2008 Beijing Summer Olympics Thread

[Gnnr]

Originally Posted by revat619

Usain Bolt is on something....

I'm not hating cuz he's jamaican or whatever. i love track and field period, hell, i train for it. But you dont train for the 100m and 200m day in and day not and not pick up these sorts of things. I know juicing it when i see it....

Nahh, I don't think so. But you may know more than me, how do you figure?

[LeftNutOfGowd]

Here's his true identity

[revat619]

Originally Posted by Gnnr

Nahh, I don't think so. But you may know more than me, how do you figure?

Its his curve of progression from last year until now and his ease in doing it.

When you get to the collegiate level and beyond, you're no dropping your times by drastic amounts. You shaving only a couple tenths of a second at best. Which is why track is so grueling. You bust your ass for a whole year just hoping to run .2 seconds faster.

This dude has ran maybe a dozen professional 100m races EVER and out of nowhere he runs a 9.72 breaking the record earlier this year and then blazes a 9.69 the other day dicking around across the finish line. Umm yeah...



Lets talk about the 200. Last year at the World Championships in Osaka, Tyson Gay made him look like he was standing still at the top of the curve. Gay didnt even run his personal best of 19.68 (which was the 3rd fastest time ever until recently) that day. Gay won with a 19.76 and Bolt finished second with a 19.91. So you mean to tell me that Bolt comes back within a YEAR doesnt run a 19.8, a 19.6 or hell even a 19.5. He comes back and breaks a 12 year record by 2 100ths of second and runs 19.30.

And before anybody asks about him being tired or whatever last year, WRONG. You train to peak at finals/champion time, so he was at his best.

19.91 to 19.30 in a year without a performance enhancing substance?

[ESmorz]

There is always the possibility that he is just a freak...

Or maybe those Jamaican yams he's been eating are Jamaican him crazy.

[revat619]

perhaps....

but i strongly doubt it.

Either way, they keep your blood and urine samples for 8 years and with the tests getting more sophisticated literally by the month, we'll all know soon enough whether or not he's clean.

[Gnnr]

I get what you're saying, but I still think he's clean. I don't see Crawford or anyone doubting his times. I mean, the same thing can be said about Phelps....or hell any Olympic athlete of the past who won by longshots all the time and in world record time....its always going to raise skepticism. But isn't that what the Olympics is for? To find that human freak that can get seemingly impossible numbers.

[revat619]

of course they're not going to doubt him on world broadcast television, dude. Thats bad for publicity and it looks bad for the country making accusations.

My point is not that he got the times its when. Like i said, its his curve of progression that raises my suspicions. I'm not talking out of my ass dude. I run track and i train with and run against guys who went to the US trials.

Had Asafa Powell got the record (his teammate who had the record in the 100 before) it would have made sense. He would have had a whole string of races leading up to it, so it would make sense. Same with Phelps, we saw glimpses of his greatness early on. Lets not forget, Phelps won 6 (i think) golds in 2004. So him doing what he did this year, really wasnt a surprise. It was amazing no doubt, but you kinda knew he would do it.

Knowing what i know and seeing what i see at this level, Bolts numbers just dont add up.

[ESmorz]

Lance Armstrong and Usain Bolt are aliens.

[enkei2k]

Originally Posted by Gnnr

I get what you're saying, but I still think he's clean. I don't see Crawford or anyone doubting his times. I mean, the same thing can be said about Phelps....or hell any Olympic athlete of the past who won by longshots all the time and in world record time....its always going to raise skepticism. But isn't that what the Olympics is for? To find that human freak that can get seemingly impossible numbers.

i also thought that phelps was a juicer, but after having a talk with a co-worker, he said that phelps gives blood at the end of every day on his OWN WILL so people can test his blood for any drugs/etc...i'm still trying to find the source of this information and once i do i'll let you know...here's one for BOLT:

ESPN - First Phelps, then Bolt in Olympic greatness - Olympics

"...Bolt has been tested four times in the past few weeks, three of them blood tests, and come up clean. His coaches insist it's raw talent and hard work that makes him so fast, and we might just have to accept that he's a freak of nature..."

tested 4 times, 3 clean...what happened to the other one??

