Titan V8 in a 240

the ls7 is pretty impressive

[ch1873857]

and pretty expensive. eh..whatever, if moneys not i thing to you guys go for it.

[codyace]

Originally Posted by ch1873857

to each his own. a vh in its stock form matches or beats an ls1..

Crack kilsl kid. Where do you find this info from? LS1 is a 300/300 engine....proven time and time and time and time and time again.


Nice little thread on a local forum of LS1's and what they can do stock bottom end:
http://www.lvimports.net/showthread.php?t=1914

Originally Posted by ch1873857

so no it does not make more power than the VH stock. the estimated HP ratings for the motor are without VTC.

What? They dyno the engine, and give you hp. Quit believing yourself.

Originally Posted by ch1873857

since when are LS1s cheap?

Seen them an dtrannys go for as low as 2500...and you can find them cheaper if you search hard enough.

Originally Posted by ch1873857

ive never doubted the ls1. id do if it nissan didnt make a superior V8 to the ls1 (stock)

What does superior mean to you? The only engine that out powers it is the Titan V8...and BTW they are huge, heavy, and well expensive.

Originally Posted by ch1873857

and i do agree that the ls1 is cheap but you are talking big money for a swap. all i was trying to say is that a vh swap can be had for much cheaper. also have a hard time believing an 8 cylinder aluminum engine is lighter than a 4 cylinder aluminum engine...

Cheap doens't make it better.

Believe it. Look up weights.

Originally Posted by ch1873857

why spend a few grand on a motor when you can spend a few hundred on a motor and build the shit out of it for the same price? eh? thats just me.

Because total cost in the end will probabyl be the same, and the LS1 will still have more power potential.

Originally Posted by ch1873857

theres a guy on here that just did a vh swap. he made his motor mounts using a shitty flux core welder. fit just fine, just use your head.

No duh. Been around here a while myself. Not EVERYONE has a mig welder.

Originally Posted by ch1873857

a hack eh? well, dont know about you but i use a torch EVERY time i TIG weld. idiot. yeah..you know what your talking about.

Torch weldding to me, means using a torch and braze rod. Sorry, next time explain yourself better. I still believe you to be a hack.

Originally Posted by mRclARK1

I don't know how you figure that. LS1 crate motor weight is 390lbs. + T56 tranny (courtesy of google at 120ish depending on exact model) comes out to 510lbs. IIRC SR+tranny is about 480ish.

Truth. Just engine weighs less. My fault there

Originally Posted by ch1873857

I'm NOT saying that the extra 30 lbs of that combo nullifies it's obvious power advantages over the SR, both taken in stock form.

300 hp/300 ft lbs vs 220/220....yea 30 lbs could be saved by taking the tire and seats out hehe.

Originally Posted by trust187

I don't know about you guys but 317 hp and 385 lbs of torque from the vk56 is pretty impressive to me . They even have 700hp titans out there in N/A form so I believe the vk can compete.

700 hp N/A? Please please please show me graphs of that monster if even real.

I know of a very prominent Nissan tuner that has had success, but nearly that much (or at least to my knowledge) A cammed LS1 still puts out as much power.

Originally Posted by rb20det180sx

the ls7 is pretty impressive

Very true, but out of the price range of everyone. For the cost of the ls7 you could build a monster ls1 that makes 700+ hp

[JRas]

V8 240SX:

http://www.mouseattack.org/240sx15.htm

[trust187]

i dont have any dynos but here http://www.nissannews.com/events/nis...02095614.shtml if this counts as proof at all.

[ch1873857]

god this thread has been a waste of time. yep 2500..real cheap. id rather buy another 240 and rebuild the KA. thats right the ls1 is the answer to everything, lets not do something more creative and original. blow me.

in the end i really dont give a shit what motor you favor. im not even a VH guy i would just rather stick to nissan motors and nissan parts. if i want a v8, i'll go to the vh because its more power than i'll ever need in a DD. I would rather build a 1.8l 4 cylinder motor and see how much i can get out of that. because saying you have a 3 or 400hp 1.8l 4 cylinder is more impressive to me. shit i'll stick to something lighter than the ka and the sr. thats why i said to each his own. i dont feel like arguing anymore. this turned into one pointless bitchfest and has gone no where. its like a KA, SR argument..woopy doo.

