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lmananT · 03-28-2007, 01:02 PM

Man the turbo looks so bad, I wouldn't even think about selling it. Just give the man back his money.

!Zar! · 03-28-2007, 01:04 PM

Umm.

Guys...

That's a s14'k's/s15 spec-r w/auto tranny. Turbo

lmananT · 03-28-2007, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !Zar!

Umm.

Guys...

That's a s14'k's/s15 spec-r w/auto tranny. Turbo

You got facts to back that up?

!Zar! · 03-28-2007, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmephistopheles

So folks, I figure that while I'm pink I may as well be useful.
Here's a quick EDU regarding S14 and S15 turbines, and how to tell them apart.

First, here's your part numbers:
'S14' turbo: 14411-69F00
'S15' turbo: 14411-75F00

Here's an 'S14' turbine.
This turbine came on S14 K's and S15 Spec-Rs with automatic transmissions.

Inlet:

Outlet:

Part number:

Here's an 'S15' turbo. These came only on S15 Spec-R with manual transmission.

Inlet:

Outlet:

Part number:

As you can see, they're nearly identical in construction. The face of the compressor housing has the same markings, even.
The housing do have slight differences in their castings, and other small details. The greatest difference between them is the presence of a divider wall in the outlet of the S15 Spec-R MT turbine.
This is the greatest giveaway (besides part number).

Quote:

Originally Posted by online source

Jap PS13 14411-50F00
AU/NZ S14 (pre-facelift) 14411-75F00
AU/NZ S14 (facelift) 14411-75F00

Jap S14 (pre-facelift) 14411-69F00
Jap S14 (facelift) 14411-82F01
Jap S14 (Autech/270R) 14411-RP801 (Same as S15 early MT turbo)
Jap/ NZ S15 (early*) 14411-91F00 Manual model only
Jap/ NZ S15 (early*) 14411-69F00 Automatic models

Jap/ NZ/ AU S15 late* 14411-75F00 Same as NZ S14 and same for both Auto and manual

What's the difference between S14 and S15 SR Turbos?

Damn. I straight bombed this thread like iraq.

lmananT · 03-28-2007, 01:15 PM

car wash!!!! l8ez~

!Zar! · 03-28-2007, 01:18 PM

Um...

No.

Because it is a s15 turbo.

It just happens to have been used on a s14.

irax · 03-28-2007, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by khoadogg

The buyer knew it could use a rebuild.

no no no no.... there is a BIG difference between COULD USE a rebuild and ABSOLUTELY NEEDS a rebuild. YOU CLEARLY used the wrong words. Because that turbo ABSOULTELY NEEDS a rebuild. If I saw those picture I would of backed out of the sale.

'could use a rebuild' implies that the overal condition of the internals of the part is unknown but the visibily there isn't anything decernable. May leak oil internaly, but has all fins there.

'ablsolutely needs a rebuild' implies that condition of the internals is known to be faulty or bad IE chunks mission out of the fins, leaks oil externaly

DP_Michelle G · 03-28-2007, 01:21 PM

^^ Refund what it's still an s15 turbo. it's just not a spec r

lmananT · 03-28-2007, 01:23 PM

ahha ok...u win bro...ne wayz...car wash l8ez!!!have fun disputing i tried? haha

lmananT · 03-28-2007, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irax

no no no no.... there is a BIG difference between COULD USE a rebuild and ABSOLUTELY NEEDS a rebuild. YOU CLEARLY used the wrong words. Because that turbo ABSOULTELY NEEDS a rebuild. If I saw those picture I would of backed out of the sale.

'could use a rebuild' implies that the overal condition of the internals of the part is unknown but the visibily there isn't anything decernable. May leak oil internaly, but has all fins there.

'ablsolutely needs a rebuild' implies that condition of the internals is known to be faulty or bad IE chunks mission out of the fins, leaks oil externaly

you guys should see it in person...it looks worst!

yea man just refund it doode...you'd want a refund if this happened to you...

khoadogg · 03-28-2007, 01:31 PM

[QUOTE=lmananT]Man the turbo looks so bad, I wouldn't even think about selling it. Just give the man back his money. [QUOTE]
quit vouching for your friends

using the work "implies" itself is up for debate which nullifies your post. Its still an S15 turbo and i told him it is not a specR turbo. buy a cartdridge for $300 and have a $350 fresh turbo. $150 for an S15 reflected the condition of it

!Zar! · 03-28-2007, 01:32 PM

Bah.

I don't even see why this thread is still open.

Dude came in with two things.

1 being that the turbo wasn't off a s15.
Just proven wrong.

2nd being that it needs to be rebuilt.
He was told it needs to be rebuilt.

