make close to the same power as KA with same mods... +, I won't have to buy a lightened flywheel or performance clutch, since I already have them.

I also believe a bit lighter.

[DRIFTING_SIL_EIGHTY]

i maybe able to locate one for you. the only thing though is that im in cali and shipping im assuming will be expensive. if your interested ill get some quotes for you by this weekend.

[TheTimanator]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...sPageName=WDVW
Doesn't say anything about VTC though.
It comes with an automatic. But I would think that the SR20DET transmission would fit. I dunno

[HaLo]

I know... the guy does not ship to Canada though...

I am so confused,... I really don't know what to do anymore.

[kings_blend]

since your in montreal why dont you look over at osaka motors or jspecautosports.com

[wootwoot]

there are a lot of other n/a engines way better than that which you could throw in there. i understand your dilemma though

[AKADriver]

You don't need VTC or a higher redline when you have 2389cc. No replacement...

[atom]

I've seen places like Venus ocassionally have N/A SR's but for what they were charging the price differential didn't seem worth it.......

I wonder how much a Neo Straight 6 clip costs.....

[HaLo]

I know, I just really don't like the KA feel of the Engine.. I hated mine at the end..

I don't want to go too custom... it'll get too expensive too quickly.. I might go around the local "JDM Scrap Yards" tomorrow to see what they have..

Anyways.... If you guys have any other suggestions, I am opened to them.

[wootwoot]

wankel could be done for not to much =)

[HaLo]

hello unreliability.

not very practical for Auto-X... won't be legal in Street mod with another manufacturer's engine.

[wootwoot]

pft, wankels are completly reliable and i find that statement to be one of those things that never dies because people dont understand them. vq30 could be interesting and work fine, with a little work you can make that sr20 into an sr24 with highcompression and itb's. there are some crazy ass japanese engines that you can find with some searching around, go for it. just how much power are you looking for? thats the main thing.

[old_s13]

Originally Posted by wootwoot

pft, wankels are completly reliable and i find that statement to be one of those things that never dies because people dont understand them. vq30 could be interesting and work fine, with a little work you can make that sr20 into an sr24 with highcompression and itb's. there are some crazy ass japanese engines that you can find with some searching around, go for it. just how much power are you looking for? thats the main thing.

bullshit. i've never known an RX7 to run "faithfully" and take the abuse. never. Never. NEVER.

not saying they arent good engines or strong engines, BUT.. the bottom line is that they cannot take NEGLECT and ABUSE like a lot of other motors I can think about (supra motor, ka, sr). rotary motors are very racey, which means they need proper maintanance in order to survive the beating.. and more maintanance than any other motor i've known.

hence the reason each and every person I know who's had an RX7 (including plenty of customers) all say its a love hate relationship -- when it works, its golden.. when it doesnt, its hell. kinda like going out with an anorexic supermodel who likes to have lots of sex.. the ups and downs, how fun.

[aznpoopy]

Originally Posted by old_s13

bullshit. i've never known an RX7 to run "faithfully" and take the abuse. never. Never. NEVER.

not saying they arent good engines or strong engines, BUT.. the bottom line is that they cannot take NEGLECT and ABUSE like a lot of other motors I can think about (supra motor, ka, sr). rotary motors are very racey, which means they need proper maintanance in order to survive the beating.. and more maintanance than any other motor i've known.

hence the reason each and every person I know who's had an RX7 (including plenty of customers) all say its a love hate relationship -- when it works, its golden.. when it doesnt, its hell. kinda like going out with an anorexic supermodel who likes to have lots of sex.. the ups and downs, how fun.

it's only when you turbocharge the motor that it starts getting finicky. turboIIs last a while but seem to die at 70k or so. FDs are idiotically over engineered in some regards (sequential twins) and then under engineered in others (high heat and a weak ass cooling system). only rx7 people list 'reliabilty mods' as parts of their sigs...

they also die when mistreated *a little*. so buying a used rotary is alot like russian roulette. you never know if the previous owner overheated her or what.

that being said, rx7 n/a rotary motors are VERY reliable when maintained properly. usually this is not hard... flush your coolant every half a year and change your oil at 2000 miles and you are set. my g/f bought her 87 n/a at 160k miles and it still pulls strong (possibly stronger then my s14! T_T). 200k has been reached by some n/a owners.

