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ka24deturbo · 10-19-2005, 12:13 PM

Hey guys I was just wondering if there would be a market for these parts made in titanium? I know there is a group buy for aluminum driveshafts but would there be a benefit to having them made from titanium? Price would probably be in the area of $450-$500 shipped

I'm also thinking about importing a couple of titanium manifolds & titanium downpipes for the SR/KA/CA/RB would there be an interest? I don't want to import parts that won't sell if you know what I mean. Price is about $350 for manifold & downpipe set.

I just wanted to get some info. and what everybody thought about these products. The products would have a 1 year replacement warranty against defects including cracked welds which covers shipping of the replacement parts. I'm also willing to let someone that's known from these forums test these products like a mod or someone appointed by this sites users.

Mods: I'm planning on doing a group buy as soon as I open up a paypal business account. If this post is against any rules I apologize and please feel free to lock or delete it.

*ManoNegra* · 10-19-2005, 03:47 PM

How much research have you done on this? Seems to me, and I'm no expert, that Titanium is an expensive and difficult metal to work on... aka. much dinero. Am I missing something?

ka24deturbo · 10-19-2005, 04:07 PM

As far as what research? On the actual product? Let me know what you need to know and I can get the information for you, but I have imported parts with this company before so I do know they are a reliable company. They supply a few other companies here in the United States.

Feel free to post or PM me some questions that you have about the product and I'll ask the manufacturer. They usually get back to me within a couple of hours if not faster due to the time differences.

I'll have some pictures of the manifold & downpipe tomorrow, as far as the driveshafts I'll have to ship a stock driveshaft to them to have a prototype made. I'd just need to know if people would be interested so I don't waste time and money shipping such a heavy item.

oneviaman · 10-19-2005, 04:32 PM

if you can get me a titanium manifold and downpipe for my ka for only 350 you got a customer. a 12ft length of 2 inch titanium pipe is like 500 dollars. and thats just one pipe. make intercoller pipes for a ka24de(t) and those should sell nice if they are priced nicely

A Spec Products · 10-19-2005, 04:46 PM

good luck

titanium is dope as hell but convincing a 240 owner (who is usually on a budget to put it mildly) to pay for it is the hardest part.

we already have our lineup of titanium manifolds and full catback in R&D (for Evo 8). our titanium cat delete pipes are already on the market (for Evo 8) as well.

as for 240sx applications, i'm not sure whether or not the market supports it.

ka24deturbo · 10-19-2005, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by A Spec Products

good luck

titanium is dope as hell but convincing a 240 owner (who is usually on a budget to put it mildly) to pay for it is the hardest part.

we already have our lineup of titanium manifolds and full catback in R&D (for Evo 8). our titanium cat delete pipes are already on the market (for Evo 8) as well.

as for 240sx applications, i'm not sure whether or not the market supports it.

It's good to hear from an insider regarding this, I really appreciate your time. I also agree with you as far as pricing goes which is why I negotiated pricing of these parts to the lowest price possible.

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Originally Posted by oneviaman

if you can get me a titanium manifold and downpipe for my ka for only 350 you got a customer. a 12ft length of 2 inch titanium pipe is like 500 dollars. and thats just one pipe. make intercoller pipes for a ka24de(t) and those should sell nice if they are priced nicely

I'm already importing an RB manifold & downpipe to test out on my own car & an SR manifold/downpipe for another 240sx owner at the end of this month. I don't think anyone makes bov flanges out of titanium so unless they do then I don't think it's worth looking into.

S13FREEAAK · 10-19-2005, 04:55 PM

I sent you a pm.

chmercer · 10-19-2005, 05:35 PM

the hell is the point of a titanium driveshaft. that makes no sense.

ka24deturbo · 10-19-2005, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by chmercer

the hell is the point of a titanium driveshaft. that makes no sense.

LOL I have no clue I just wanted to get feedback to see if there was a market for it.