[codyace]

Originally Posted by trust187

i dont have any dynos but here http://www.nissannews.com/events/nis...02095614.shtml if this counts as proof at all.

Then there is a high compression race motor that lasts one race and one race only. I knew of the Off Road program (and they mention another big Nissan engine specialist in the artcile) having awesome hp, but we'll never EVER see one of those in an S chassis....nor would that be cheap to create. Gratned stock VK56 cams are WIMPY, it would be much easier to make that HP with the LSx engine, have much more longevity, and be cheaper.

Originally Posted by ch1873857

god this thread has been a waste of time. yep 2500..real cheap.id rather buy another 240 and rebuild the KA.

I think you're brand loyalty and lack of knowledge abotu LSx's are overwhelming

Lets play this scenario

You get a KA, and build it. Looking at what? 1000 for pistons and rods, another 100 in bearings, 100 in misc stuff, 100 in head studs, 150-250 in machine work...so you have 1600 dollars into an engine that still puts out 130 whp N/A. That leaves you with 900 (2500 for ls1 - 1600 for KA) to start making power. You get a turbo (we'll say a t3/t4 to be cheap) and a manifold...and yo've already spent the same about of money as an LS1 and still make 130 whp, vs the 300 you could have with the LS1 (wow, 170 MORE hp for the same cost so far).

Now you say, who cares, lets factor in ALL of the turbo stuff for the KA...intercooler, EMS, exhaust, hardware etc etc....you're looking to spend what? 5000ish to 7000 bucks (if not more) for a car than can handle 500ish HP barely on pump.

Now we'll do reverse math again. 6000 for that KA turbo build, and you ahve 3500 left over for the LS1. You spend 1800 of that on a heads/cam package, another 400ish for the install, 400ish for the LS1edit and harness, and another 200 for the driveshaft mods....and you still have considerable money left over. Why not put a n2o kit and spray yourself a nice 100 shot and make 600 hp. Wow, all day everyday, on pump.

So in the end, you'll spend the same amount of money to do it properly, and still be slower than the oldschool LSmofuggin1.

Originally Posted by ch1873857

thats right the ls1 is the answer to everything, lets not do something more creative and original. blow me.

An LS1 not creative? I wasn't ware that they were everywhere. Again, learn more about the LSx before pushing it off as Old American V8 mullet junk...as thats the worst thing you could do. Be open to all brands and all engines...

Originally Posted by ch1873857

in the end i really dont give a shit what motor you favor. im not even a VH guy i would just rather stick to nissan motors and nissan parts. if i want a v8, i'll go to the vh because its more power than i'll ever need in a DD.

I respect brand loyalty. Im' a Ford guy. You don't see me campaigning for a Mod motor to sit in an S chassis do ya?

I love my SR20. It makes great power. I'd rather have done it LS1 style tho now that I know about LS1 power.

Originally Posted by ch1873857

I would rather build a 1.8l 4 cylinder motor and see how much i can get out of that. because saying you have a 3 or 400hp 1.8l 4 cylinder is more impressive to me.

Equally to me. I have exactly that sitting in my 240. I don't for one second think it's more reliable than an LS1.

Originally Posted by ch1873857

shit i'll stick to something lighter than the ka and the sr. thats why i said to each his own.

What would be lighter, and make equal power in the S chassis? Enlighten me here.

Originally Posted by ch1873857

i dont feel like arguing anymore. this turned into one pointless bitchfest and has gone no where. its like a KA, SR argument..woopy doo.

I dissagree. This was a thraed where you said something, I've proven you wrong, and you've basically said you'd be more brand loyal than performance oriented.

Again, Im' abotu abotu the ultimate performance out of a platform. I love my car, and believe it's a great example of a awesome street/track/strip/all around car...but I respect the fact that I could have done it better with a high strung all aluminum v8 torque monster.

