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[Baka Sama]

Originally Posted by S13SilviaGirl

There are members on this board that are in Iraq at this very moment. They have even been posting pics on here from the sand box. I do understand that there is a lot of ignorance in the world, and he has to understand that making personal attacks on ANY member of this forum are not allowed...hence his banning. He could have said that same shit to you, or anyone else and would have been banned equally.

BULL SHIT

He got banned becuase he spoke his mind to a girl on Zilvia about a military issue and she had a period about it. His post was far from a personal attack. Ive seen worse "attacks" from members and nothing was done about it. Racial comments will get you pinked for a week but talking about the military on Zilvia will get you banned just because A few mods are serving? Give me a break. he never said anything negative about the military to begin with. He said all this talking about supporting our troops was taking away from talking about why we are there. Which is true!

*News Flash* Mods arnt in the right ALL the time!

The row of green squares should tell you other people agree with him.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Dude, you're a conspiracy theorist liberal like the rest. Of course you'd stand up for a coward.

Most of the people on this board are misinformed dumbass kids following what Kanye West's politics are.

By the way, Ron Paul's a useless sack of flesh like pretty much every other politician out there. He's trying to use intellect to prove that cowardly liberals are actually supporting the troops despite actions contrary to that opinion. He's failing, just like every other supposed intellectual making wordy excuses for badmouthing the people who are dying trying to bring a country from the Dark Ages.

[U12Bluebird]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

By the way, Ron Paul's a useless sack of flesh like pretty much every other politician out there. He's trying to use intellect to prove that cowardly liberals are actually supporting the troops despite actions contrary to that opinion. He's failing, just like every other supposed intellectual making wordy excuses for badmouthing the people who are dying trying to bring a country from the Dark Ages.

I guess Pat Buchanan isn't a conservative by your logic.

You disappoint me bro.

On another note, I don't know why people talk about politics on a board like this. Seriously if you want to discuss politics, then do so on a political blog or a board for political issues. I don't know, I guess I'm not so keen on talking about politics on here as much, given the cyclical nature of such. I learned my lesson on here before since it doesn't accomplish much.

[steve shadows]

Well yeah all the republicans against the way the war was formulated are blackballed.

I don’t know the details of all this gay drama, but a vote against continuing the war for another 5-10 years is not necessarily against the Troops.

[ThePenIsMightier]

Originally Posted by U12Bluebird

On another note, I don't know why people talk about politics on a board like this. Seriously if you want to discuss politics, then do so on a political blog or a board for political issues. I don't know, I guess I'm not so keen on talking about politics on here as much, given the cyclical nature of such. I learned my lesson on here before since it doesn't accomplish much.

What did you accomplish by reading this thread, or posting in it for that matter? You aren't as wise as you think.

Originally Posted by supad0rk

Really if you don't get it yet, it's about respect. No political points, no whose right or whose wrong, he or she bull shit, just respect. Would you appreciate it if you were in his or her position and you were being asked all these questions and having all the put on your shoulder simply because you wanted to do what you think is right? If tomorrow some random country decides to invade us do you think that his or her opinion of you questioning what they are doing out there will make a difference whether they decide to save you or not?

Why would I just be silent because it's the "right thing to do"? I don't believe my opinion is particularly insulting. I also know there are many people who share my opinion who won't / aren't here to speak up for themselves.

And about people saying blatantly rude things like "you shouldn't be proud to be in the military", is it really that hard to ignore someone with such ignorant opinions? For some reason you'd think being thick-skinned would come with being a soldier.

And endless, please, there is a forum for your qualms too.

[EndLeSS8]

Originally Posted by ThePenIsMightier

And endless, please, there is a forum for your qualms too.

I think you might of misunderstood my previous post.
Sorry for the long windedness, but this is the jist of my post (Which is indeed relevant to this conversation):

The mods have stated that they banned Baka Sama because of personal attacks to another member of the forum, not because of differences in opinion.

I stated and gave evidence of Chmercer personally attacking other members (in addition to his actions on Marketplace) yet Chmercer was only given a Marketplace ban.

That is why my points are relevant to this discussion.

[Baka Sama]

OMG OMG OMG

Personal Attack!!! Ban Ban Ban!!!