*Jeff240sx* · 10-19-2005, 06:02 PM

Titanium doesn't weld like stainless or aluminum. So, mix-and-matching flanges onto aluminum or steel piping is stupid.
Get pics of said pieces. Because the material is expensive, and the welding takes specialized knowledge and materials. And more time than most other metals. So.. without pics, I'll dub them "Phantom Manifold Ti".
-Jeff

ka24deturbo · 10-19-2005, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff240sx

Titanium doesn't weld like stainless or aluminum. So, mix-and-matching flanges onto aluminum or steel piping is stupid.
Get pics of said pieces. Because the material is expensive, and the welding takes specialized knowledge and materials. And more time than most other metals. So.. without pics, I'll dub them "Phantom Manifold Ti".
-Jeff

I'm working on the pictures........I should have them by tomorrow. I'll also have an actual unit by the first week of November so I can see/test it out for myself. I still want another person who can supply an in-dept review of the manifold at no cost to the tester of course depending on their credentials.

This is all pending if people would think this is a good idea or not.

BaliLover · 10-19-2005, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ka24deturbo

I'm working on the pictures........I should have them by tomorrow. I'll also have an actual unit by the first week of November so I can see/test it out for myself. I still want another person who can supply an in-dept review of the manifold at no cost to the tester of course depending on their credentials.

This is all pending if people would think this is a good idea or not.

Is it a good idea? Possibly if they are manufactured correctly, but the $350 pricetag for manifold and downpipe is scary to me since thats SS autochrome's prices too. Ti is lighter than steel and stronger than Aluminum so its probably a good choice for a manifold which is typically heavy. I don't know what Ti's thermal capabilities are before it gets brittle. With so many cheaper manifold cracking and falling apart, brittleness is a concern of mine.

That being said, I'd be willing to test one out for you and give an in depth review of fitment, performance, quality, longevity, etc. Send me a PM and I'll provide some credentials to you.

ka24deturbo · 10-19-2005, 11:14 PM

As far as finding someone to get these tested; this is my idea so I'm not just sending parts to any nobody here willing to test parts and get them for free so I'm thinking the tester pays $150 for the unit and after that person tests it and writes a review I'll reimburse them that amount, that way you have to write the review in order to get your money back for working.

Even if the review is a bad review you'll still get your money back I just want to make sure it's someone that knows how to write a review of parts and trusted within this community. Any other suggestions guys? I have an open mind when it comes down to things like this so just let me know what your thinking.

95KA-Turbo · 10-19-2005, 11:46 PM

I'd be interested in a KA set (as long as you mean turbo). I'd be more than happy to test out one of those...but I'd like to see some of your credentials as well, I don't want to send out 150 bucks and get ripped myself. If you have some photos of the products that would help a lot.

Also, perhaps a company name so we could cross check your info or something along those lines. Hell, I'll test out a drive shaft too, haha

.

Thanks
Stephen

A Spec Products · 10-19-2005, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff240sx

Titanium doesn't weld like stainless or aluminum. So, mix-and-matching flanges onto aluminum or steel piping is stupid.
Get pics of said pieces. Because the material is expensive, and the welding takes specialized knowledge and materials. And more time than most other metals. So.. without pics, I'll dub them "Phantom Manifold Ti".
-Jeff

awww sad

we have our full ti mufflers that comes with a stainless flange that bolts to the titanium flange side. i thought that was cool, helps the budget ballers out.

ka24deturbo · 10-19-2005, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by A Spec Products

awww sad

we have our full ti mufflers that comes with a stainless flange that bolts to the titanium flange side. i thought that was cool, helps the budget ballers out.

I think Jeff was reffering to welding the two metals together. Bolting a flange made of different material is perfectly fine. I was kind of confused but I may still be confused, shine some light on this comment for us Jeff.

Flybert · 10-20-2005, 12:24 AM

If you need someone to test a titanium stock location SR manifold, I am your man. I would say there are a lot of people on here that trust my opinion on performance products because I trash the shit out of my car at the track every month. This stuff needs to be track proven to be worth a damn and I can do that testing. Email me by clicking my SN if you are interested in sending a mani on my way.

I can also test the titanium driveshaft if you go through with it. I have a hypermax single that will beat the shit out of it and really test it's strength.

ka24deturbo · 10-20-2005, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Flybert

If you need someone to test a titanium stock location SR manifold, I am your man. I would say there are a lot of people on here that trust my opinion on performance products because I trash the shit out of my car at the track every month. This stuff needs to be track proven to be worth a damn and I can do that testing. Email me by clicking my SN if you are interested in sending a mani on my way.