KA vs SR is one thing, but arguing that Nissan offers a V8 that rivles an LSx engine is silly.


We have a little saying, and it applies to everything in life: "Dare to be different, but never in the sake of just because" In essence, be different if it's better, not because it's NOT what everyone else is doing.

No harm no foul bud, just trying to open your eyes to the total package concept.

[ch1873857]

you completely mmissed my point. whatever .i admit, the ls1 is a great motor, ive said it before, but do i have to be open to all motors? do i have to like the ls1 over the vh45 because its better? no.. and your whole scenario is complete bullshit but im not even going to get into that. and no. ls1 to me is no longer creative. they are putting them in everything these days. ive enough ls1 240s that it doesnt impress me anymore. if you havent figured it out, im a CA guy. which from at least 4 sources have found that its lighter than the SR and the SR and the LS1 are about the same weight.. if you think you are right again, prove me wrong again. are you enlightened yet? are you done? and dont worry my eyes are open. like i said i accept the ls1, i would just chose a different motor. something wrong with that?

[delphis]

Originally Posted by codyace

It makes more power than any Nissan swap stock, it weighs less than the sr20,

It weighs less than the KA not the sr.

[ch1873857]

the sr weighs less than the ka..

[codyace]

Originally Posted by ch1873857

you completely mmissed my point. whatever

What is your point? YOu mentioned the Vh45, said it was equal to the LS1. It's not.

Originally Posted by ch1873857

do i have to like the ls1 over the vh45 because its better?

Here's a better scenario for you, as this is how you sound:

You're at the bar, you've got a really hot girl talking to you, and a heffer talking to you, and both want to rock your world. THis is pure action, and nothing else. You decide that you're going to take the heffer home and do her, over the hot girl, because it's different, just because.

I'm not trying to make fun of you, just trying to see what you're point is. Different is one thing, but chooseing something that will cost as much, and NOT perform as well is...well about as smart as my scenario.

Originally Posted by ch1873857

no.. and your whole scenario is complete bullshit but im not even going to get into that.

That's like saying a movie sucks, just because. Why. Total package>Inferior package. My car isn't setup for top end at all, and neither are most 2871r .64 cars...but then again with slicks they outrun most bigger turbos at the track.

Again, overall package/response > fanboi hp. You stick a V8 under the hood, and you've got a torque plataue and HP to boot.

Originally Posted by ch1873857

and no. ls1 to me is no longer creative. they are putting them in everything these days. ive enough ls1 240s that it doesnt impress me anymore.

Creative? How many LS1 240's do you actually see. I bet there are under 20. That's rare. Ther are more Veyrons than LS1 240s.

And have you ever though that ls1 swaps were popular because they are a great engine?

If you want to be different with a car, paint it neon green.

Originally Posted by ch1873857

if you havent figured it out, im a CA guy. which from at least 4 sources have found that its lighter than the SR and the SR and the LS1 are about the same weight.. if you think you are right again, prove me wrong again.

So you'd rather take a 20year old boat anchor engine, with hardly any support, because it weighs 10-20 lbs less? I'd rather run around the block 2 times, take a dump, and save that weight that way.

....I'm not getting into a CA vs anythign debate, as it would be a huge waste of this forums time.

Originally Posted by ch1873857

are you enlightened yet? are you done? and dont worry my eyes are open.

You've not really proved anything substantial to me yet.

Originally Posted by ch1873857

like i said i accept the ls1, i would just chose a different motor. something wrong with that?

Not at all. I only asked why you'd put a VH45 in over a LS1, as there isn't a single PRO to the VH45 except a lower intial cost. In the end, they all cost the same.

Lets see if we can bring the technical side of this debate back, use the enter key when you type paragraphs, and not resort to name calling. I'm just trying to learn how you're arguement would prove to be better, but can't see anything better out of it, other than being different...and again, if you want to be different, go skydive with no pants on.

[Daniel.]

I would just like to say that Cody, you have definitely "brought the tech". Great posts.