Now wtf is this even being disputed?

California has no cooling off period.

So all you can do is take your loss or whatever and deal with it.

Don't come around trying to be a buster because you're regretting what you bought.

irax · 03-28-2007, 01:34 PM

it is the turbo he says it is, but it is deffinatly not in the condition he said it is. A center cartridge would include the fins and gaskets so it would be fine. But thats about $400 cost thrugh one of my suppliers (i sell rebuilt stock US SPEC turbos) a total cost of 550 still isnt bad for what becomes a brand new turbo. If I was the guy I would keep it, but at the same time I would have been patient enough to see pics first. After seen pics I only would buy it still but at like 100 shipped. But If I did not have access to parts and rebuilders thrugh my job I would not of bought it if I knew that it NEEDED to be rebuilt. Like I said could use a rebuild would make me feel like I can run it for like 5-6 months before rebuilding it.

koukie180 · 03-28-2007, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !Zar!

Bah.

I don't even see why this thread is still open.

Dude came in with two things.

1 being that the turbo wasn't off a s15.
Just proven wrong.

2nd being that it needs to be rebuilt.
He was told it needs to be rebuilt.

Now wtf is this even being disputed?

California has no cooling off period.

So all you can do is take your loss or whatever and deal with it.

Don't come around trying to be a buster because you're regretting what you bought.

now you did posted pics and of the sort to show, but how can you tell me that this specific turbo actually came off of a s15, it couldve be taken off s14 for all i kno correct?

and btw this is not a rebuild. its buying everything new and replace. the word rebuild means replacing gaskets, seals, or rebuilding what is there already. but this is like replacing everything, and might as well as a new turbo.

i do appreciate the fact you posted pics tho, that somewhat helps, but the part numbers already show the same.

i don't care if this is california or nevada or florida, money is money, and i'll stand for what i believe in.

Quote:

Don't come around trying to be a buster because you're regretting what you bought.

don't be a hypocrite and say something that contradicts your own actions. everyone in their lifetime regret something that they bought for certain reasons.

Quote:

buy a cartdridge for $300 and have a $350 fresh turbo. $150 for an S15 reflected the condition of it

lol the center cartidge is worth at least $500, iono where you got $300 from. not only its just that $500, but you gotta buy new seals and gaskets. and ~$500 is not so far from $650 for a brand new s15 turbo.

CKAMC · 03-28-2007, 03:44 PM

To back up Mel even more and what Kevin took effort into... screen shots from the parts catalog

womenbeshoppin · 03-28-2007, 04:12 PM

damn, Dousans intense.

Wei240 · 03-28-2007, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by koukie180

~$500 is not so far from $650 for a brand new s15 turbo.

so when is a brand new s15 turbo for 650, links?

koukie180 · 03-28-2007, 05:22 PM

thas my hook up price. not for you

Wei240 · 03-28-2007, 05:27 PM

then you should just buy it then, 650 is cheap for s15 t28 new

and especially when you knew it's a busted non spec r turbo, why bother messing around...

koukie180 · 03-28-2007, 08:23 PM

haha isn't that too late already. im over it. it took me whole two days to get my car running again and i went back to stock t25. i even upgraded to 550cc and z32 mafs w/ new ecu tune. but this turbo is more than just a rebuild in IMO, so in turn i can't use it. after all this i aint even gonna take my turbo off again for another 6 months. forget it... im too tired.

khoadogg · 03-29-2007, 12:38 PM

offered buyer a refund of $100 but he has decided to keep the turbo. I still believe nothing wrong and he got a deal on the turbo. moderators please close this thread!

koukie180 · 03-29-2007, 07:57 PM

haha here is what i paid for.. good deal huh? lol oh well, i took it apart for learning experience. if you or anyone who's gonna buy from khoa in the future, make sure you think twice. this turbo is oviously beyond rebuild or replacement of parts for that matter.

thas the turbine wheel with shaft, turbine cover plate, and center cartridge looking at turbine side.

turbine wheel all chewed up, i thot it was bad jus looking at from the outside, but the inside is even worse.

whatever went through the turbo ate the groove of the main seals and destroyed it.

thas the turbine cover plate, with plenty of grinded sh*t and dirty oil

center cartridge, check out the journal inside that holds the ball bearings, bunch of little balls fell out when it took out the shaft.

side shot

wow, check out that turbine housing, you think u can reuse that after its been grinded down?

steve shadows · 03-29-2007, 08:32 PM

whats more amazing and sad than anything is that anyone would buy any turbo for 150 bucks regardless of rebuild or not....

I mean IMO if you didnt get the s15 turbo off the clip or in great shape to begin with its worthless.