[VAs13]

Originally Posted by enkei2k

tested 4 times, 3 clean...what happened to the other one??

it said he was tested 3 times for blood, other might have been urine? idk

[Gnnr]

Originally Posted by revat619

My point is not that he got the times its when. Like i said, its his curve of progression that raises my suspicions.

Yeah, I get you. Well, if he where cheating, it wouldn't be long before we find out. The person in the spotlight gets looked at more closely, especially if they're placing gold and setting crazy records.

Until then, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and enjoy his freakishly fast races. I love his funny and playfull attitude. Haha. I totally understand your thinking though, revat.

Originally Posted by enkei2k

i also thought that phelps was a juicer, but after having a talk with a co-worker, he said that phelps gives blood at the end of every day on his OWN WILL so people can test his blood for any drugs/etc...i'm still trying to find the source of this information and once i do i'll let you know...here's one for BOLT:

ESPN - First Phelps, then Bolt in Olympic greatness - Olympics

"...Bolt has been tested four times in the past few weeks, three of them blood tests, and come up clean. His coaches insist it's raw talent and hard work that makes him so fast, and we might just have to accept that he's a freak of nature..."

tested 4 times, 3 clean...what happened to the other one??

Yeah, he was tested four times and he came up clean. Three of those tests where blood tests. You're confusing yourself, lol.

[kdashy]

USA 4x100 relay.

Oh my.

I feel sorry for Tyson Gay, what a disappointing Olympics for him.

[ryguy]

The Chinese gymnastics team might lose 2 gold medals because that girl is only 14. OH SNAP!
IOC orders investigation into He Kexin's age - Fourth-Place Medal - Olympics - Yahoo! Sports

[ALTRNTV]

What is going on with USA track and field?!
First the men drop the baton, then the women?!

Originally Posted by ryguy

The Chinese gymnastics team might lose 2 gold medals because that girl is only 14. OH SNAP!
IOC orders investigation into He Kexin's age - Fourth-Place Medal - Olympics - Yahoo! Sports

All the good work China did to put on these Olympics could be forgotten because of an unnecessary, arrogant move by the government. Why risk everything to put a 14-year old in the competition when they could have replaced her with an of-age 16-year old gymnast? Sure, He Kexin is a better gymnast than the Chinese gymnasts who were eligible to compete, but with the judges they had at the Olympics, would it really have mattered?

That comment is so true. I could have replaced her on the Chinese
team and China still would have gotten a gold.

[ryguy]

^Whoops, sorry I didnt see that was already posted. I looked back a few pages and must have skipped right over it. Hopefully those cheaters will get stripped of those golds. A 14 year old is naturally more limber than a 16 year old, they said on NBC that a 2 year difference is an incredible advantage.

[ALTRNTV]

Actually, I quoted that from your link. lol

From the opening ceremonies, lip-syncing, fake fireworks,
biased judges... to this. Wow. What a great government China
has.

[ryguy]

Originally Posted by AkademikONE

Actually, I quoted that from your link. lol

From the opening ceremonies, lip-syncing, fake fireworks,
biased judges... to this. Wow. What a great government China
has.

Speaking of the opening ceremony, have you heard the latest?
OLYMPIC PERFORMERS FACED SACRIFICE -- AND ADULT DIAPERS - New York Post

The students were kept on their feet for most of the 51-hour rehearsal with little food and rest and no shelter from the night's downpour, as the show's directors attempted to coordinate the 2,008-member performance with multimedia effects, students and their head coach told the AP.

[shade]

^ On page 10.

Your link is more in depth though.


Edit:
Nevermind its practically the same.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by kdashy

Yeah, even though im rooting for China in this, its easy to see the judging discrepancies.

Can I ask why? It interests me. As the way I see it China has been cheating and I see no reason for a rooting for a country that is willing to stoop as low as to cheat in these competitions and to fake things to look better.
It makes me wonder, what kind of person would root for or support that kind of thing.