I would also like to see ch1873857 provide more facts and less name calling...

[Kn1ves]

Nobody mentioned the fact that it with the same amount of money put into a Turbo KA vs LSx swap there is one major difference that tips the weigh of the scale in favor of the LSx even more.

Two words.

Smog legal.

[codyace]

Originally Posted by Kn1ves

Nobody mentioned the fact that it with the same amount of money put into a Turbo KA vs LSx swap there is one major difference that tips the weigh of the scale in favor of the LSx even more.

Two words.

Smog legal.

Well to an extent...

It would smog clean, that's for sure...but the whole visual aspect, and tampering with emissions setup would be an odd battle right?

I've got no clue how it would work in CA, but I know in PA the car would fail visual and OBD check, as no s chassis ever came with a ls1 in them...

[GSXRJJordan]

^^ cody, I wish I could rep every one of your posts. You're right on the money.

And LS6 > LS2 >LS1 ... fuck the LS7... rich bastards and their $90k c6s... I'm not bitter though.

In CA if the motor is newer than the motor you pulled out, and is legal in whatever car it comes in, it'll be a legal motor swap. For the record, LS1 swaps are LEGAL in CA. Just have to take the car to the ref and show VINs/etc, and have it pass the sniffer.

[ch1873857]

what the hell? i never called anyone any names? stop kissing ass spiderman, give me more rep..who cares?

So you'd rather take a 20year old boat anchor engine, with hardly any support, because it weighs 10-20 lbs less? I'd rather run around the block 2 times, take a dump, and save that weight that way.

....I'm not getting into a CA vs anythign debate, as it would be a huge waste of this forums time.

who cares about support? get creative. just because it says it made for something else doesnt mean it wont work. theres plenty of support. it doesnt necessarily have to say made for the CA. shit i could make half the parts i'll ever need, but i can chose my own motor, and do what i want.besides i can get any stock part from my local dealer doesnt matter how old it is. dont say shit about an engine and not expect to start a debate.

and whats this about i want to do it just because. to be different? i enjoy opening up a thread and seeing something that has never be done before. you can tell someone was thinking a little.

and yes that is why i would chose the vh over the ls1. its nissan, i have at least 10k worth of factory nissan parts, gaskets, random shit to sort through for whatever i need. it would be cheaper. cheaper over all. not just initially. at least for me and the way i do things. simplify it, fabricate everything i can, find the best deals. its worked for years for me. and thats the way i choose to do things.

appearently you dont accept that. you seem to think there is something wrong with me thinking like that. you dont even know me and have gotten the wrong idea of me.

You've not really proved anything substantial to me yet.

i was more or less talking about the engine weight thing. you made a comment about enlighting you.

im not going to go post a bunch of weights because they arent exactly the same but the all show the about the same pattern. CA is lightest of the engines mentioned in this thread and not by just 20lbs. is also about position. sits way back in the bay. if i got creative i could move it back at least another 3 inches before it hit the fire wall. substantial enough for me. but thats right we arent getting into that

Smog legal.

2 words i dont have to worry about. sorry california.

[What is your point? YOu mentioned the Vh45, said it was equal to the LS1. It's not.

you have to remember id only use it for a DD, a good reliable V8. i dont necessarily need something thats good for 900hp or whatever. especially at the price it is. an ls1 is expensive. our DD vh45 total cash spent is looking under 1k and thats for freshened up, rebuilt engine, transmission, and all of the engine management. ok, so im a hack, is that not allowed on zilvia? is it ok to save money?

and for them being equal power wise? eh..its hard to tell. as you say an ls1 is a 300/300 motor ive seen as low as 270/270 and as high as 320/320 for supposedly stock swaps. as for the vh. its about a 275/275 motor. and heres a dyno i will throw in


this was done with 103* air temps, VTC turned off, and a mild tune. so i mean in my eyes they are equal powerwise..so thats why i said that. but that wasnt my point. i was merely trying to tell you that, the vh is just a personal preference of mine and you should accept that. not tell me im wrong and convince me otherwise.