I can also test the titanium driveshaft if you go through with it. I have a hypermax single that will beat the shit out of it and really test it's strength.

Flybert I've seen your posts before and your right these should be tested on a track and since your in L.A. my 2nd home your on board for testing 100% if your willing to cover my terms. The driveshaft is getting more response so it's possible I might go through with it.

the head · 10-20-2005, 08:38 AM

are there going to be any top mount manifolds built for SR applications?

***S14DB*** · 10-20-2005, 10:39 AM

I still can't believe you can sell Ti for that cheap. I'm interested in the KA mani and DP just for the price alone. More info!

ka24deturbo · 10-20-2005, 11:34 AM

Hey guys I made a boo boo, now just so you know this product was pitched to me as being full titanium. I was surprised myself when they gave me the price compared to the stainless manifolds. As a matter of fact it's titanium plate now maybe scottie can tell us if this is still worth looking into because I still want to get my RB manifold.

However, they can make full ti manifolds and I'm going to negotiate pricing with them and minimum qty. because they want me to purchase 100pcs. and I'm not sure there are enough people that would buy these. I'm sure price will be a factor in the decision so I'll do my best. I'll still post pics of the ti plated manifolds just so you guys can see the quality of the welds and pipes.

I'm not going to offer the testing program anymore because now we know it's not full titanium. Pending price I would still like someone to test out the full titanium manifold but I'd like to change the terms a little bit.

A little info. about titanium that I pulled off of another website:

Titanium has a melting point of 1660 +/- 10°C, boiling point of 3287°C, Pure titanium is a lustrous white metal with low density, high strength, and high corrosion resistance. It is resistant to dilute sulfuric and hydrochloric acids, moist chlorine gas, most organic acids, and chloride solutions. Titanium is as strong as steel, but it is 45% lighter. The metal is 60% heavier than aluminum, but it is twice as strong.

Titanium is important for alloying with aluminum, molybdenum, iron, manganese, and other metals. Titanium alloys are used in situations where lightweight strength and ability to withstand temperature extremes are required (e.g., aerospace applications).

This is a stock mount SR manifold

This is the top mount RB manifold

3" Turbo dump

***S14DB*** · 10-20-2005, 11:44 AM

So this is like a Ceramic coating using Titanium instead of Aluminum?

What would be the total cost of the KA Mani+DP set?

ka24deturbo · 10-20-2005, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S14DB

So this is like a Ceramic coating using Titanium instead of Aluminum?

What would be the total cost of the KA Mani+DP set?

Exactly what it is. Price would be $300 shipped for the set, but I'm not selling these until I start the group buy per Zilvia.net rules. I still want to get us some titanium manifolds since this was the main objective of this entire post. Let me get the prices on these you never know it still can be affordable.

*Jeff240sx* · 10-20-2005, 12:19 PM

That RB manifold looks poorly designed. The long wg runner, with a 90* bend in it, is boost-creep city. I'd still like to see a KA manifold. The SR design looks pretty solidly SSA-style routing. Not saying that's bad at all, because DC Sports and some other company took that routing, too.
-Jeff

SR240DET · 10-20-2005, 04:41 PM

how does TI coating benefit the manifold it self? will it last longer than stainless...? i dont know how to ask this kind of questions... but could you list a simple small list of pros and cons of TI coating over say.... a stainless steel manifold or ceramic coating manifold?

SimpleS14 · 10-20-2005, 05:08 PM

Something is up if the manifold is so cheap.

Mike Wazowski · 10-21-2005, 08:44 AM

Oh great... titanium coated SSAutocracks. Just look at that manifold. It was SSA written all over it. Go find a picture of an SSA and put this one side by side. Runners are exactly the same. Has the exact same support brackets. Exact same flange. Made by Ming (sp?) Header out of Taiwan. This titanium coating is BS in my opinion and it's way too cheap if true.

And if titanium coating was such a good idea then why hasn't it been used for years in racing applications? People have been using aluminum-ceramic coatings for ages on exhaust parts for a reason.

As far as I know titanium is not that lustrous either as seen in those pictures.