[ALTRNTV]

Well, I know for sure he isn't Chinese, Ken, I'd also
like to know why you're rooting for them?

All hail the Commies!

[kdashy]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Can I ask why? It interests me. As the way I see it China has been cheating and I see no reason for a rooting for a country that is willing to stoop as low as to cheat in these competitions. It makes me wonder.

Because I'm ethnically Chinese (Haha sorry Akademik) and would like to see this Olympic games be successful for China.

As for the cheating, if you're referring to the questionable ages. I don't find it too hard to believe that out of a pool of a billion people, and training that starts at 3 years old is it to find the smallest, shortest, most athletic girls.

If it's found that He Kexin is indeed 14 or whatever that's claimed than of course those medals should be taken away but it seems like whatever will happen, people will still believe what they believe.

The very fact that people question why i'm rooting for a China and that I need to explain myself already says a lot. What is this, the 1920s?

With the attitudes of the some of the recent posts in this thread and the commentators and people like Chris Chase who wrote that article, as well as "the real Olympic medal count" makes me lose more faith in the U.S. than in China.

[Gnnr]

Redeem Team

[Xandy Boosts]

7:15 am tomorrow mornin for US vs GINOBILIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!

Pretty sure for us west coast guys, its at 7:15 and not tape delayed till 10 cuz it's not a weekend.

[KwKouki]

[Omarius Maximus]

Originally Posted by kdashy

Because I'm ethnically Chinese (Haha sorry Akademik) and would like to see this Olympic games be successful for China.

As for the cheating, if you're referring to the questionable ages. I don't find it too hard to believe that out of a pool of a billion people, and training that starts at 3 years old is it to find the smallest, shortest, most athletic girls.

If it's found that He Kexin is indeed 14 or whatever that's claimed than of course those medals should be taken away but it seems like whatever will happen, people will still believe what they believe.

The very fact that people question why i'm rooting for a China and that I need to explain myself already says a lot. What is this, the 1920s?

With the attitudes of the some of the recent posts in this thread and the commentators and people like Chris Chase who wrote that article, as well as "the real Olympic medal count" makes me lose more faith in the U.S. than in China.

There has got to be a reason why you, a Chinese person, is residing in the US. Perhaps you're a sadist? You left China's paradise for the shitty imperfect US of A? A place where we actually treat human life with some dignity...I can completely understand why you'd live here and root for them.

[kdashy]

Originally Posted by Omarius Maximus

There has got to be a reason why you, a Chinese person, is residing in the US. Perhaps you're a sadist? You left China's paradise for the shitty imperfect US of A? A place where we actually treat human life with some dignity...I can completely understand why you'd live here and root for them.

Because I was disappointed in some peoples attitude, that means I said China was a paradise, and that the US was shitty and imperfect?

So because I'm not rooting for the US as much as China (still hoping US wins events China isn't in/has no chance at) I shouldn't live in the country?

[articdragon192]

Originally Posted by Omarius Maximus

There has got to be a reason why you, a Chinese person, is residing in the US. Perhaps you're a sadist? You left China's paradise for the shitty imperfect US of A? A place where we actually treat human life with some dignity...I can completely understand why you'd live here and root for them.

Umm, what? Dude, deep down you can't help but root for your home team. You're making a lot of assumptions. Go Team USA! Volleyball rocking it!!!

[Gnnr]

Originally Posted by kdashy

USA 4x100 relay.

Oh my.

I feel sorry for Tyson Gay, what a disappointing Olympics for him.

Man, just watched the re-run. WTF is going on! Gay was such a favorite coming in, this really sucks....

[ALTRNTV]

Originally Posted by kdashy

Because I'm ethnically Chinese (Haha sorry Akademik) and would like to see this Olympic games be successful for China.

WTF. I thought you were Korean for some
reason. Sorry, hahaha.

[Gnnr]

And now I saw the Women's 4x100....pathetic!