[S13SilviaGirl]

Well, Baka was only gonna be banned for calling Draven a bitch...but, this thread added time onto his sentence.

[mrmephistopheles]

It's not a matter of being RIGHT, it's a matter of keeping users in line.

You don't hold a civil conversation by telling the person you're talking with to 'fuck off', and 'fuck you'.

Why do people take other people's punishment personally?

It's not about who the mods are or what they do or whom they agree/disagree with.



The post made by that particular user implied that there were NO people who 'didn't support the troops' and that 'Supporting the troops' was rhetoric to distract from errors committed and bad policy. That's complete and utter bullshit. Sure, it's a Ron Paul quote, and it's not even in any context (which would change how I view it), but his presentation of the quote without any input on it implies support for it.

The biggest problem is that that user couldn't handle being argued with, and mouthed off unnecessarily.


Remember, this place isn't about politics, it's about cars. If it means we have to close/delete/forbid political threads, so be it. We have an OT forum for people to discuss stuff other than the 240sx and Z, but it's an extended kindness, and not something we HAVE to do.

Also - it's within the administration staff's discretion what threads should be locked or remain open, and these decisions are not subject to second-guessing or question, except within the Zilvia.net staff. Users may air concerns within the Forum Suggestions and Technical Support forum, but using profanity and making accusations is the wrong way to go about it.

[S14DB]

Telling a mod to "shut the fuuuuuuuck up" or calling them "a fuckin tool" will get you banned.

[SiI40sx]

Yeah this is a private forum and unforuntaley the mods CAN (and yes you CAN be) douchebags sometimes. BUT this is where the gayest part comes in, ITS THEIR FORUM!!! YAYY. So what do you do? You be quiet and take it gently and slowly. Are mods opinions always right or at least ethically / politically / or even socially right? NO. But their forum their rules period. Actually when you sign up part of the agreement says something like "a mod can move / lock / delete any thread for any reason" doesnt it? This is zilvia, enjoy!

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by SiI40sx

Yeah this is a private forum and unforuntaley the mods CAN (and yes you CAN be) douchebags sometimes. BUT this is where the gayest part comes in, ITS THEIR FORUM!!! YAYY. So what do you do? You be quiet and take it gently and slowly. Are mods opinions always right or at least ethically / politically / or even socially right? NO. But their forum their rules period. Actually when you sign up part of the agreement says something like "a mod can move / lock / delete any thread for any reason" doesnt it? This is zilvia, enjoy!

Wow, you caught on quick.

[S13SilviaGirl]

Originally Posted by SiI40sx

Yeah this is a private forum and unforuntaley the mods CAN (and yes you CAN be) douchebags sometimes. BUT this is where the gayest part comes in, ITS THEIR FORUM!!! YAYY. So what do you do? You be quiet and take it gently and slowly. Are mods opinions always right or at least ethically / politically / or even socially right? NO. But their forum their rules period. Actually when you sign up part of the agreement says something like "a mod can move / lock / delete any thread for any reason" doesnt it? This is zilvia, enjoy!

Well, that is true. And no we arent always right...and when we realize we are wrong...a lot of us fess up and offer an appology.

Sarcasm isn't appreciated. Don't like it here? Feel free to leave.

[SiI40sx]

Originally Posted by S13SilviaGirl

Well, that is true. And no we arent always right...and when we realize we are wrong...a lot of us fess up and offer an appology.

Sarcasm isn't appreciated. Don't like it here? Feel free to leave.

Is sarcasm ever appreciated? Yeah I do like it here, but I dont like the type of "authority" that runs this place. Feel free to leave? I leave all the time, I go to the top right corner of my firefox and click the little x or sometimes just click on the little x on the tab.

[S13SilviaGirl]

Originally Posted by SimpleS14

S13SilviaGirl - Before you lock this thread...as its going off-topic IMO...I have a question.... who (or what) is your avatar/sig?

Kuromi, she is apart of the Sanrio (hello kitty) charachters. She is fairly new, since 2005.

Originally Posted by SiI40sx

Is sarcasm ever appreciated? Yeah I do like it here, but I dont like the type of "authority" that runs this place. Feel free to leave? I leave all the time, I go to the top right corner of my firefox and click the little x or sometimes just click on the little x on the tab.