Victor

Mike Wazowski · 10-21-2005, 09:06 AM

I also find it entertaining that the thread author does not even know the benefits of titanium yet is debating whether to do a group buy on a titanium driveshaft.

And if he had done any market research, there is very little market if any. Most 240SX owners as I've seen on all these boards work on a budget, a low to medium budget. Very few have high budgets and those would be the ones to attract to buy an aluminum driveshaft.

A GReddy full titanium exhaust is about $1049.00 MSRP and can be had at some dealers for around $800.00 shipped. We are talking a thin-walled 80mm titanium tubing. There is no way a solid titanium driveshaft could cost anywhere near $450.00-$500.00 shipped. You are talking huge bucks for such piece and likely more than what a person with a high budget would even spend. A carbon driveshaft from ACPT is already around $1000.00 and very few people even run those units.

Victor

Mike Wazowski · 10-21-2005, 09:22 AM

But I am running one of these aluminum-ceramic coated so I could be a bit biased and be totally bullshitting.

ka24deturbo · 10-21-2005, 09:32 AM

Your right Victor, I should have done more research on the product but that's why I wanted to get people's opinions about the idea of doing it, I'm not trying to make a ton of money on this I'm just trying to get my parts too and since the price was in my range I'm sure others can afford it as well. I'm not trying to hold anything back so I'm not going to say I'm a professional at doing research about the product because then I'd own a company or atleast making big bucks selling stuff like this right, give me a break I just thought it would be a great idea since most of us including myself are budget racers.

The parts may be similar to SSAUTO but and correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think every single SSAUTO manifolds cracked or had issues? I actually have an SSAUTO manifold that cracked on me but look you get what you pay for right? Plus the company has that replacement guarantee, which makes me feel much better but then again I'm the only person here that can trust them.

10-19-2005, 12:13 PM	#1
ka24deturbo Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: West Coast Age: 47 Posts: 339 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Titanium driveshafts & manifolds for Nissan 240sx SR & KA Hey guys I was just wondering if there would be a market for these parts made in titanium? I know there is a group buy for aluminum driveshafts but would there be a benefit to having them made from titanium? Price would probably be in the area of $450-$500 shipped I'm also thinking about importing a couple of titanium manifolds & titanium downpipes for the SR/KA/CA/RB would there be an interest? I don't want to import parts that won't sell if you know what I mean. Price is about $350 for manifold & downpipe set. I just wanted to get some info. and what everybody thought about these products. The products would have a 1 year replacement warranty against defects including cracked welds which covers shipping of the replacement parts. I'm also willing to let someone that's known from these forums test these products like a mod or someone appointed by this sites users. Mods: I'm planning on doing a group buy as soon as I open up a paypal business account. If this post is against any rules I apologize and please feel free to lock or delete it.

10-19-2005, 04:46 PM	#5
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10-19-2005, 06:02 PM	#10
Jeff240sx I hate you too... Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tampa, FL Age: 42 Posts: 5,828 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Jeff240sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Titanium doesn't weld like stainless or aluminum. So, mix-and-matching flanges onto aluminum or steel piping is stupid. Get pics of said pieces. Because the material is expensive, and the welding takes specialized knowledge and materials. And more time than most other metals. So.. without pics, I'll dub them "Phantom Manifold Ti". -Jeff __________________ Whatup?

10-20-2005, 08:38 AM	#19
the head Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: in a dark room mastering the art of typing with one hand Posts: 2,164 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	are there going to be any top mount manifolds built for SR applications? __________________ I never knew you could do that with an eggplant

10-20-2005, 10:39 AM	#20
*S14DB* AFC #1 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 昨晩あなたのお母さんの家 Posts: 20,181 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I still can't believe you can sell Ti for that cheap. I'm interested in the KA mani and DP just for the price alone. More info! __________________ Comments should be taken as Opinions not as Statements of Fact

10-19-2005, 03:47 PM	#2
ManoNegra Guild of Skullduggerous Intent Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Socal Posts: 7,841 Trader Rating: (48) Feedback Score: 48 reviews	How much research have you done on this? Seems to me, and I'm no expert, that Titanium is an expensive and difficult metal to work on... aka. much dinero. Am I missing something?