[TheTimanator]

Originally Posted by aznpoopy

it's only when you turbocharge the motor that it starts getting finicky.

that being said, rx7 n/a rotary motors are VERY reliable when maintained properly. usually this is not hard... flush your coolant every half a year and change your oil at 2000 miles and you are set. my g/f bought her 87 n/a at 160k miles and it still pulls strong (possibly stronger then my s14! T_T). 200k has been reached by some n/a owners.

my freind had a 1st gen with an 12a? i think. anyway, he went through two motors and gave up. When he bought the car, the previous owner said not to run the car under a 1/4 tank. He was sitting at the light to turn into the gas station. The gauge had just gone below 1/4 and started smoking and running like crap.... I forgot how the second one went.

Anyway, this thread is about Halo and him being a quiter j/k
that s14 sr with a VE head and itb sounds like a pretty cool set-up though. Why is the NEO-VVL engine so "exspensive"?

[that180guy]

finally a sr20de thread.....soo hard to find good info on a rwd sr. usually i just leach off the fwd sr guys. we should keep it going

[wootwoot]

Originally Posted by old_s13

bullshit. i've never known an RX7 to run "faithfully" and take the abuse. never. Never. NEVER.

not saying they arent good engines or strong engines, BUT.. the bottom line is that they cannot take NEGLECT and ABUSE like a lot of other motors I can think about (supra motor, ka, sr). rotary motors are very racey, which means they need proper maintanance in order to survive the beating.. and more maintanance than any other motor i've known.

hence the reason each and every person I know who's had an RX7 (including plenty of customers) all say its a love hate relationship -- when it works, its golden.. when it doesnt, its hell. kinda like going out with an anorexic supermodel who likes to have lots of sex.. the ups and downs, how fun.

i'll agree to most of that. my friend has his 2nd gen turbo II fully built though, his best run is 11.69 on drag radials and race gas. they can push crazy amounts of power, but if you do it wrong(run lean, small ports creating hotter air) then you will blow the motor in no time. in naturally aspirated trim they can last a damn long time if properly maintained though, as allready said. i was thinking more along just a street ported 13b, probably close to 200whp and extreme lightness/simplicity. it was more of a dicking around thing then anything. 1st gen rx-7 would make much more sense to build then put the engine in a 240. for simplicity's sake i say for the the s14 sr20 de and build it.

[91CRXsiR]

Originally Posted by old_s13

kinda like going out with an anorexic supermodel who likes to have lots of sex.. the ups and downs, how fun.

wheres the down??

[HaLo]

I like wankels... I just don't trust them for my everyday racing car.

Honestly, I would be happy with 200whp, without LAG... but it's pretty expensive on a NA car

[wootwoot]

i think you could get what you want out of a mildly tuned vq30de, it seems like it'd be pushing it extremly hard on a sr20de

[wootwoot]

eh, f it. just go crazy and drop an s2000 drivetrain or rotary in there. thats the only way where i can see the power made will be worth it. otherwise to much weight for the power and things of that sort. a n/a rotary is extremly reliable. hell, the turbo versions are as long as they are tuned by someone who isnt incompetent.

[HaLo]

S2000 drivetrain would be SICK... too bad it's so expensive and a lot of custom work is involved..

Now Tomei has been know to pull 260 ps out of a crazy tuned s14 sr20de so anything is possible.

[atom]

The 250PS was from a S13 SR20DE IIRC.

http://www.tweakit.net/shop/product_...roducts_id=120

it comes with TB size up to 52mm. 1100 AUD is only 775 USD.

[brianglawson]

www.jgycustoms.com i bought my sr20t there great shop and i think they will ship, the actually put an s14 srde in a model A ford once

[HaLo]

True!!!
It was from a HIGHLY tuned S13-DE.. hmmm makes you think.

[proj240sx]

vtc isnt all bad like people make it seem. really unless your going to some crazy ass cams, vtc is your friend. anyway halo im in pretty much the same situation. crapped out s14 sr, no job, full time college crap, and it makes me think about making something N/A. but then i slap myself and say no. yeh it would be fun to have a sr20de, but save your sr20det, take your time rebuilding it with good stuff, and put it back in. and no im not hating on DEs, i just like DETs more.

[HaLo]

hmmm very interesting..,a bit on the expensive side, since no ecu or maf are included.

[HaLo]

at 5000$ cdn rebuild cost, might as well forget it.