That was intended for the majority, at least that is what I intended by the spacing in the post.

[KA24DESOneThree]

I love you guys, lol.

[Diabolical]

Its sad an 04 spoke his mind ( the truth IMO ) and a mod who has a military family got butthurt and used the banhammer.

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Dude, you're a conspiracy theorist liberal like the rest. Of course you'd stand up for a coward.

Most of the people on this board are misinformed dumbass kids following what Kanye West's politics are.

By the way, Ron Paul's a useless sack of flesh like pretty much every other politician out there. He's trying to use intellect to prove that cowardly liberals are actually supporting the troops despite actions contrary to that opinion. He's failing, just like every other supposed intellectual making wordy excuses for badmouthing the people who are dying trying to bring a country from the Dark Ages.

Im an old school conservative against the war does that make me a coward? You as an american disgust me, we need to deport nazis like you.

[steve shadows]

If you guys want to talk politics go on Freshalloy

there are more threads on 911 being an inside job

and Officers in the military too.

its fun but awkward, and ive been followed by the spooks more lol

naw but seriously zilvia is fun

FA is evil

[SimpleS14]

Originally Posted by steve shadows

FA is evil

FA is not 100% evil...I just ignore those threads (like I ignored the ones over here).

Atleast I can post on the 'Hot Chicks' thread over there without too much worry haha


S13SilviaGirl - Before you lock this thread...as its going off-topic IMO...I have a question.... who (or what) is your avatar/sig?

[S13SilviaGirl]

Originally Posted by Diabolical

Its sad an 04 spoke his mind ( the truth IMO ) and a mod who has a military family got butthurt and used the banhammer.

an 04? who?


I am not a mod who has a military family. I am in the military, so yes I take that pretty close to heart...as do the majority of the mods/admins on this site.

[Diabolical]

Originally Posted by S13SilviaGirl

an 04? who?


I am not a mod who has a military family. I am in the military, so yes I take that pretty close to heart...as do the majority of the mods/admins on this site.

Yea? Well I hope you step on a fucking IED and die just like the rest of you loser soldiers. You arent fighting for freedom you cocksucking brainwashed terds, shut the fuck up. You dont get respect from americans, newsflash fucktard 80% of americans are against the war. Why dont you go suck george bushes dick because you basically are already doing that by fighting for an illegal war. THe war is UNCONSITITUITONAL, you probably dont even know what that means but here ill break it down for you.

IT MEANS ITS GOING AGAINST WHAT AMERICA WAS BASED ON, AKA YOUR A FUCKING ANTI AMERICAN RUINING MY COUNTRY YOU FAGGOT BRAINWASHED FUCK

You joined the military because you dont have the brains for college, now you want respect? Respect for joining a pathetic fucking colt and walking around TURBANLAND with an M16 doing nothing? Killing innocents? Fuck you, respect is somebody like me in college making real money and providing to AMERICA. Im going to be helping america while making money and living my life, meanwhile your KILLING our fucking economy with your bullshit war and corrupting our society. Whos the real coward huh? Whos the anti american? You fucking pig.

BTW, im sick of you fucking nazi loving soldiers complaining about the war and how unappreciated you are...dont fucking SIGN up for something then complain about it K? You couldve done the smart thing and went to college but nooo you fucked up because your a braindead FUCKING moron.

WW1 vet: Hero
WW2 vet: Hero
Vietnam draftee: Hereo
War on Terror vet: Dumb fucking redneck piece of shit that deserves 0 respect


Fuck this site, fuck the faggot mods, fuck the brainwashed military fighting for nothing and fuck who ever died for this bullshit war. Good bye you fucking cumshitters.

[VROOOM]

Originally Posted by Diabolical

Yea? Well I hope you step on a fucking IED and die just like the rest of you loser soldiers. You arent fighting for freedom you cocksucking brainwashed terds, shut the fuck up. You dont get respect from americans, newsflash fucktard 80% of americans are against the war. Why dont you go suck george bushes dick because you basically are already doing that by fighting for an illegal war. THe war is UNCONSITITUITONAL, you probably dont even know what that means but here ill break it down for you.