I start from 2871R .64 housing and go from there, I dont even want to see a t25 again ever, t28 even BB, bah, screw that.

I cant even follow this dispute but thats my .02 random cents.

ps. you guys are arguing about a bottm mount oem used pile of crap, and between s14 , 15 bb, they are the same fucking turbo. its a GT2860R...

thats what it fucking is, not a space shuttle, just a good ole BB 60 trim based t28 turbine housing bottm mount internal gated pile of vrap.

what the hell is going on here?

khoadogg · 03-29-2007, 08:59 PM

i'm refunding his money, that turbo sux ass. the rebuild and part number dispute didn't do it but that condition is beyond a simple cartridge fix or part number argument. please send it back! I apologize again

koukie180 · 03-30-2007, 04:50 PM

alrite so i sent a request for refund through paypal, lets see if mr. khoadogg keeps his words.

koukie180 · 04-08-2007, 08:15 PM

still waiting....

Ian · 04-08-2007, 08:41 PM

it mighta not gotten there yet

Inland180 · 04-08-2007, 09:05 PM

buyers mistake by buying a used turbo in "might need rebuild" status.
but mainevent212 might be right...he might have not received the turbo yet. stop crying over $150 like you said.. take it as a learning experience on buying used turbos!!

bloodangels13 · 04-08-2007, 10:20 PM

i say you took the damn thing apart you bought it... i wouldnt have offered you a refund........ y buy used? save your money and buy new instead of hoping the old ass turbo isnt ganna take a shit while your driving down the road

lsauto.com has the best price ive seen avail to the general consumer

spdfreek0o · 04-09-2007, 08:22 AM

There is only slight differences between gt2560, gt28r, s14 t28, and s15 t28. You would not notice a differnce in performance at all.

03-28-2007, 01:04 PM	#32
!Zar! Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,579 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	Umm. Guys... That's a s14'k's/s15 spec-r w/auto tranny. Turbo __________________

03-28-2007, 01:18 PM	#36
!Zar! Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,579 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	Um... No. Because it is a s15 turbo. It just happens to have been used on a s14. __________________

03-28-2007, 01:31 PM	#41
khoadogg Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Age: 41 Posts: 2,423 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	[QUOTE=lmananT]Man the turbo looks so bad, I wouldn't even think about selling it. Just give the man back his money. [QUOTE] quit vouching for your friends using the work "implies" itself is up for debate which nullifies your post. Its still an S15 turbo and i told him it is not a specR turbo. buy a cartdridge for $300 and have a $350 fresh turbo. $150 for an S15 reflected the condition of it __________________ AIM SoarinStrong[B]STRONG 6iX[B] RB single turbo ///Work AMKREAD 180sx

03-28-2007, 01:32 PM	#42
!Zar! Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,579 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	Bah. I don't even see why this thread is still open. Dude came in with two things. 1 being that the turbo wasn't off a s15. Just proven wrong. 2nd being that it needs to be rebuilt. He was told it needs to be rebuilt. Now wtf is this even being disputed? California has no cooling off period. So all you can do is take your loss or whatever and deal with it. Don't come around trying to be a buster because you're regretting what you bought. __________________

03-28-2007, 01:34 PM	#43
irax Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Diego Age: 41 Posts: 4,249 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	it is the turbo he says it is, but it is deffinatly not in the condition he said it is. A center cartridge would include the fins and gaskets so it would be fine. But thats about $400 cost thrugh one of my suppliers (i sell rebuilt stock US SPEC turbos) a total cost of 550 still isnt bad for what becomes a brand new turbo. If I was the guy I would keep it, but at the same time I would have been patient enough to see pics first. After seen pics I only would buy it still but at like 100 shipped. But If I did not have access to parts and rebuilders thrugh my job I would not of bought it if I knew that it NEEDED to be rebuilt. Like I said could use a rebuild would make me feel like I can run it for like 5-6 months before rebuilding it. __________________ Drives a BRZ and is building a V6 S12 coupe.

03-28-2007, 01:02 PM	#31
lmananT Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: socal Posts: 44 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Man the turbo looks so bad, I wouldn't even think about selling it. Just give the man back his money.

03-28-2007, 01:15 PM	#35
lmananT Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: socal Posts: 44 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	car wash!!!! l8ez~

03-28-2007, 01:21 PM	#38
DP_Michelle G Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Anaheim/OC Age: 42 Posts: 666 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^^ Refund what it's still an s15 turbo. it's just not a spec r

03-28-2007, 01:23 PM	#39
lmananT Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: socal Posts: 44 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ahha ok...u win bro...ne wayz...car wash l8ez!!!have fun disputing i tried? haha

03-28-2007, 03:44 PM	#45
CKAMC Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Desert Age: 38 Posts: 4,804 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	To back up Mel even more and what Kevin took effort into... screen shots from the parts catalog __________________

03-28-2007, 04:12 PM	#46
womenbeshoppin Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Orange county Age: 37 Posts: 614 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	damn, Dousans intense.