[slos14]

my buddys ls14 is a bad bitch an it still stock for the most part for now im sorry but you cant beat a lsx motor .

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u...cket/00013.jpg

[LB.Motoring]

I love the weight battle between motors,

Who cares?

We all know your a fatass, and your gf weighs more than a tanker,


Get a prius to daily, and build a whatever v8 track car.

[ch1873857]

^thats crazy..ive seen it before. i love the lsx motors.

i have a question though. you ls1 freaks might be able to answer.

say you need to go get your car smogged or what ever you need to do. say the say, 1996 240sx and run the test. are they going to test it to the emissions standards of the KA or just a standard benchmark. of course an ls1 would pass in a camaro or something but would it matter on make and model? im from a state that just has yearly inspections and thats it so i dont know. i was always curious though. i know the one guy said it was smog legal but is a 240sx with an ls1 smog legal?

[blknismo180]

so if im gettin this right... an LS1 is the best V8 swap because it is easy,cheap, and it is well established as a swap.....and the Vk is also good... but since there is so much work that needs to be done it makes it not so good....?

[trust187]

did you happen to read the parts about "The Titan CORR Pro-2 entry features a 715-horsepower, 5.6-liter V8 stock block engine with 510 lb-ft of torque at 6,000 rpm, redlining at 8,200 rpm. Unlike many race engines, the block, cylinder heads, cam covers, water pump, main bearings, rod bearings, and ignition coils are all stock Titan components. The engine was prepared by Menards Engine Development. " Did you notice it mentions all those parts are stock ? After hearing all you have to say about LS1's what do you know about VK56's ?? And you said LS1 that can put out 700 hp just with a cam?

[SexPanda]

Originally Posted by trust187

did you happen to read the parts about "The Titan CORR Pro-2 entry features a 715-horsepower, 5.6-liter V8 stock block engine with 510 lb-ft of torque at 6,000 rpm, redlining at 8,200 rpm. Unlike many race engines, the block, cylinder heads, cam covers, water pump, main bearings, rod bearings, and ignition coils are all stock Titan components. The engine was prepared by Menards Engine Development. " Did you notice it mentions all those parts are stock ? After hearing all you have to say about LS1's what do you know about VK56's ?? And you said LS1 that can put out 700 hp just with a cam?

Wow. Times like this I wish I was filthy rich...

And if anyone can prove that an LS1 can get to 700hp with nothing but a cam, please do so. That sounds fishier than someone saying they can prove Paris Hilton is a virgin.

[GSXRJJordan]

^^^ The LSx community sees mods a little different than we do - to them, just having "a cam" means you have stock heads and stock internals. What that still allows for is valves/springs/pushrods/porting/headers/exhaust/tuning.

I've personally seen an automatic, convertible Firebird (think 3800lbs with driver) lift the front wheels coming off the line (he was running MT 10" slicks on the back) and turn a high 10sec 1/4 - with "just a cam". He estimated 600whp - and about $2000 in aftermarket mods. That's called bang for your buck kids.

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

Originally Posted by SexPanda

I believe the engine wouldnt fit, ive read about this. Its DOHC, as apposed to cam in block or anything. Its too wide, if i remember right.

And why do that? You can pick up a used chevy 350 for half the cost.

You are right about half the cost but if ur gonna swap a v8 into a 240 might aswell keep it in tha family.

[GSXRJJordan]

^^^ people keep saying "keep it in the family" like the fact that the VH's are Nissans makes them any easier to swap ~ the VH swap is harder than the LSx swap, morons.

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

Originally Posted by GSXRJJordan

^^^ people keep saying "keep it in the family" like the fact that the VH's are Nissans makes them any easier to swap ~ the VH swap is harder than the LSx swap, morons.

no one said anything about it being easier.by me saying keep it in the family i mean dont go and ruin your 240 by swaping a american v8.No offense to u ls guys out there i just feel that swapping american 2 japanese isn't cool.

[mmdb]

i just feel that swaping american 2 japanese isn't cool.