10-19-2005, 04:07 PM	#3
ka24deturbo Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: West Coast Age: 47 Posts: 339 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	As far as what research? On the actual product? Let me know what you need to know and I can get the information for you, but I have imported parts with this company before so I do know they are a reliable company. They supply a few other companies here in the United States. Feel free to post or PM me some questions that you have about the product and I'll ask the manufacturer. They usually get back to me within a couple of hours if not faster due to the time differences. I'll have some pictures of the manifold & downpipe tomorrow, as far as the driveshafts I'll have to ship a stock driveshaft to them to have a prototype made. I'd just need to know if people would be interested so I don't waste time and money shipping such a heavy item.

10-19-2005, 04:32 PM	#4
oneviaman Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: oakland park,fl Age: 40 Posts: 103 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	if you can get me a titanium manifold and downpipe for my ka for only 350 you got a customer. a 12ft length of 2 inch titanium pipe is like 500 dollars. and thats just one pipe. make intercoller pipes for a ka24de(t) and those should sell nice if they are priced nicely

10-19-2005, 04:55 PM	#7
S13FREEAAK Drifterella Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 2,435 Trader Rating: (14) Rides Gallery: S13FREEAAK Feedback Score: 14 reviews	I sent you a pm.

10-19-2005, 05:35 PM	#8
chmercer BANNED Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: texas! Age: 39 Posts: 3,288 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	the hell is the point of a titanium driveshaft. that makes no sense.

10-19-2005, 11:14 PM	#13
ka24deturbo Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: West Coast Age: 47 Posts: 339 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	As far as finding someone to get these tested; this is my idea so I'm not just sending parts to any nobody here willing to test parts and get them for free so I'm thinking the tester pays $150 for the unit and after that person tests it and writes a review I'll reimburse them that amount, that way you have to write the review in order to get your money back for working. Even if the review is a bad review you'll still get your money back I just want to make sure it's someone that knows how to write a review of parts and trusted within this community. Any other suggestions guys? I have an open mind when it comes down to things like this so just let me know what your thinking.

10-19-2005, 11:46 PM	#14
95KA-Turbo Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: LA Age: 39 Posts: 3,402 Trader Rating: (19) Feedback Score: 19 reviews	I'd be interested in a KA set (as long as you mean turbo). I'd be more than happy to test out one of those...but I'd like to see some of your credentials as well, I don't want to send out 150 bucks and get ripped myself. If you have some photos of the products that would help a lot. Also, perhaps a company name so we could cross check your info or something along those lines. Hell, I'll test out a drive shaft too, haha . Thanks Stephen

10-20-2005, 12:24 AM	#17
Flybert Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: none Posts: 3,862 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	If you need someone to test a titanium stock location SR manifold, I am your man. I would say there are a lot of people on here that trust my opinion on performance products because I trash the shit out of my car at the track every month. This stuff needs to be track proven to be worth a damn and I can do that testing. Email me by clicking my SN if you are interested in sending a mani on my way. I can also test the titanium driveshaft if you go through with it. I have a hypermax single that will beat the shit out of it and really test it's strength.

10-20-2005, 11:34 AM	#21
ka24deturbo Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: West Coast Age: 47 Posts: 339 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ooops! Don't let this discourage you. Hey guys I made a boo boo, now just so you know this product was pitched to me as being full titanium. I was surprised myself when they gave me the price compared to the stainless manifolds. As a matter of fact it's titanium plate now maybe scottie can tell us if this is still worth looking into because I still want to get my RB manifold. However, they can make full ti manifolds and I'm going to negotiate pricing with them and minimum qty. because they want me to purchase 100pcs. and I'm not sure there are enough people that would buy these. I'm sure price will be a factor in the decision so I'll do my best. I'll still post pics of the ti plated manifolds just so you guys can see the quality of the welds and pipes. I'm not going to offer the testing program anymore because now we know it's not full titanium. Pending price I would still like someone to test out the full titanium manifold but I'd like to change the terms a little bit. A little info. about titanium that I pulled off of another website: Titanium has a melting point of 1660 +/- 10°C, boiling point of 3287°C, Pure titanium is a lustrous white metal with low density, high strength, and high corrosion resistance. It is resistant to dilute sulfuric and hydrochloric acids, moist chlorine gas, most organic acids, and chloride solutions. Titanium is as strong as steel, but it is 45% lighter. The metal is 60% heavier than aluminum, but it is twice as strong. Titanium is important for alloying with aluminum, molybdenum, iron, manganese, and other metals. Titanium alloys are used in situations where lightweight strength and ability to withstand temperature extremes are required (e.g., aerospace applications). This is a stock mount SR manifold This is the top mount RB manifold 3" Turbo dump

