The downfall of men in the US

[FaLKoN240]

Since the late 1970's, young women have soared in college attendance while young men have stagnated. Young men's literacy is declining. Many young men are disengaging from school. Young men are less likely to be valedictorians, to be on the honor roll, and to be active in organizations like student government. Young men are more likely to get D's and F's, to be suspended or expelled from school, to drop out of school, and to commit suicide.

I heard about this on NPR radio while I was in LA, and the whole topic I found pretty engaging.

I thought I'd post this up because Zilvia is a male dominant forum, and since the ages of all the members vary this would be a good discussion topic.

Here's the doctor's website: http://boysadrift.com/home.php

The most recent article: http://www.schoollibraryjournal.com/...CA6472910.html

[Farzam]

Don't judge me.

[bboyt3nsk]

I have heard something about this before.

Nice post, very interesting.

[IIIXziuR]

Originally Posted by Farzam

Don't judge me.

Fuck yes.
I think men are just getting lazier.
I mean its just easier to marry the broads who are getting the good jobs.
Lawlz

[FaLKoN240]

Originally Posted by Farzam

Don't judge me.

I'm not judging anyone, I'm stating a mere study I found interesting. Please don't take this personally.

Originally Posted by IIIXziuR

Fuck yes.
I think men are just getting lazier.
I mean its just easier to marry the broads who are getting the good jobs.
Lawlz

The doctor that wrote this book addressed that as well in the NPR interview I heard.

Forget the fact that most men nowadays are not men, but boys who proudly exchange their testicles for a over-dominant woman that can "bring in the bread." With that said, I dont see the above as a surprise...

Conversely, men such as myself chose NOT to complete school because of the high costs of schooling, lack of interest and disbelief in the school system. I personally believe that many teachers should not be teaching. Teachers are typically underpaid. What am I going to learn from someone who is far from successful? Not that I measure success through earnings, but I think you can learn a lot more from people that your own mentors and influences.

Might as well follow your own life and career, and leave the lemming-work to whoever wants to stay in school.

[ramblux]

ioNo wtF ur tAlKin boUt


I blame the Internet for everything. Seriously. It has made people too lazy to fucking type out complete words and phrases.

[Edgar]

Mike, you are correct.

Its the internetz that have made us like this, and video games.

[FaLKoN240]

I personally suck at school because I am addicted to the internets.

I am currently trying to do hw but taking forever because of Zilvia and gmail.

[Kn1ves]

College is for people without talent.

[yokotas13]

Originally Posted by ixfxi

Forget the fact that most men nowadays are not men, but boys who proudly exchange their testicles for a over-dominant woman that can "bring in the bread." With that said, I dont see the above as a surprise...

Conversely, men such as myself chose NOT to complete school because of the high costs of schooling, lack of interest and disbelief in the school system. I personally believe that many teachers should not be teaching. Teachers are typically underpaid. What am I going to learn from someone who is far from successful? Not that I measure success through earnings, but I think you can learn a lot more from people that your own mentors and influences.

Might as well follow your own life and career, and leave the lemming-work to whoever wants to stay in school.

ding ding

i joined the military, so i could get credible on the job training, and training documentation.
That way, when i retire, i have my retirement pay, as well as all my qualifications frmo aircraft mechanics, and whatever else i cross train into (hopefully media or OSI....like high profile cops)
fuck school IMO.
noone cares these days what your degree is in

[azndoc]

But women are still under paid

I've got bills once its paid then I'll do the school thing and change your mind.

[DRavenS13]

Originally Posted by azndoc

But women are still under paid

Tis true. Women have to work a lot harder for that little extra pay in their check. There are some guys at work that have been here for the same time as I have, and they get paid more. When I used to work at hospitals, I knew guys that did less than I did, and they got paid more there too. The only trade off I think is that women get more leniency when it comes to time off to deal with family issues, or girl issues.

[Vision Garage]

Its not what you know, ITS WHO YOU KNOW! Yes guys get the better end of the stick but thats just how it is i guess. Guys do more physical labor than girls so it balances!

[eastcoastS14]

I think everyone should give college a try if you can afford it....I stayed undeclared and took a lot of classes I was interested in and have learned a lot of great information.FFinally declared as a business management major, and I have a minor in poli sci now too. I just turned 20 so not really in a hurry to get a job. I can say though that in college I think guys are more likely to slack off stay out and party and chase after the girls...while the girls tend to get their work done then go out, and some how still make it to class....i guess college looks good on your resume and ill probably go to grad school too to get my masters, so hopefully ill have that by the time im 23 or 24 and start makin the big bux

[DRavenS13]

SO..... break the cycle. Teach your sons to be responsible men and do for their lives, and stop worrying about chasing tail- until all other important priorities have been met.

Originally Posted by DRavenS13

Tis true. Women have to work a lot harder for that little extra pay in their check.

Either that, or they have to suck a lot of dick to get a head. Wait, I meant to say ahead, sorry.

Funny, I was viewing some HIN videos that my customer took this morning and my wife said "its amazing how sluts like this set women back in life."

Here's a vid, for those curious:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNH3oYOKsSU[/ame]

I absolutely LOVE the dialogue at the beginning of this fucking video:
Girl> I have a cute outfit on...
Random Guy> We don't care, take it off! Just do it dammit! I'm wasting film! Hurry Up!