IT MEANS ITS GOING AGAINST WHAT AMERICA WAS BASED ON, AKA YOUR A FUCKING ANTI AMERICAN RUINING MY COUNTRY YOU FAGGOT BRAINWASHED FUCK

You joined the military because you dont have the brains for college, now you want respect? Respect for joining a pathetic fucking colt and walking around TURBANLAND with an M16 doing nothing? Killing innocents? Fuck you, respect is somebody like me in college making real money and providing to AMERICA. Im going to be helping america while making money and living my life, meanwhile your KILLING our fucking economy with your bullshit war and corrupting our society. Whos the real coward huh? Whos the anti american? You fucking pig.

BTW, im sick of you fucking nazi loving soldiers complaining about the war and how unappreciated you are...dont fucking SIGN up for something then complain about it K? You couldve done the smart thing and went to college but nooo you fucked up because your a braindead FUCKING moron.

WW1 vet: Hero
WW2 vet: Hero
Vietnam draftee: Hereo
War on Terror vet: Dumb fucking redneck piece of shit that deserves 0 respect


Fuck this site, fuck the faggot mods, fuck the brainwashed military fighting for nothing and fuck who ever died for this bullshit war. Good bye you fucking cumshitters.

that was uncalled for. some people need to learn when to keep thier mouths shut

[SimpleS14]

Originally Posted by VROOOM

that was uncalled for. some people need to learn when to keep thier mouths shut

+1


that was just unnecessary

[MavericStephenc]

Originally Posted by Diabolical

Yea? Well I hope you step on a fucking IED and die just like the rest of you loser soldiers. You arent fighting for freedom you cocksucking brainwashed terds, shut the fuck up. You dont get respect from americans, newsflash fucktard 80% of americans are against the war. Why dont you go suck george bushes dick because you basically are already doing that by fighting for an illegal war. THe war is UNCONSITITUITONAL, you probably dont even know what that means but here ill break it down for you.

IT MEANS ITS GOING AGAINST WHAT AMERICA WAS BASED ON, AKA YOUR A FUCKING ANTI AMERICAN RUINING MY COUNTRY YOU FAGGOT BRAINWASHED FUCK

You joined the military because you dont have the brains for college, now you want respect? Respect for joining a pathetic fucking colt and walking around TURBANLAND with an M16 doing nothing? Killing innocents? Fuck you, respect is somebody like me in college making real money and providing to AMERICA. Im going to be helping america while making money and living my life, meanwhile your KILLING our fucking economy with your bullshit war and corrupting our society. Whos the real coward huh? Whos the anti american? You fucking pig.

BTW, im sick of you fucking nazi loving soldiers complaining about the war and how unappreciated you are...dont fucking SIGN up for something then complain about it K? You couldve done the smart thing and went to college but nooo you fucked up because your a braindead FUCKING moron.

WW1 vet: Hero
WW2 vet: Hero
Vietnam draftee: Hereo
War on Terror vet: Dumb fucking redneck piece of shit that deserves 0 respect


Fuck this site, fuck the faggot mods, fuck the brainwashed military fighting for nothing and fuck who ever died for this bullshit war. Good bye you fucking cumshitters.

people like youI want to blow up.

barry told you already, get the ban axe

just like last night you when you misjudged me....i did go to college. i also want to join the military . once again have fun getting a tan

[eastcoastS14]

^^ man are you serious? You make the rest of us liberals look fucking terrible....i think you need to go back to school and open a text book

now Im about as liberal as they come but I still respect and honor the troops....I have friends there by choice for various reasons and I tell them and others who came back and tell me stories that they have way bigger balls than I do, the troops deserve to be honored in any war because they are soldiers of our country risking their lives.....now no one is asking you do support the war, I am totally against this war, I want it over so my friends can come home safely as soon as possible. But you should at least show some respect for those fighting and dying. If you believe that US soldiers are all over there killing civilians and punching babies than youre nothing more than a conspiracy theorist. You feed into the extreme left bullshit just as much as people who think we should nuke everyone feed into the extreme right bullshit. You provide no factual evidence to back up any of your statement....seriously man have some heart, most soldiers over there are just 20year old kids who want to do a job and come home

and that hope you step on an IED comment was so fuckin far out of line its not even funny

[Diabolical]

Originally Posted by eastcoastS14

^^ man are you serious? You make the rest of us liberals look fucking terrible....i think you need to go back to school and open a text book

Hey fuckup, im an oldschool conservative, not some fucking fag loving white guilt liberal.