10-20-2005, 11:44 AM	#22
*S14DB* AFC #1 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 昨晩あなたのお母さんの家 Posts: 20,181 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	So this is like a Ceramic coating using Titanium instead of Aluminum? What would be the total cost of the KA Mani+DP set? __________________ Comments should be taken as Opinions not as Statements of Fact

10-20-2005, 12:19 PM	#24
Jeff240sx I hate you too... Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tampa, FL Age: 42 Posts: 5,828 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Jeff240sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	That RB manifold looks poorly designed. The long wg runner, with a 90* bend in it, is boost-creep city. I'd still like to see a KA manifold. The SR design looks pretty solidly SSA-style routing. Not saying that's bad at all, because DC Sports and some other company took that routing, too. -Jeff __________________ Whatup?

10-20-2005, 04:41 PM	#25
SR240DET Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: orida Posts: 1,490 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	how does TI coating benefit the manifold it self? will it last longer than stainless...? i dont know how to ask this kind of questions... but could you list a simple small list of pros and cons of TI coating over say.... a stainless steel manifold or ceramic coating manifold?

10-20-2005, 05:08 PM	#26
SimpleS14 Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Philly Age: 42 Posts: 9,185 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: SimpleS14 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Something is up if the manifold is so cheap.

10-21-2005, 08:44 AM	#27
Mike Wazowski Leaky Injector Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Somewhere Posts: 94 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Oh great... titanium coated SSAutocracks. Just look at that manifold. It was SSA written all over it. Go find a picture of an SSA and put this one side by side. Runners are exactly the same. Has the exact same support brackets. Exact same flange. Made by Ming (sp?) Header out of Taiwan. This titanium coating is BS in my opinion and it's way too cheap if true. And if titanium coating was such a good idea then why hasn't it been used for years in racing applications? People have been using aluminum-ceramic coatings for ages on exhaust parts for a reason. As far as I know titanium is not that lustrous either as seen in those pictures. Victor

10-21-2005, 09:06 AM	#28
Mike Wazowski Leaky Injector Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Somewhere Posts: 94 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I also find it entertaining that the thread author does not even know the benefits of titanium yet is debating whether to do a group buy on a titanium driveshaft. And if he had done any market research, there is very little market if any. Most 240SX owners as I've seen on all these boards work on a budget, a low to medium budget. Very few have high budgets and those would be the ones to attract to buy an aluminum driveshaft. A GReddy full titanium exhaust is about $1049.00 MSRP and can be had at some dealers for around $800.00 shipped. We are talking a thin-walled 80mm titanium tubing. There is no way a solid titanium driveshaft could cost anywhere near $450.00-$500.00 shipped. You are talking huge bucks for such piece and likely more than what a person with a high budget would even spend. A carbon driveshaft from ACPT is already around $1000.00 and very few people even run those units. Victor

10-21-2005, 09:22 AM	#29
Mike Wazowski Leaky Injector Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Somewhere Posts: 94 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	But I am running one of these aluminum-ceramic coated so I could be a bit biased and be totally bullshitting.

10-21-2005, 09:32 AM	#30
ka24deturbo Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: West Coast Age: 47 Posts: 339 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Your right Victor, I should have done more research on the product but that's why I wanted to get people's opinions about the idea of doing it, I'm not trying to make a ton of money on this I'm just trying to get my parts too and since the price was in my range I'm sure others can afford it as well. I'm not trying to hold anything back so I'm not going to say I'm a professional at doing research about the product because then I'd own a company or atleast making big bucks selling stuff like this right, give me a break I just thought it would be a great idea since most of us including myself are budget racers. The parts may be similar to SSAUTO but and correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think every single SSAUTO manifolds cracked or had issues? I actually have an SSAUTO manifold that cracked on me but look you get what you pay for right? Plus the company has that replacement guarantee, which makes me feel much better but then again I'm the only person here that can trust them.