[trsilvias13]

girls complain, file sexual harassment suits, call IT for help, have maturnity leave, get "stressful" over little things, have "one of those days", call in sick for the little things, have a goal (hours) - all things I observed

Guy - man up - figure stuff out themself, move stuff themself, sick days are for hang over, just work(no goal, just complete the job)

[Vision Garage]

hahaha. Draven you got any opposing arguments?

[mRclARK1]

"Men" today (and actually all people in general really) are lazy. End of story.

[kingsol]

Originally Posted by ixfxi

I personally believe that many teachers should not be teaching. Teachers are typically underpaid. What am I going to learn from someone who is far from successful? Not that I measure success through earnings, but I think you can learn a lot more from people that your own mentors and influences.

Might as well follow your own life and career, and leave the lemming-work to whoever wants to stay in school.

The lemming work to those who stay IN school?! haha! You're logic and facts are out of whack.

Without an education, one is forced to severely limit the number of paths to take in life, left merely with simple interests and, at best, an elementary knowledge of said interest. A degree on the other hand provides flexibility, stability, and assurance when in the job field. Moreover, school will always multiply your possible paths and better equip you for whatever it is you're doing.

I find it very odd to have to justify school and am, quite frankly, shocked by the many negative views on education. More than just the job opportunities, school offers perspective, experience, and the environment necessary for most to progress. And getting a job and being successful will be but a by-product of my time in school, as I have already gained so much from my experiences at the college level.

It is always difficult to convince someone that they're missing out if they've never had that experience, but let me assure you... you're missing out.

[Matej]

Haha the internet has ruined my life, seriously, I used to have hobbies and aspired to be something, now I just browse these stupid forums all day.

[Dirty Habit]

Seriously WTF happened?

We went from:




To:

[Yuri]

Originally Posted by Clean$13

To:

She's cute.

[Kn1ves]

Originally Posted by kingsol

The lemming work to those who stay IN school?! haha! You're logic and facts are out of whack.

Without an education, one is forced to severely limit the number of paths to take in life, left merely with simple interests and, at best, an elementary knowledge of said interest. A degree on the other hand provides flexibility, stability, and assurance when in the job field. Moreover, school will always multiply your possible paths and better equip you for whatever it is you're doing.

I find it very odd to have to justify school and am, quite frankly, shocked by the many negative views on education. More than just the job opportunities, school offers perspective, experience, and the environment necessary for most to progress. And getting a job and being successful will be but a by-product of my time in school, as I have already gained so much from my experiences at the college level.

It is always difficult to convince someone that they're missing out if they've never had that experience, but let me assure you... you're missing out.

So much uncertainty

[steve shadows]

hey whatever I date submissive sided women typically, dominant woman are only good for rough hate sex.

I still watch firefox and shit as loud as possible in public stalls

I also belch when lifting weights with the guys and open the door for the ladies no matter how fat they are.

Knights? what happened to that.

ixfixi your just a complainer too, Im sure your just a patronzing fuck to most people, thats not the trait of true man either.

most guys are boys until they are 30 anyways.

A lot never grow up, god bless all thos faggot pussy hippies in the 60s and 70s for totally imasculating the male society of America and the massive break down in familiy structure in the US, and the rise to whordom (which was masked as feminism) which basically says, "why can't I be a slut too"

Fine be a man, then, you pay the bills, Ill stay home and watch queer eye.

[drifting_changed_mylife]

this says it all but i think they forgot the little emo kid at the very end

[Yuri]

Originally Posted by steve shadows

Knights? what happened to that.

The US never had knights.
The UK still does.
For example:

Originally Posted by kingsol

And getting a job and being successful will be but a by-product of my time in school, as I have already gained so much from my experiences at the college level.

It is always difficult to convince someone that they're missing out if they've never had that experience, but let me assure you... you're missing out.

Yeah, you are right.. you can learn a lot in college, or when you go to get your masters or PHD - assuming you can remember the lessons you were taught and should have learned.

Just because you can remember something for an exam, doesnt mean you have the knowledge 5 or even 10 years from when you learned it - and it doesnt mean you'll even be remotely close to being able to apply it in the REAL WORLD. Especially when you take into consideration the amount of partying and drinking that most college kids are subjected to.

While knowledge is nice, real life experience is more important.

You can go back and fourth, but the reality is we ALL will experience life and become weathered ONE way or another. Its a fact that pretty much every honest and successful person will have to pay taxes, bills, mortgage, food, insurances, etc - and with that comes the fact that we all need to be able to stay afloat.

Its pointless to compare school vs no-school because we all end up in the real world being exposed to the above, and regardless of how much education you've achieved and how brilliant you are - you will be an absolute failure if you cant pay back your loans and work towards a successful future.

Either path is acceptable, as long as you are sharp enough to stay afloat. If your career path needs school, fine - if it doesnt, fine. But there are a lot of individuals who go to school, get their degree(s), have no idea about real life.. and still work a dead-end job taking commands from the boss. Same can apply to uneducated folks, repetitive manual labor is a bitch.

[steve shadows]

repitive manual labor is easy