[eastcoastS14]

BTW I think I smell the ban axe ban hammer and banchete comin down hard all at once

[mrmephistopheles]

Originally Posted by Diabolical

THe war is UNCONSITITUITONAL, you probably dont even know what that means but here ill break it down for you.


*Naughty, not-nice words*

Why are people so hung up on the justification of the war?
I personally don't agree with the war, don't think we should've gone in, and think we should've gotten out LONG ago.

The previous thread wasn't about that, although people kept wanting it to be.

You complain about people being stupid and unable to attend college to enlist in the military, that's a complete fallacy and is held dear only by ignorant people who want to feel that people in the military are inferior to them.

I could've gone to college - pretty much any one that I chose.
I chose a different path instead.

As far as the rest of what you said....
Well, see my earlier post in this thread about people who resort to insults in an argument.

[Koopa Troopa]

Originally Posted by Diabolical

Yea? Well I hope you step on a fucking IED and die just like the rest of you loser soldiers. You arent fighting for freedom you cocksucking brainwashed terds, shut the fuck up. You dont get respect from americans, newsflash fucktard 80% of americans are against the war. Why dont you go suck george bushes dick because you basically are already doing that by fighting for an illegal war. THe war is UNCONSITITUITONAL, you probably dont even know what that means but here ill break it down for you.

Who gives a fuck what we're fighting for? I don't. I could give a fuck if we pull pull out of Iraq tomarrow and the country tears itself apart or if we stay here for another 200 years. Bored ass Americans with nothing else to do so you start picking at shit.

IT MEANS ITS GOING AGAINST WHAT AMERICA WAS BASED ON, AKA YOUR A FUCKING ANTI AMERICAN RUINING MY COUNTRY YOU FAGGOT BRAINWASHED FUCK

America was founded on pillaging villages and taking advantage of weaker cultures. What's changed? Nothing. Go read a history book jackass.

You joined the military because you dont have the brains for college, now you want respect? Respect for joining a pathetic fucking colt and walking around TURBANLAND with an M16 doing nothing? Killing innocents? Fuck you, respect is somebody like me in college making real money and providing to AMERICA. Im going to be helping america while making money and living my life, meanwhile your KILLING our fucking economy with your bullshit war and corrupting our society. Whos the real coward huh? Whos the anti american? You fucking pig.

I joined the military because it's a family thing. My choice and I'm glad I did. I've been to Thailand, Korea, Japan (mainland and Okinawa), Kuwait and Iraq. I might not have your fancy college education but at least I can use punctation and correct grammar when writing something. Oh yeah, I also know the difference between a colt and a cult. You might want to repeat a couple elementary grades.

The only thing corrupting society is jackasses like you. It's horrible to think the possibility of it happening but one day you're going to have kids then you're going to pollute your kid's minds with your ignorant thinking.

BTW, im sick of you fucking nazi loving soldiers complaining about the war and how unappreciated you are...dont fucking SIGN up for something then complain about it K? You couldve done the smart thing and went to college but nooo you fucked up because your a braindead FUCKING moron.

WW1 vet: Hero
WW2 vet: Hero
Vietnam draftee: Hereo
War on Terror vet: Dumb fucking redneck piece of shit that deserves 0 respect


Fuck this site, fuck the faggot mods, fuck the brainwashed military fighting for nothing and fuck who ever died for this bullshit war. Good bye you fucking cumshitters.

Once again, I might be a "braindead moron" but at least I am familiar with the concept of punctuation and basic grammatical skills. The concept might still be a Japanese thing though and has yet to hit American shores.. Look for the release this summer. I hear it's going to be bigger than PS3.

How is a Vietnam draftee a hero? Get the fuck outta here dude.

What has the military done for me? Oh yeah I've been living in Okinawa for the last 3 years and have at least 2 more to come, I drive a t04S powered Silvia that'll be boosting 1.5 bar when I come back to continue tuning it, I can read and write two different languages where as you can barely read and write your native language. Do they no longer teach English in college?

You might want to consider signing up for those next semester.

[unwed_transient]

Originally Posted by Diabolical

we need to deport nazis like you.

this doesn't bode well for you.