03-28-2007, 05:22 PM	#48
koukie180 Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: SoCal Age: 40 Posts: 212 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	thas my hook up price. not for you

03-28-2007, 05:27 PM	#49
Wei240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: socal Posts: 1,778 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	then you should just buy it then, 650 is cheap for s15 t28 new and especially when you knew it's a busted non spec r turbo, why bother messing around...

03-28-2007, 08:23 PM	#50
koukie180 Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: SoCal Age: 40 Posts: 212 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	haha isn't that too late already. im over it. it took me whole two days to get my car running again and i went back to stock t25. i even upgraded to 550cc and z32 mafs w/ new ecu tune. but this turbo is more than just a rebuild in IMO, so in turn i can't use it. after all this i aint even gonna take my turbo off again for another 6 months. forget it... im too tired.

03-29-2007, 12:38 PM	#51
khoadogg Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Age: 41 Posts: 2,423 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	offered buyer a refund of $100 but he has decided to keep the turbo. I still believe nothing wrong and he got a deal on the turbo. moderators please close this thread! __________________ AIM SoarinStrong[B]STRONG 6iX[B] RB single turbo ///Work AMKREAD 180sx

03-29-2007, 07:57 PM	#52
koukie180 Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: SoCal Age: 40 Posts: 212 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	haha here is what i paid for.. good deal huh? lol oh well, i took it apart for learning experience. if you or anyone who's gonna buy from khoa in the future, make sure you think twice. this turbo is oviously beyond rebuild or replacement of parts for that matter. thas the turbine wheel with shaft, turbine cover plate, and center cartridge looking at turbine side. turbine wheel all chewed up, i thot it was bad jus looking at from the outside, but the inside is even worse. whatever went through the turbo ate the groove of the main seals and destroyed it. thas the turbine cover plate, with plenty of grinded sh*t and dirty oil center cartridge, check out the journal inside that holds the ball bearings, bunch of little balls fell out when it took out the shaft. side shot wow, check out that turbine housing, you think u can reuse that after its been grinded down?

03-29-2007, 08:32 PM	#53
steve shadows Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: LA and OC Posts: 8,202 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	whats more amazing and sad than anything is that anyone would buy any turbo for 150 bucks regardless of rebuild or not.... I mean IMO if you didnt get the s15 turbo off the clip or in great shape to begin with its worthless. I start from 2871R .64 housing and go from there, I dont even want to see a t25 again ever, t28 even BB, bah, screw that. I cant even follow this dispute but thats my .02 random cents. ps. you guys are arguing about a bottm mount oem used pile of crap, and between s14 , 15 bb, they are the same fucking turbo. its a GT2860R... thats what it fucking is, not a space shuttle, just a good ole BB 60 trim based t28 turbine housing bottm mount internal gated pile of vrap. what the hell is going on here? __________________ Like Me on FaceBook !

03-29-2007, 08:59 PM	#54
khoadogg Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Age: 41 Posts: 2,423 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	i'm refunding his money, that turbo sux ass. the rebuild and part number dispute didn't do it but that condition is beyond a simple cartridge fix or part number argument. please send it back! I apologize again __________________ AIM SoarinStrong[B]STRONG 6iX[B] RB single turbo ///Work AMKREAD 180sx

03-30-2007, 04:50 PM	#55
koukie180 Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: SoCal Age: 40 Posts: 212 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	alrite so i sent a request for refund through paypal, lets see if mr. khoadogg keeps his words.

04-08-2007, 08:15 PM	#56
koukie180 Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: SoCal Age: 40 Posts: 212 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	still waiting.... Last edited by koukie180; 04-16-2007 at 01:53 PM..

04-08-2007, 09:05 PM	#58
Inland180 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southern Cali Posts: 1,763 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	buyers mistake by buying a used turbo in "might need rebuild" status. but mainevent212 might be right...he might have not received the turbo yet. stop crying over $150 like you said.. take it as a learning experience on buying used turbos!! __________________ PTE6262 Full-Race Twin Scroll FTW! Feedback LINK

04-08-2007, 10:20 PM	#59
bloodangels13 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Nor VA Age: 39 Posts: 500 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: bloodangels13 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i say you took the damn thing apart you bought it... i wouldnt have offered you a refund........ y buy used? save your money and buy new instead of hoping the old ass turbo isnt ganna take a shit while your driving down the road lsauto.com has the best price ive seen avail to the general consumer