\

This comment is disturbing.

[codyace]

Originally Posted by trust187

did you happen to read the parts about "The Titan CORR Pro-2 entry features a 715-horsepower, 5.6-liter V8 stock block engine with 510 lb-ft of torque at 6,000 rpm, redlining at 8,200 rpm. Unlike many race engines, the block, cylinder heads, cam covers, water pump, main bearings, rod bearings, and ignition coils are all stock Titan components. The engine was prepared by Menards Engine Development. " Did you notice it mentions all those parts are stock ? After hearing all you have to say about LS1's what do you know about VK56's ?? And you said LS1 that can put out 700 hp just with a cam?

But they're not telling you about their crazy ass cams, head parts, pistons, tune, crank, tune, intake, exhaust, etc etc.

You find any other ones than the Factory backed RACE engine, and I'll believe you more. Not hating, just wanting to see.

Originally Posted by GSXRJJordan

^^^ The LSx community sees mods a little different than we do - to them, just having "a cam" means you have stock heads and stock internals. What that still allows for is valves/springs/pushrods/porting/headers/exhaust/tuning.

Truth....only because putting a cam in an LS1 has got to be the easiest cam job in the world. Spin up, lock the lifters. Insert Cam. Spin again, have fun

Originally Posted by GSXRJJordan

I've personally seen an automatic, convertible Firebird (think 3800lbs with driver) lift the front wheels coming off the line (he was running MT 10" slicks on the back) and turn a high 10sec 1/4 - with "just a cam". He estimated 600whp - and about $2000 in aftermarket mods. That's called bang for your buck kids.

That's the best part about them...but brand loyal and kids that don't know won't ever think about that...

One of my good friend's little brother has a STOCK engine (with some spray), and a somewhat built 4L60e tranny (not very good) that doesn't shift into 2nd without lifting the throttle...dynoed 440 whp (yea I know weak)


It runs 10.7's ALL DAY LONG. (more info: www.sloppymechanics.com)

Originally Posted by GSXRJJordan

^^^ people keep saying "keep it in the family" like the fact that the VH's are Nissans makes them any easier to swap ~ the VH swap is harder than the LSx swap, morons.

Granted I've never swapped either, but that's the impression I've been under this whole time. I can't see how it would be harder in anyway at all!

Originally Posted by rb25_s13*CHUKI

no one said anything about it being easier.by me saying keep it in the family i mean dont go and ruin your 240 by swaping a american v8.No offense to u ls guys out there i just feel that swaping american 2 japanese isn't cool.

Again, I used to be that way. Then I realized that if you want the ultimate 'total package' car, that you'll need to look elsewhere for parts. I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that there isn't a consumer based (non race engine)Nissan engine out there that will perform as well as as the LSx family. Heck, even the GM race program is sick...look at the KATECH Alms cars..

If you're so car loyal, why not hate on any swaps in USDM cars...it's not what they came with!

Originally Posted by ch1873857

who cares about support? get creative. just because it says it made for something else doesnt mean it wont work.

Why get creative for something that won't be nearly as fun as a cheaper and easier setup? Getting creative means dropping in a 300 inline 6 ford, or a BMW engine, or A Rotary. NOT a CA18.

Originally Posted by ch1873857

theres plenty of support. it doesnt necessarily have to say made for the CA. shit i could make half the parts i'll ever need, but i can chose my own motor, and do what i want.

I know this. I'm in a similar situation. I make good power on a proven setup, much cheaper, and am much happier.

Originally Posted by ch1873857

besides i can get any stock part from my local dealer doesnt matter how old it is. dont say shit about an engine and not expect to start a debate.

You can get CA18 parts at a local Maryland dealer? I know I can't get tham at my local dealer!

Originally Posted by ch1873857

and whats this about i want to do it just because. to be different? i enjoy opening up a thread and seeing something that has never be done before. you can tell someone was thinking a little.

So can I when I see an LS1 car. I think "Wow, he must want a really strong car" or "Wow, that car is going to be an animal" or similar.

Im' younger than you are, but can admit that I'm tired of seeing 'different' stuff JUST BECAUSE. I've learned through life experiences to do things because they work.

Want proof?





Turbo Altima...I did this back in highschool. Different? You bet cha! Cheaper than selling the car, buying a Sentra SE-R, and turbocharging that to make more reliable power? NOT AT ALL.

Originally Posted by ch1873857

and yes that is why i would chose the vh over the ls1. its nissan, i have at least 10k worth of factory nissan parts, gaskets, random shit to sort through for whatever i need.

My dad owns a pretty prominent local repair shop. I've got access to whatever parts I need through our accounts, and jobber pricing. I'd still not pick an engine because it can be done cheaper.

Originally Posted by ch1873857

it would be cheaper. cheaper over all. not just initially. at least for me and the way i do things. simplify it, fabricate everything i can, find the best deals. its worked for years for me. and thats the way i choose to do things.

I'm glad you're a DIY man, as I'm exactly the same way (except when it comes to transmissions...I just get them fixed by professionals). However to me, I factor in all of that time 'mocking up' and 'designing' into my total cost. To me, I'd rather buy a 100 dollar part, than spend 6 hours of my life trying to duplicate it to not spend anymoney. Lazy? Eyh, maybe a part of it...

Originally Posted by ch1873857

im not going to go post a bunch of weights because they arent exactly the same but the all show the about the same pattern. CA is lightest of the engines mentioned in this thread and not by just 20lbs. is also about position. sits way back in the bay. if i got creative i could move it back at least another 3 inches before it hit the fire wall. substantial enough for me. but thats right we arent getting into that

I'm fairly versed in how engine placement can change things, and I don't see 2 to 3 inches making any sort of noticable improvement in the car, except in the impossble to work on department.

Originally Posted by ch1873857

you have to remember id only use it for a DD, a good reliable V8. i dont necessarily need something thats good for 900hp or whatever. especially at the price it is. an ls1 is expensive. our DD vh45 total cash spent is looking under 1k and thats for freshened up, rebuilt engine, transmission, and all of the engine management. ok, so im a hack, is that not allowed on zilvia? is it ok to save money?

Post a parts and price list to the public then?

[quote=ch1873857;1499791]and for them being equal power wise? eh..its hard to tell. as you say an ls1 is a 300/300 motor ive seen as low as 270/270 and as high as 320/320 for supposedly stock swaps. as for the vh. its about a 275/275 motor. and heres a dyno i will throw in


Being that hundreds, if not thousands more LSx's have been dynoed, I'm taking the average. There was a guy the other week on the one forum with 190,000 miles stock Formula that made 295,292 Impressive for a nearly 200,000 engine.

Originally Posted by ch1873857

personal preference of mine and you should accept that. not tell me im wrong and convince me otherwise.

You can like whatever you want, but for this boards sake (and the technical aspect of the forum), I think we'd all like you to prove us on how a vh is better.

[ch1873857]

wow. dude im done. you just told me how we are different. that means nothing to me. the ca18 swap is not creative but getting it to reach my goals with limited support? you gotta get creative. you misunderstood me.

and yes the CA18 is in an usdm motor also, just in non turbo form. you can get parts at your local dealer, you just say you cant.

also the 2 or 3 inches, was 2 or 3 inches more.. you made it sound like i said 2 oe 3 inches more than other engines.

oh well im done arguing. i told you what i thought and how i felt and you told me what you thought. yay...

[steve shadows]

just buy a car taht was built around the V8 by a team of engineers

There is absolutley nothing wrong with that, in fact Ill probably own something like a new GTO for funs sake in the future.

Will I keep my s13? probably for a while, its my preferrence, the way the car handles and balances with the SR is the way

I prefer the s13 to drive. Ive driven RB cars around tracks and SR, and prefer the SR hands down in the S-chasis. V8? No not really.

I dont understand the logic though.

Drive a muscle car.

Even if you do a V8 your not going to be different.

Nothing , NOTHING is different anymore.